Upgrading your Porsche 997.1 to the 997.2 LED look
12-24-2014, 08:29 PM
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sorry brother i dont as my car is NB.
if you compare profile pictures of 997.2 nb vs wb you cant miss it. its basically 2 black plastic pieces underneath the bumper to protect from stone chips (my guess from the bumper being wider)
if you compare profile pictures of 997.2 nb vs wb you cant miss it. its basically 2 black plastic pieces underneath the bumper to protect from stone chips (my guess from the bumper being wider)
06-15-2015, 05:30 PM
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i have to buy a rear bumper narrow body ?
Cause i don't want the wide body cause my car is a Porsche 997.1 Carrera S and non turbo.
i have to buy a new bumper narrow body + 2 new tail lights + rear module unit and swap the brackets sensors from the old bumper to the new bumper cause the parking sensors are not the same on 997.2.
then i would have to programm the rear control unit with piwis i think.
thks for all your replies
regards
Cause i don't want the wide body cause my car is a Porsche 997.1 Carrera S and non turbo.
i have to buy a new bumper narrow body + 2 new tail lights + rear module unit and swap the brackets sensors from the old bumper to the new bumper cause the parking sensors are not the same on 997.2.
then i would have to programm the rear control unit with piwis i think.
thks for all your replies
regards
06-15-2015, 08:30 PM
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yes - NARROW body bumper + swap parking sensor brackets from 997.1
- bumperettes + exhaust trim (although if you are in europe i don't think you guys need bumperettes). show me a photo of your current bumper and i will let you know if you need.
- new taillights
- new rear control module + PIWIS programming or durmetric pro
- all other parts you can reuse current and/or modify existing parts.
if you need i have part numbers for evertything.
- bumperettes + exhaust trim (although if you are in europe i don't think you guys need bumperettes). show me a photo of your current bumper and i will let you know if you need.
- new taillights
- new rear control module + PIWIS programming or durmetric pro
- all other parts you can reuse current and/or modify existing parts.
if you need i have part numbers for evertything.
i have to buy a rear bumper narrow body ?
Cause i don't want the wide body cause my car is a Porsche 997.1 Carrera S and non turbo.
i have to buy a new bumper narrow body + 2 new tail lights + rear module unit and swap the brackets sensors from the old bumper to the new bumper cause the parking sensors are not the same on 997.2.
then i would have to programm the rear control unit with piwis i think.
thks for all your replies
regards
Cause i don't want the wide body cause my car is a Porsche 997.1 Carrera S and non turbo.
i have to buy a new bumper narrow body + 2 new tail lights + rear module unit and swap the brackets sensors from the old bumper to the new bumper cause the parking sensors are not the same on 997.2.
then i would have to programm the rear control unit with piwis i think.
thks for all your replies
regards
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06-16-2015, 01:42 AM
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Thks for your help Myw
i don't need bumperettes
but why i need exhaust trim ?
to swap parking sensor bracket from the 997.1 to the new bumper , i have to paste them directly on the new bumper ?
you have rear bumper , rear control unit and new tailights for my car ?
the rear bumper narrow body is for carrera and carrera s only ?
rear bumper wide body is for turbo only ?
for the piwis programming how can i do ( i have to go to my dealer or can i do it with diag tools at home ?)
thks
i don't need bumperettes
but why i need exhaust trim ?
to swap parking sensor bracket from the 997.1 to the new bumper , i have to paste them directly on the new bumper ?
you have rear bumper , rear control unit and new tailights for my car ?
the rear bumper narrow body is for carrera and carrera s only ?
rear bumper wide body is for turbo only ?
for the piwis programming how can i do ( i have to go to my dealer or can i do it with diag tools at home ?)
thks
06-17-2015, 07:01 PM
#20
Nordschleife Master
the exhaust trim are the 2 black pieces that you can see on the 997.2 rear bumpers that surround the exhaust tips. i am assuming it protects the bumper from the heat o the exhaust/exaust fumes. you WILL need these.
yes - you will need to unglue the 997.1 parking sensor brackets and glue/epoxy them to the 997.2 bumper (and use your existing 997.1 parking sensors… 997.2 parking sensors will not work)
no - I DO NOT have the parts for your car, but in case you are searching for the parts i have the part numbers for you.
yes - rear bumper narrow body is for carrera and carrera s only and rear bumper wide body is for carerra 4, career 4s, gts, and turbo only.
