Oil additives.... Boron, Teflon, Jay Leno
04-27-2015, 12:00 PM
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Maybe worry about this one, with the reduction of ZDDP (effective antiwear compound) in motor oils because of environmental issues, promotion of catalytic converter longevity, and the fact modern engines have roller camshaft tappets and do not need it.
Guess whose modern engine does not have roller camshaft tappets?
Guess whose modern engine does not have roller camshaft tappets?
The Porsche engines have multi-valves per cylinder and smaller valves and thus lower valve spring seat pressures.
ZDDP came into vogue some years ago as "cure" for cam lobe and tappet wear. The real cause of the wear turned out to be crappy cam and rocker arm/lifter bucket metallurgy. I installed an aftermarket cam (made overseas) in my Datsun 510 engine and followed all guidelines and still a lobe went flat. Before I could fix the car I sold it and the new owner replaced the aftermarket cam with a factory cam and continued to drive the car for years with no cam or other problems.
The biggest problems with these engines and their oil is the oil doesn't get changed often enough based on how the car is used.
The cars that get driven occasionally, get used for short trips, etc., these are the engines that need more frequent oil/filter services, and by my observation are the least likely to get them. Little "use" is translated into no "use" and thus no need for service, when the almost direct opposite is the case.
04-28-2015, 03:50 PM
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The video/ad had an odd effect on me. I didn't trust Archoil more, but I trusted Jay Leno less.
04-29-2015, 08:22 PM
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Why? Why? WHY???? Can't we get this in California? We're stuck with 91, 10% eth, and the dreaded "winter gas" which results in pitiful mileage and compromised performance. Oh well, at least our weather is pristine (82 on Monday, 68 yesterday, 72 today, 100% sunny).
05-01-2015, 09:49 AM
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+1 Agreed.... clever wording.
+1 agreed.... I'll watch the Jay Leno Garage differently after viewing the Archoil piece.....
Had the focus been on his staff's machine shop use of Archoil's "nano-paste" product tailored for engine rebuild assembly etc ... and not the widely DIY marketed engine oil & fuel additives.
Jay's Leno's mulligan ....
The Archoil 9200 additive is based on potassium borate, specifically a formulary of "boron-based-nanoparticles in an ester matrix. Around 2008 the firm DRD Additives LLC started marketing a boron-nanoparticles in a fatty acid ester carrier.
Short story even shorter .... A "nano" boron based additive's effectiveness is similarly position to that of ZDDP (zinc) which is to say very good, but no better. The "nano" marketing hook is a sharp one.....
My $.02 is the Archoil 9200 product is not snake oil per se .... although its use is likened to wearing two condoms. Mobil 1's V-twin 20w-50 product has raised zinc/ADDP levels. Time Honored.
Luv the Datsun 510 references. The six year used Burnt Orange colored '71 510 of mine had small dents in just about every panel, and looked the part of a new driver's car with its loaded ski rack heading on up to Killington, VT from NJ/NY. A true Gymkhana athlete the 510 sedan; 1.6 overhead cam, 4sp coupled to a IRS. Who remembers swapping '60's decade Ford Falcon 4 bolt 5.5" wide rims? Rummaging through junk yards... Freak'in memory lane ....
Hey,,,, hand me that can of STP. Its the "racers edge" you know.
Had the focus been on his staff's machine shop use of Archoil's "nano-paste" product tailored for engine rebuild assembly etc ... and not the widely DIY marketed engine oil & fuel additives.
Jay's Leno's mulligan ....
The Archoil 9200 additive is based on potassium borate, specifically a formulary of "boron-based-nanoparticles in an ester matrix. Around 2008 the firm DRD Additives LLC started marketing a boron-nanoparticles in a fatty acid ester carrier.
Short story even shorter .... A "nano" boron based additive's effectiveness is similarly position to that of ZDDP (zinc) which is to say very good, but no better. The "nano" marketing hook is a sharp one.....
My $.02 is the Archoil 9200 product is not snake oil per se .... although its use is likened to wearing two condoms. Mobil 1's V-twin 20w-50 product has raised zinc/ADDP levels. Time Honored.
