Did you buy new or used?
09-23-2014, 03:18 PM
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!!Bruce Anderson always said it best when asked this question: "Buy the newest model Porsche you can afford."
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09-23-2014, 03:51 PM
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Bought used CPO. It's simple for me, I cannot afford to buy new due to the $30k depreciation within a couple of years. I guess $30k means a lot to me in my current situation.
When I'm affluent enough that buying a brand new Porsche ($100k) feels like buying a brand new HDTV ($2-3k) now, then I would probably buy new. I just don't see that happening within the next 5-10 years.....
When I'm affluent enough that buying a brand new Porsche ($100k) feels like buying a brand new HDTV ($2-3k) now, then I would probably buy new. I just don't see that happening within the next 5-10 years.....
09-23-2014, 04:35 PM
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I was originally looking for a 993 but the ones I liked were running for about $50K with about 35K miles. I found a 2008 C2S at a new car dealer in 2009 when the 2010 models were soon to come out. It had 60 miles on it and I got it for $73K ( about $22K off list).....very happy with it!
09-23-2014, 04:48 PM
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I was originally looking for a 993 but the ones I liked were running for about $50K with about 35K miles. I found a 2008 C2S at a new car dealer in 2009 when the 2010 models were soon to come out. It had 60 miles on it and I got it for $73K ( about $22K off list).....very happy with it!
09-23-2014, 04:52 PM
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I am probably an outlier in the data thus far. I've been driving Porsche's since the late 1970s. It wasn't always as easy as it is today to shop for used Porsche's. I live in an area of sparse Porsche population when compared to places like SoCal. My history has been
2012 GTS Platinum Silver NEW
2003 TT Guards Red NEW
1997 993 C4S Arena Red NEW
1993 964 C2 Polar Silver - NEW
1987 944T Madeira Red - NEW
1984 944 Deep Brown Metallic - NEW
1975 914 1.8 Ice Box White - USED
I've usually kept my Porsche's 6 years, so the depreciation was over a longer period of time. Three of the cars were purchased on European Delivery.
There's no stigma to buying New or Used. They're all Porsche's and it's all good.
2012 GTS Platinum Silver NEW
2003 TT Guards Red NEW
1997 993 C4S Arena Red NEW
1993 964 C2 Polar Silver - NEW
1987 944T Madeira Red - NEW
1984 944 Deep Brown Metallic - NEW
1975 914 1.8 Ice Box White - USED
I've usually kept my Porsche's 6 years, so the depreciation was over a longer period of time. Three of the cars were purchased on European Delivery.
There's no stigma to buying New or Used. They're all Porsche's and it's all good.
09-23-2014, 04:54 PM
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I am probably an outlier in the data thus far. I've been driving Porsche's since the late 1970s. It wasn't always as easy as it is today to shop for used Porsche's. I live in an area of sparse Porsche population when compared to places like SoCal. My history has been
2012 GTS Platinum Silver NEW
2003 TT Guards Red NEW
1997 993 C4S Arena Red NEW
1993 964 C2 Polar Silver - NEW
1987 944T Madeira Red - NEW
1984 944 Deep Brown Metallic - NEW
1975 914 1.8 Ice Box White - USED
I've usually kept my Porsche's 6 years, so the depreciation was over a longer period of time. Three of the cars were purchased on European Delivery.
There's no stigma to buying New or Used. They're all Porsche's and it's all good.
2012 GTS Platinum Silver NEW
2003 TT Guards Red NEW
1997 993 C4S Arena Red NEW
1993 964 C2 Polar Silver - NEW
1987 944T Madeira Red - NEW
1984 944 Deep Brown Metallic - NEW
1975 914 1.8 Ice Box White - USED
I've usually kept my Porsche's 6 years, so the depreciation was over a longer period of time. Three of the cars were purchased on European Delivery.
There's no stigma to buying New or Used. They're all Porsche's and it's all good.
I agree. 
09-23-2014, 04:56 PM
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Did you read my message? Can't tell if you're serious from your response (assuming you read my message).
To clarify further, I was saying you canNOT assume that buyers who purchase NEW are not enthusiasts. Many (perhaps most) are. What can be inferred from people buying used cars substantially above the price of many other brand-name NEW cars, is that used buyers are disproportionately enthusiasts.
It is almost certainly the case that used Porsche 997 buyers will be more skewed towards enthusiasts vs. new car buyers. I'm not sure what is particularly presumptuous about that analysis. I provided my reasoning and I suspect that the statistics would bear it out.
