topracer

How much should I offer for this 09 C4S with 19k mi local trade-in at a dealer? Not CPO, no warranty. It is one of the 09 C4S launch cars.

Option Description Price
BASE 911 Carrera 4S 92,300.00
030 PASM Sports Suspension 0.00
250 Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) 4,080.00
267 Self Dimming Mirrors 420.00
619 Bluetooth Phone Interface 695.00
640 Sport Chrono Package Plus 1,320.00
672 Navigation Module for PCM 2,110.00
680 Bose High End Sound Package 1,440.00
686 XM Radio 750.00
762 PAG Code - Launch code 0.00
810 Floor Mats in Interior Color 140.00
870 Universal Audio Interface 440.00
9Q Meteor Grey Metallic 0.00
AT Black Full Leather 3,655.00
P03 Sport Bucket Seats 3,125.00
Total Options 18,175.00
Total Charges 950.00
Total Order 111,425.00

tomc66

Check the Kelly Blue Book value.

topracer

Another one is a 2011 C4S with 40k mi at a Porsche dealer. 3 months warranty left. What will be a reasonable offer?

Option Description Price
BASE 911 Carrera 4S 96,800.00
176 Sports Exhaust System 0.00
250 Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) 0.00
419 19" Carrera S II Wheel 0.00
437 x 0.00
541 Front Seat Ventilation 0.00
603 Dynamic Cornering Light 0.00
619 Bluetooth Interface for Mobile Phone 0.00
635 ParkAssist Rear 0.00
640 Sport Chrono Package Plus 0.00
693 CD/DVD Auto-Changer 0.00
810 Floor Mats in Interior Color 0.00
840 PDK 3-Spoke Sports Steering Wheel with Shift Paddles 0.00
870 Universal Audio Interface 0.00
AT Black Full Leather 0.00
P15 Electronically Adjustable Seats 0.00
P35 Comfort Package 0.00
P36 Infotainment Package 0.00
Z4 Basalt Black Metallic 0.00
Total Options 0.00

LexVan

Why no CPO?? Could be red flag.

topracer

I do check KBB and NADA, the numbers are different. I am not sure they really reflect the true market values of 911, since a 911 is not a mainstream vehicle like Toyota or Honda.

Anyway, KBB shows $60k for private sales and $64k for dealers of both the 2009 and 2011 in Good condition. To me, the number is kinda high for the 09 and kinda low for the 11.

Therefore, I thought I can get some good opinions from some Porsche enthusiasts in this forum.

dmz

There is not really a lot of changes between a '09 and a '11 997. I'll tell you this. I own a Launch edition C4S and it's a highly desirable cars because they all come loaded and have the highly sawed after sport bucket seats. Between the 2, I'd go with the lower mileage car which should also be priced lower since it's 2 MY older. Mid $60k seems about right, low $60k should be a good deal.

tbrom

I agree with this assessment - if you could get it for 63k that would be good - but there is some reason this is not a CPO car unless it's not a Porsche dealer? That's the trouble with small dealers - no warranty!

topracer

The Porsche dealer wants $67k for the 2011, additional $4,500 to get it CPO'd. The 09 at a reputable non-Porsche dealer is asking for $62k, maybe able to talk it down to $60k. Sounded like I should consider the 09 over the 11.

Haili Selassie

What is the original sticker on the 11'? All the options have 0.00

MessyMarvin

This is just me, I would not buy a Porsche from a none-porsche dealer. I would only buy a CPO from a Dealer or from a fanatic like those on this forum. When my CPO comes up in 2016 it will be time to upgrade.

Good luck regardless, out of those 2 I would get the 2011, although there were not many changes it is 2 years newer and close in Price. Plus you can get the CPO, negotiate the CPO into the price and you're all set.

topracer

The dealer said $117k

After reading your post that you scored a CPO 2011 CS and only 12,500 miles for $66k, the 2011 at the Porsche dealer I found seems way too high. They are pretty firm on $67k+$4,500 to CPO.

BrakingBad

I'd go for the 2009 launch car. Especially if you can get it for $60K. It has half the mileage which trumps year and is very well optioned. Close to half the cars I looked at did not deserve CPO distinction. They were certified simply to increase the selling price. The 2 years of warranty is nice but not at the expense of clear signs of abuse. With $4500 you can get a MUCH better and longer aftermarket warranty for peace of mind.

MessyMarvin

Looking at Porsche USA there are only 5 Carrera S cars 2010 and up under $70K. I get these are asking prices, but good cars well equipped do not last, most dealers will not deal that much unless it is Green or has some funky color combination and/or options.

The search is part of the fun!!! Look at the Rennlist Classifieds, there are a few really nice cars for sale.

Haili Selassie

The 11' you are looking at is loaded though,especially compared to mine.My original sticker was 20k less so if you can get that for anything less than that $71,500 total that feels like a score to me.If it was me I would ask them to go $70k even including CPO and be stoked.
Edit.I just noticed you said they were 'pretty firm' if they wont budge I still think with the 11' you would be getting a deal arguably as good as or better than mine.
Good luck with whatever you decide.

Haili Selassie

Would anyone here really have much more peace of mind with any aftermarket warranty other than CPO?
I certainly wouldn't...maybe I'm mistaken though.with that 11 you could get possibly near 4 years I think depending upon the initial sale date.