Luv the Datsun 510 references. The six year used Burnt Orange colored '71 510 of mine had small dents in just about every panel, and looked the part of a new driver's car with its loaded ski rack heading on up to Killington, VT from NJ/NY. A true Gymkhana athlete the 510 sedan; 1.6 overhead cam, 4sp coupled to a IRS. Who remembers swapping '60's decade Ford Falcon 4 bolt 5.5" wide rims? Rummaging through junk yards... Freak'in memory lane ....
Hey,,,, hand me that can of STP. Its the "racers edge" you know.
05-01-2015, 02:43 PM
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So would Mobil 15W50 be the wrong way to go on my 993? This is what my indy has been using for me since I did not specify otherwise. I want to do what's best for this car and as a newbie gear head appreciate what I am learning here. What should I be asking for? Brad Penn 20/50 ? Something else?
05-01-2015, 06:12 PM
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So would Mobil 15W50 be the wrong way to go on my 993? This is what my indy has been using for me since I did not specify otherwise. I want to do what's best for this car and as a newbie gear head appreciate what I am learning here. What should I be asking for? Brad Penn 20/50 ? Something else?
Comes with a pic of your car too.
05-01-2015, 06:31 PM
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So would Mobil 15W50 be the wrong way to go on my 993? This is what my indy has been using for me since I did not specify otherwise. I want to do what's best for this car and as a newbie gear head appreciate what I am learning here. What should I be asking for? Brad Penn 20/50 ? Something else?
05-01-2015, 07:22 PM
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Cruel ... MF'er .. too funny.
Luxter - you're cruel, too funny. Yeah, isn't the Porsche snake oil in the $84 plus, plus dollars a quart shelf? I'm in the wrong business .... snake oil for everyone!
Paolo1 -
The current Mobil 1 15w-50 formulation has a zinc additive level which isn't as high as some would like; it's fine is my $.02. Some say this zinc level issue is splitting hairs. Quality M1/V-t, Motul, Brad Penn oil and varoom....
The Mobil 1, V-twin 20w-50 formula is widely available at auto part retailers for about $10 to $12. USD.
Paolo1 -
The current Mobil 1 15w-50 formulation has a zinc additive level which isn't as high as some would like; it's fine is my $.02. Some say this zinc level issue is splitting hairs. Quality M1/V-t, Motul, Brad Penn oil and varoom....
The Mobil 1, V-twin 20w-50 formula is widely available at auto part retailers for about $10 to $12. USD.
05-01-2015, 09:41 PM
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I was hoping that someone will explain to me in plain language why 0w-40 was a perfect viscosity for 3.6L, 964 and 993 until March 31, 2014 (according to Porsche). And as of April 1 the viscosity for the very same engines went up form 40 to 60.
I would also like to have someone explain why internally nearly identical to 993 engines for 996 turbo and 997 turbo and GT3 require 40 viscosity A40 lubricants.
Anybody?
05-01-2015, 10:22 PM
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I was hoping that someone will explain to me in plain language why 0w-40 was a perfect viscosity for 3.6L, 964 and 993 until March 31, 2014 (according to Porsche). And as of April 1 the viscosity for the very same engines went up form 40 to 60.
I would also like to have someone explain why internally nearly identical to 993 engines for 996 turbo and 997 turbo and GT3 require 40 viscosity A40 lubricants.
Anybody?
I would also like to have someone explain why internally nearly identical to 993 engines for 996 turbo and 997 turbo and GT3 require 40 viscosity A40 lubricants.
Anybody?
When 4 years after they recommend my Boxster filled with zero weight from 20 weight (IIRC), I was terrified to not follow orders. Very scary to ask that stuff.
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10-08-2022, 01:29 PM
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Bottom line oil Co are here to make money ,you think they are giving you the best?
IMO with the millions of dollars oil companies spend on R&D I would be sceptic why they don't sell it themselves or include it in their high grade oils. Therefore I am extremely sceptic to this.
I guess the additives could even have a negative effect depending on the chemistry of the oil you use it with.
I guess the additives could even have a negative effect depending on the chemistry of the oil you use it with.
10-08-2022, 05:32 PM
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