To further illustrate, do you think Lindsay Lohan, Kim Kardashian (insert celebrity name here), bought new Porsches? Likely, right? Do you think they would go out and seek out a used 997? Unlikely, no? I'm just giving examples and maybe they are enthusiasts.... Do you now think a celebrity that is an enthusiast (think Seinfeld, Leno, Letterman) could potentially buy a used Porsche 997 (based on limited edition, specific options, etc.) I think the answer is yes.
My point is just the pool of used buyers for these cars, which are still pricey used, is automatically narrower than the new buyer pool (adjusting for income/budgets). Therefore that (HUGE??) presumption I made that % of used buyers that are enthusiasts > % of new buyers that are enthusiasts looks pretty reasonable.
Maybe I'm being too technical and you saw red when I made this comparison. I was disagreeing with the harsher assumption that the OP made earlier.
Hopefully this clears things up a bit...
To clarify further, I was saying you canNOT assume that buyers who purchase NEW are not enthusiasts. Many (perhaps most) are. What can be inferred from people buying used cars substantially above the price of many other brand-name NEW cars, is that used buyers are disproportionately enthusiasts.
It is almost certainly the case that used Porsche 997 buyers will be more skewed towards enthusiasts vs. new car buyers. I'm not sure what is particularly presumptuous about that analysis. I provided my reasoning and I suspect that the statistics would bear it out.
To further illustrate, do you think Lindsay Lohan, Kim Kardashian (insert celebrity name here), bought new Porsches? Likely, right? Do you think they would go out and seek out a used 997? Unlikely, no? I'm just giving examples and maybe they are enthusiasts.... Do you now think a celebrity that is an enthusiast (think Seinfeld, Leno, Letterman) could potentially buy a used Porsche 997 (based on limited edition, specific options, etc.) I think the answer is yes.
My point is just the pool of used buyers for these cars, which are still pricey used, is automatically narrower than the new buyer pool (adjusting for income/budgets). Therefore that (HUGE??) presumption I made that % of used buyers that are enthusiasts > % of new buyers that are enthusiasts looks pretty reasonable.
Maybe I'm being too technical and you saw red when I made this comparison. I was disagreeing with the harsher assumption that the OP made earlier.
Hopefully this clears things up a bit...
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09-23-2014, 05:48 PM
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Did you read my message? Can't tell if you're serious from your response (assuming you read my message).
To clarify further, I was saying you canNOT assume that buyers who purchase NEW are not enthusiasts. Many (perhaps most) are. What can be inferred from people buying used cars substantially above the price of many other brand-name NEW cars, is that used buyers are disproportionately enthusiasts.
It is almost certainly the case that used Porsche 997 buyers will be more skewed towards enthusiasts vs. new car buyers. I'm not sure what is particularly presumptuous about that analysis. I provided my reasoning and I suspect that the statistics would bear it out.
To further illustrate, do you think Lindsay Lohan, Kim Kardashian (insert celebrity name here), bought new Porsches? Likely, right? Do you think they would go out and seek out a used 997? Unlikely, no? I'm just giving examples and maybe they are enthusiasts.... Do you now think a celebrity that is an enthusiast (think Seinfeld, Leno, Letterman) could potentially buy a used Porsche 997 (based on limited edition, specific options, etc.) I think the answer is yes.
My point is just the pool of used buyers for these cars, which are still pricey used, is automatically narrower than the new buyer pool (adjusting for income/budgets). Therefore that (HUGE??) presumption I made that % of used buyers that are enthusiasts > % of new buyers that are enthusiasts looks pretty reasonable.
Maybe I'm being too technical and you saw red when I made this comparison. I was disagreeing with the harsher assumption that the OP made earlier.
Hopefully this clears things up a bit...
To clarify further, I was saying you canNOT assume that buyers who purchase NEW are not enthusiasts. Many (perhaps most) are. What can be inferred from people buying used cars substantially above the price of many other brand-name NEW cars, is that used buyers are disproportionately enthusiasts.
It is almost certainly the case that used Porsche 997 buyers will be more skewed towards enthusiasts vs. new car buyers. I'm not sure what is particularly presumptuous about that analysis. I provided my reasoning and I suspect that the statistics would bear it out.
