Anyone else considering a 991 GTS?
#17
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Seems like I read an article that said the 991 GTS was actually LESS than a similarly equipped C2S?? That's probably before you get into all the "wants".
I agree about the 997S being a keeper. I absolutely love my 09, bought it a little over a year ago with 12k miles, pristine condition for $61,900 and a 2 year CPO remaining. I've had the same conversation with buddys, just not sure I could part with it for what I have in it and the condition of the car. Most of the cars I've dreampt of since I've had this car are all completely out of site unless making a money play on one (GT3 RS and Ford GT)...which would require still having a car like mine as a "regular" fun car to actually put some miles on, as both those cars are too valuable to risk for mere financial mortals. Still haven't driven a 991 so not sure what if anything I'm missing.
I agree about the 997S being a keeper. I absolutely love my 09, bought it a little over a year ago with 12k miles, pristine condition for $61,900 and a 2 year CPO remaining. I've had the same conversation with buddys, just not sure I could part with it for what I have in it and the condition of the car. Most of the cars I've dreampt of since I've had this car are all completely out of site unless making a money play on one (GT3 RS and Ford GT)...which would require still having a car like mine as a "regular" fun car to actually put some miles on, as both those cars are too valuable to risk for mere financial mortals. Still haven't driven a 991 so not sure what if anything I'm missing.
#18
Seems like I read an article that said the 991 GTS was actually LESS than a similarly equipped C2S?? That's probably before you get into all the "wants".
I agree about the 997S being a keeper. I absolutely love my 09, bought it a little over a year ago with 12k miles, pristine condition for $61,900 and a 2 year CPO remaining. I've had the same conversation with buddys, just not sure I could part with it for what I have in it and the condition of the car. Most of the cars I've dreampt of since I've had this car are all completely out of site unless making a money play on one (GT3 RS and Ford GT)...which would require still having a car like mine as a "regular" fun car to actually put some miles on, as both those cars are too valuable to risk for mere financial mortals. Still haven't driven a 991 so not sure what if anything I'm missing.
I agree about the 997S being a keeper. I absolutely love my 09, bought it a little over a year ago with 12k miles, pristine condition for $61,900 and a 2 year CPO remaining. I've had the same conversation with buddys, just not sure I could part with it for what I have in it and the condition of the car. Most of the cars I've dreampt of since I've had this car are all completely out of site unless making a money play on one (GT3 RS and Ford GT)...which would require still having a car like mine as a "regular" fun car to actually put some miles on, as both those cars are too valuable to risk for mere financial mortals. Still haven't driven a 991 so not sure what if anything I'm missing.
#19
Three Wheelin'
The only comment I can make to the OP is that if you have your sights set on a 991 GTS scour all resources for reviews (and opt out of the CL wheels if you can - they look cool but few shops have the tools and knowledge to remove/mount them so you'll be chained to the dealer). My point here, by example, is that for the 997 GTS sport PASM was offered, as carry-over from the C2S line but, according to various reviews, it did not really add to the handling ability. So, some of the options you may be interested in, and I say MAY because I have no facts, could actually make your 991 GTS more like a C2S and thus less unique.
#20
When I compared the GTS to the C2S and priced out some option scenarios. The main differences are the complimentary options and wide body available on the GTS. In addition you get an extra 24.5 hp increase but no torque gain and a .01 tenth difference in 0-60. Not much of a performance difference on paper. The extra hp I don't think you feel until the higher RPMs and even then probably not much of a kick.
GT3 would have been a serious consideration if it had a back seat. No backseat on a DD is a deal breaker for me.
GT3 would have been a serious consideration if it had a back seat. No backseat on a DD is a deal breaker for me.
#21
I hope you guys are right that the 997 will become the next 993! I certainly much prefer the rawness on my '12 over the 991. 991s are fantastic but they feel too compliant and thus less involving. I find my .2 much more rewarding to drive. Besides, really didn't care for the 7sp.
I'm going to keep my .2 for many years and possibly see what the next gen (992??) have to offer.
I'm going to keep my .2 for many years and possibly see what the next gen (992??) have to offer.
#22
Burning Brakes
My next 911 after a few years driving the car in my avatar will be a 997 GTS, then I will be finished buying Porsche's unless its something like a Cayenne.
#23
I'm facing the same conundrum: I have a 991 GTS on order, as optioned for $122k, due to be delivered in January. I just found a 2006 997S with VERY low miles for around $55k. I feel like the 991 GTS is 100% of what I want but the 997S gets me 90%+ of the way there. I think my only concern on the 997S is it's an 8 year old car and a lot of the creature comforts (bluetooth, touch screen, sat radio etc.) that I've become accustomed to in other cars, won't be there. Of course, it does have a sport exhaust, so who needs sat radio! Really torn.