normally dealer has a piwis II scanner, but some independent shops may have it. an AUTOLOGIC scanner may also work as well (i will try this so that people with access to an auto logic scanner will know). piwis II (and maybe auto logic scanner) can INITIALIZE your rear module (i believe it has to set the 'production number' of your rear module to match all your other modules so that they can all communicate properly with one another). the durametric PRO cable CANNOT initialize the new rear module correctly (but can still make the coding changes… so if your car is a 2008 (manufacture date in 2008, not 2007) you may already has the newer rear module (997.618.260.08)…. all you would need is a durametric pro cable to make the single coding change to your rear module). if you have an older 997.1 and need to replace the rear module, you will need PIWIS II (or maybe auto logic scanner) to INITIALIZE the new rear module AND make the coding changes.
hope this makes sense and helps
if you need any more help let me know, i will have my rear end installed shortly; just waiting for my body shop to have the time to fit an appointment in.
yes - you will need to unglue the 997.1 parking sensor brackets and glue/epoxy them to the 997.2 bumper (and use your existing 997.1 parking sensors… 997.2 parking sensors will not work)
no - I DO NOT have the parts for your car, but in case you are searching for the parts i have the part numbers for you.
yes - rear bumper narrow body is for carrera and carrera s only and rear bumper wide body is for carerra 4, career 4s, gts, and turbo only.
normally dealer has a piwis II scanner, but some independent shops may have it. an AUTOLOGIC scanner may also work as well (i will try this so that people with access to an auto logic scanner will know). piwis II (and maybe auto logic scanner) can INITIALIZE your rear module (i believe it has to set the 'production number' of your rear module to match all your other modules so that they can all communicate properly with one another). the durametric PRO cable CANNOT initialize the new rear module correctly (but can still make the coding changes… so if your car is a 2008 (manufacture date in 2008, not 2007) you may already has the newer rear module (997.618.260.08)…. all you would need is a durametric pro cable to make the single coding change to your rear module). if you have an older 997.1 and need to replace the rear module, you will need PIWIS II (or maybe auto logic scanner) to INITIALIZE the new rear module AND make the coding changes.
hope this makes sense and helps
if you need any more help let me know, i will have my rear end installed shortly; just waiting for my body shop to have the time to fit an appointment in.
Thks for your help Myw
i don't need bumperettes
but why i need exhaust trim ?
to swap parking sensor bracket from the 997.1 to the new bumper , i have to paste them directly on the new bumper ?
you have rear bumper , rear control unit and new tailights for my car ?
the rear bumper narrow body is for carrera and carrera s only ?
rear bumper wide body is for turbo only ?
for the piwis programming how can i do ( i have to go to my dealer or can i do it with diag tools at home ?)
thks
i don't need bumperettes
but why i need exhaust trim ?
to swap parking sensor bracket from the 997.1 to the new bumper , i have to paste them directly on the new bumper ?
you have rear bumper , rear control unit and new tailights for my car ?
the rear bumper narrow body is for carrera and carrera s only ?
rear bumper wide body is for turbo only ?
for the piwis programming how can i do ( i have to go to my dealer or can i do it with diag tools at home ?)
thks
06-18-2015, 12:45 AM
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ok thks for your help very aprreciated your message , thks again
my car first registration is : may 2005.
i will need :
1 rear bumper Nbody
1 rear light module
2 new tail lights
2 exhaust trim to protect bumper from heat
i think its all
how to unglue the old parking sensors brackets ? ( cause don't want break any brackets)
then i have to buy epoxy to glue them on the new bumper
and to replace the old with the new rear module its easy just unplug and plug the new one ?
( i have to remove the front seat i think ) ?
thks so much
my car first registration is : may 2005.
i will need :
1 rear bumper Nbody
1 rear light module
2 new tail lights
2 exhaust trim to protect bumper from heat
i think its all
how to unglue the old parking sensors brackets ? ( cause don't want break any brackets)
then i have to buy epoxy to glue them on the new bumper
and to replace the old with the new rear module its easy just unplug and plug the new one ?
( i have to remove the front seat i think ) ?
thks so much
06-18-2015, 12:01 PM
#22
Nordschleife Master
yes your parts list is correct. the other stuff you can reuse/modify existing factory stuff.
to unglue the parking sensors i am not sure ; you will have to do a search as my car did not have parking sensors. i am sure it was done on this car.
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/9...-my-turbo.html
*ignore all the stuff re pin swapping and the different module numbers as the turbo runs a different front controller then the carerras*
YES - e12 torx adapter to remove 4 seat bolts (i would advise you to soak the the bolts beforehand using wd40 specialist or some other lubricant and AVOID using a universal adapter… use an e12 adapter that fits all the way in between the seat rails). your car is 10 years old and the seat bolts are torqued TIGHT (like mine)…. i ended up partially strippign one of my seat bolts and it was a annoying to remove.
after removing the seat tilt it back and u have a set of pliers ready to squeeze the lock tab for the plastic cover bracket that holes the rear module into car body. there are 2 tabs closer to the back seats of the car(took me 15 minutes to figure out how to remove the cover).
from there plug and play the new module and initialize + code. i would advise you to take photos of your old rear control module settings so you can easily manually recode the new one; there are 15-20 settings max so its very easy. the only reason you need the new module is for the final coding setting 'TAIL LIGHTS - LED MODE'. in your old module there is the TAILLGIHTS setting… but no option can be selected for it.
i will try to create a definitive 997.2 exterior conversion thread for the non-turbos when its all said and done.
hope this helps.
to unglue the parking sensors i am not sure ; you will have to do a search as my car did not have parking sensors. i am sure it was done on this car.