To further illustrate, do you think Lindsay Lohan, Kim Kardashian (insert celebrity name here), bought new Porsches? Likely, right? Do you think they would go out and seek out a used 997? Unlikely, no? I'm just giving examples and maybe they are enthusiasts.... Do you now think a celebrity that is an enthusiast (think Seinfeld, Leno, Letterman) could potentially buy a used Porsche 997 (based on limited edition, specific options, etc.) I think the answer is yes.
My point is just the pool of used buyers for these cars, which are still pricey used, is automatically narrower than the new buyer pool (adjusting for income/budgets). Therefore that (HUGE??) presumption I made that % of used buyers that are enthusiasts > % of new buyers that are enthusiasts looks pretty reasonable.
Maybe I'm being too technical and you saw red when I made this comparison. I was disagreeing with the harsher assumption that the OP made earlier.
Hopefully this clears things up a bit...
Last edited by 9114Scab; 09-23-2014 at 05:54 PM. Reason: clarification
09-23-2014, 08:11 PM
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Did you read my message? Can't tell if you're serious from your response (assuming you read my message).
To clarify further, I was saying you canNOT assume that buyers who purchase NEW are not enthusiasts. Many (perhaps most) are. What can be inferred from people buying used cars substantially above the price of many other brand-name NEW cars, is that used buyers are disproportionately enthusiasts.
It is almost certainly the case that used Porsche 997 buyers will be more skewed towards enthusiasts vs. new car buyers. I'm not sure what is particularly presumptuous about that analysis. I provided my reasoning and I suspect that the statistics would bear it out.
To further illustrate, do you think Lindsay Lohan, Kim Kardashian (insert celebrity name here), bought new Porsches? Likely, right? Do you think they would go out and seek out a used 997? Unlikely, no? I'm just giving examples and maybe they are enthusiasts.... Do you now think a celebrity that is an enthusiast (think Seinfeld, Leno, Letterman) could potentially buy a used Porsche 997 (based on limited edition, specific options, etc.) I think the answer is yes.
My point is just the pool of used buyers for these cars, which are still pricey used, is automatically narrower than the new buyer pool (adjusting for income/budgets). Therefore that (HUGE??) presumption I made that % of used buyers that are enthusiasts > % of new buyers that are enthusiasts looks pretty reasonable.
Maybe I'm being too technical and you saw red when I made this comparison. I was disagreeing with the harsher assumption that the OP made earlier.
Hopefully this clears things up a bit...
To clarify further, I was saying you canNOT assume that buyers who purchase NEW are not enthusiasts. Many (perhaps most) are. What can be inferred from people buying used cars substantially above the price of many other brand-name NEW cars, is that used buyers are disproportionately enthusiasts.
It is almost certainly the case that used Porsche 997 buyers will be more skewed towards enthusiasts vs. new car buyers. I'm not sure what is particularly presumptuous about that analysis. I provided my reasoning and I suspect that the statistics would bear it out.
To further illustrate, do you think Lindsay Lohan, Kim Kardashian (insert celebrity name here), bought new Porsches? Likely, right? Do you think they would go out and seek out a used 997? Unlikely, no? I'm just giving examples and maybe they are enthusiasts.... Do you now think a celebrity that is an enthusiast (think Seinfeld, Leno, Letterman) could potentially buy a used Porsche 997 (based on limited edition, specific options, etc.) I think the answer is yes.
My point is just the pool of used buyers for these cars, which are still pricey used, is automatically narrower than the new buyer pool (adjusting for income/budgets). Therefore that (HUGE??) presumption I made that % of used buyers that are enthusiasts > % of new buyers that are enthusiasts looks pretty reasonable.
Maybe I'm being too technical and you saw red when I made this comparison. I was disagreeing with the harsher assumption that the OP made earlier.
Hopefully this clears things up a bit...
09-23-2014, 11:38 PM
#73
Mine is Used, CPO, 8 months on the road previous owner, 13k kms, saved 27k from sticker.
09-24-2014, 06:23 PM
#74
Just started buying used about five years ago, it's so much easier to let go of a car when you buy used, the depreciation doesn't hurt as much. I'm able to let go and get something newer for a lot less money. When I brought new, I end up keeping the car 8 plus year whether I want to or not b/c the depreciation is too much. My 06' 997 was brought CPO'ed with 17,xxx miles four years ago, my 2013 Boxster S I recently purchased has a MSRP of over $97K, I didn't pay anything near that, has only 7,7xx miles and still has the two years on the original warranty. Unless money start growing on trees, used cars is the only way to buy.