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I'm facing the same conundrum: I have a 991 GTS on order, as optioned for $122k, due to be delivered in January. I just found a 2006 997S with VERY low miles for around $55k. I feel like the 991 GTS is 100% of what I want but the 997S gets me 90%+ of the way there. I think my only concern on the 997S is it's an 8 year old car and a lot of the creature comforts (bluetooth, touch screen, sat radio etc.) that I've become accustomed to in other cars, won't be there. Of course, it does have a sport exhaust, so who needs sat radio! Really torn.
#25
Drifting
Coming from the 997 to the 991, I can't disagree with anyone that says that the 997 is more "raw" or communicates better, certainly can't argue about the hydraulic steering (although Porsche did a great job with the electronic version) but there is a lot of new technology and engineering in the 991. It's also more comfortable, a bit quieter and has a different interior (personal choice as to which one you prefer).
You can't buy a car just for resale, because you'll never get your money out of it. If you bought a 993 C2S new and didn't put a lot of miles on it, you could probably sell it today for more than you paid for it. But why bother? A car is to drive and to enjoy. If you want an investment, buy AAPL.
IMHO the GTS is only a bargain if you were planning to buy the X51 kit anyway and you like all of that other crap. Otherwise, smart money orders a nice C2S or C4S with the options that you want in the colors that you want.
It does look like the manual transmission is on its way out, but I don't think it will be any time soon. Maybe in the USA it's a 30/70 split on manual/PDK, but in the rest of the world it's likely 70/30. And that 30% still counts for something in their largest market.
You can't buy a car just for resale, because you'll never get your money out of it. If you bought a 993 C2S new and didn't put a lot of miles on it, you could probably sell it today for more than you paid for it. But why bother? A car is to drive and to enjoy. If you want an investment, buy AAPL.
IMHO the GTS is only a bargain if you were planning to buy the X51 kit anyway and you like all of that other crap. Otherwise, smart money orders a nice C2S or C4S with the options that you want in the colors that you want.
It does look like the manual transmission is on its way out, but I don't think it will be any time soon. Maybe in the USA it's a 30/70 split on manual/PDK, but in the rest of the world it's likely 70/30. And that 30% still counts for something in their largest market.
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#28
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Coming from the 997 to the 991, I can't disagree with anyone that says that the 997 is more "raw" or communicates better, certainly can't argue about the hydraulic steering (although Porsche did a great job with the electronic version) but there is a lot of new technology and engineering in the 991. It's also more comfortable, a bit quieter and has a different interior (personal choice as to which one you prefer).
You can't buy a car just for resale, because you'll never get your money out of it. If you bought a 993 C2S new and didn't put a lot of miles on it, you could probably sell it today for more than you paid for it. But why bother? A car is to drive and to enjoy. If you want an investment, buy AAPL.
IMHO the GTS is only a bargain if you were planning to buy the X51 kit anyway and you like all of that other crap. Otherwise, smart money orders a nice C2S or C4S with the options that you want in the colors that you want.
It does look like the manual transmission is on its way out, but I don't think it will be any time soon. Maybe in the USA it's a 30/70 split on manual/PDK, but in the rest of the world it's likely 70/30. And that 30% still counts for something in their largest market.
You can't buy a car just for resale, because you'll never get your money out of it. If you bought a 993 C2S new and didn't put a lot of miles on it, you could probably sell it today for more than you paid for it. But why bother? A car is to drive and to enjoy. If you want an investment, buy AAPL.
IMHO the GTS is only a bargain if you were planning to buy the X51 kit anyway and you like all of that other crap. Otherwise, smart money orders a nice C2S or C4S with the options that you want in the colors that you want.
It does look like the manual transmission is on its way out, but I don't think it will be any time soon. Maybe in the USA it's a 30/70 split on manual/PDK, but in the rest of the world it's likely 70/30. And that 30% still counts for something in their largest market.
#29
I'm facing the same conundrum: I have a 991 GTS on order, as optioned for $122k, due to be delivered in January. I just found a 2006 997S with VERY low miles for around $55k. I feel like the 991 GTS is 100% of what I want but the 997S gets me 90%+ of the way there. I think my only concern on the 997S is it's an 8 year old car and a lot of the creature comforts (bluetooth, touch screen, sat radio etc.) that I've become accustomed to in other cars, won't be there. Of course, it does have a sport exhaust, so who needs sat radio! Really torn.