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/9...-my-turbo.html
*ignore all the stuff re pin swapping and the different module numbers as the turbo runs a different front controller then the carerras*
YES - e12 torx adapter to remove 4 seat bolts (i would advise you to soak the the bolts beforehand using wd40 specialist or some other lubricant and AVOID using a universal adapter… use an e12 adapter that fits all the way in between the seat rails). your car is 10 years old and the seat bolts are torqued TIGHT (like mine)…. i ended up partially strippign one of my seat bolts and it was a annoying to remove.
after removing the seat tilt it back and u have a set of pliers ready to squeeze the lock tab for the plastic cover bracket that holes the rear module into car body. there are 2 tabs closer to the back seats of the car(took me 15 minutes to figure out how to remove the cover).
from there plug and play the new module and initialize + code. i would advise you to take photos of your old rear control module settings so you can easily manually recode the new one; there are 15-20 settings max so its very easy. the only reason you need the new module is for the final coding setting 'TAIL LIGHTS - LED MODE'. in your old module there is the TAILLGIHTS setting… but no option can be selected for it.
i will try to create a definitive 997.2 exterior conversion thread for the non-turbos when its all said and done.
hope this helps.
ok thks for your help very aprreciated your message , thks again
my car first registration is : may 2005.
i will need :
1 rear bumper Nbody
1 rear light module
2 new tail lights
2 exhaust trim to protect bumper from heat
i think its all
how to unglue the old parking sensors brackets ? ( cause don't want break any brackets)
then i have to buy epoxy to glue them on the new bumper
and to replace the old with the new rear module its easy just unplug and plug the new one ?
( i have to remove the front seat i think ) ?
thks so much
my car first registration is : may 2005.
i will need :
1 rear bumper Nbody
1 rear light module
2 new tail lights
2 exhaust trim to protect bumper from heat
i think its all
how to unglue the old parking sensors brackets ? ( cause don't want break any brackets)
then i have to buy epoxy to glue them on the new bumper
and to replace the old with the new rear module its easy just unplug and plug the new one ?
( i have to remove the front seat i think ) ?
thks so much
06-19-2015, 05:00 PM
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Keep in mind that any LED conversion for a 997.1 car will be done with non-OEM parts. Thus, their reliability will be less. No one builds anything well that is not to Porsche standards. If you go that route, plan on periodic replacement of those parts. Incandescent light bulbs will wind up less expensive over the long haul.
06-21-2015, 02:22 AM
#24
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Keep in mind that any LED conversion for a 997.1 car will be done with non-OEM parts. Thus, their reliability will be less. No one builds anything well that is not to Porsche standards. If you go that route, plan on periodic replacement of those parts. Incandescent light bulbs will wind up less expensive over the long haul.
06-21-2015, 03:39 AM
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For those of you who wish to update their 997.1 cars to the 997.2 look by purchasing 997.2 rear and front valences--then you can stick to OEM light fixtures. For those who take the usual shortcut--caviate emptor.
06-28-2015, 03:31 AM
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all done 
oem goodness!
to better preserve the tails (i hope) i had the taillights 3M'd with some leftover 3M i had.
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oem goodness!to better preserve the tails (i hope) i had the taillights 3M'd with some leftover 3M i had.
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07-31-2015, 12:27 AM
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I think it is lame to convert lights and bumpers to 997.2 and I don't think it's worth the trouble.
Further to all this, I prefer the look of the 997.1 lights better anyway. It's the last 911 with old school lamps that give it a different charm. Also one of the few 4S models with no light bar across the rear. The LEDs on the front of the 997.1 Turbo bother me and seem out of place.
What I did is replaced front and rear amber bulbs with led bulbs to get the more noticeable blinking. Actually I used red in the rear signals.
Further to all this, I prefer the look of the 997.1 lights better anyway. It's the last 911 with old school lamps that give it a different charm. Also one of the few 4S models with no light bar across the rear. The LEDs on the front of the 997.1 Turbo bother me and seem out of place.
What I did is replaced front and rear amber bulbs with led bulbs to get the more noticeable blinking. Actually I used red in the rear signals.