Installed Hawk Ceramic Brake Pads on a 997.2
10-13-2015, 12:01 PM
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01-09-2016, 08:01 PM
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I have used mine now for almost 2 years and have had no issues summer or winter. We do get some cold days here but nothing like you have in Canada. I think the bigger concern in the winter is more the tires than the brakes though. My summer Michelin PS2's are like hockey pucks on sub freezing days.
01-10-2016, 02:50 AM
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01-10-2016, 03:43 PM
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Before I went out to wash the car, I thought I'd share this...
To get an idea of how conservative the dusting is with the Hawk Ceramics, here are closeups of my front wheel (1st photo) and back wheel (2nd photo) after two weeks and probably somewhere around 300 to 350 miles of around-town driving. One thing to note is with normal pads the front wheel is normally much darker than the back wheel, especially around the outer rim. Here you can tell a little difference but not a lot. Note that the barrels stayed pretty clean too.
This was all dry weather driving (maybe a faint mist one day) which helps, but still this is really really good. Note that the first several drives after installation you will get a little more dust and it will lessen as they settle in, but it will still be better than OEM. Also note that I didn't do too much hard core driving during those couple of weeks (for a C2S anyway, maybe more aggressive compared to other drivers
). I'll show a little more dusting after a hard core drive.
I'd suggest googling around for the best price on any given day. Some places had better prices for front, some for back, and some charge more for shipping. There are a lot of variables. I got mine from Stillen at these prices:
To get an idea of how conservative the dusting is with the Hawk Ceramics, here are closeups of my front wheel (1st photo) and back wheel (2nd photo) after two weeks and probably somewhere around 300 to 350 miles of around-town driving. One thing to note is with normal pads the front wheel is normally much darker than the back wheel, especially around the outer rim. Here you can tell a little difference but not a lot. Note that the barrels stayed pretty clean too.
This was all dry weather driving (maybe a faint mist one day) which helps, but still this is really really good. Note that the first several drives after installation you will get a little more dust and it will lessen as they settle in, but it will still be better than OEM. Also note that I didn't do too much hard core driving during those couple of weeks (for a C2S anyway, maybe more aggressive compared to other drivers
). I'll show a little more dusting after a hard core drive.I'd suggest googling around for the best price on any given day. Some places had better prices for front, some for back, and some charge more for shipping. There are a lot of variables. I got mine from Stillen at these prices:
HB667Z.622: $94.56
HB664Z.634: $165.75
Free shipping
HB664Z.634: $165.75
Free shipping
01-10-2016, 03:49 PM
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Do they eat into the rotors more than stock? I personally have not been bothered by brake dust, I thin BMWs are far worse. However, when the time comes to replace it is good to have options.
01-10-2016, 06:13 PM
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I have driven my car about 10,000 miles since I installed the Hawk pads. At that time I also replaced the front discs with Porsche OEM discs. I have not noticed a unusual amount of disc (rotor) wear.
03-01-2016, 08:14 AM
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Do the pads come with new sensors ?
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I just installed front and rear Hawk ceramic pads this past weekend on my 997.2 Carrera S. See post here:
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-foru...today-239.html
Also installed front Zimmermann rotors. When buying Hawk pads - your get the pads and a packet of brake squeal goo. I also replaced the front caliper piston insert plates, pad spring, pad retainer pin, cotter-type pin, small rotor screws and the caliper bolts. For the rears, just the pads were replaced. I didn't order new wear sensors as my pads had not worn down to the sensors and I was careful removing them.
The front Hawk pads had a thin plate stuck on the back of the pads similar to the OEM pads. However, the rear Hawk pads had no thin plate stuck to the back of the pads. After I removed the OEM rear pads, I pried off the OEM backing plate but it could not be applied to the back of the Hawk pads because the OEM plate has 4 little dimples that fit into four little depressions on the OEM pads. Installed the rear Hawk pads with no thin backing plate and have had no squeal issues at all.
I bedded the pads/rotors as is described in the Forum and have had no issues at all with any squeal or noticeable loss of stopping efficacy. The coating on the Zimmermann rotors obviously was immediately worn off, but the dust seems to be much less (the whole reason for the switch to ceramic pads). I am partial to Akebono pads, having used them in all my older Mercs - almost zero dust from Akebono pads.
So far, I am happy. I have the 997 Turbo I wheels with the split spokes and these wheels are a PITA to clean OEM dust off....
As an installation note, the two small screws that hold the rotor to the hub can be a pain to break free with a Phillips screwdriver. I tired that first and could not get enough torque to break the screw free without starting to round out the screw head. Luckily, I have an impact driver that I used with a fat phillips bit - THAT did the trick! I had new screws and applied anti-seize to the the screws to avoid the corrosion that made them hard to remove. I also coated the hub where the wheel seats with anti-seize for ease of future removal.
Al
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-foru...today-239.html
Also installed front Zimmermann rotors. When buying Hawk pads - your get the pads and a packet of brake squeal goo. I also replaced the front caliper piston insert plates, pad spring, pad retainer pin, cotter-type pin, small rotor screws and the caliper bolts. For the rears, just the pads were replaced. I didn't order new wear sensors as my pads had not worn down to the sensors and I was careful removing them.
The front Hawk pads had a thin plate stuck on the back of the pads similar to the OEM pads. However, the rear Hawk pads had no thin plate stuck to the back of the pads. After I removed the OEM rear pads, I pried off the OEM backing plate but it could not be applied to the back of the Hawk pads because the OEM plate has 4 little dimples that fit into four little depressions on the OEM pads. Installed the rear Hawk pads with no thin backing plate and have had no squeal issues at all.
I bedded the pads/rotors as is described in the Forum and have had no issues at all with any squeal or noticeable loss of stopping efficacy. The coating on the Zimmermann rotors obviously was immediately worn off, but the dust seems to be much less (the whole reason for the switch to ceramic pads). I am partial to Akebono pads, having used them in all my older Mercs - almost zero dust from Akebono pads.
So far, I am happy. I have the 997 Turbo I wheels with the split spokes and these wheels are a PITA to clean OEM dust off....
As an installation note, the two small screws that hold the rotor to the hub can be a pain to break free with a Phillips screwdriver. I tired that first and could not get enough torque to break the screw free without starting to round out the screw head. Luckily, I have an impact driver that I used with a fat phillips bit - THAT did the trick! I had new screws and applied anti-seize to the the screws to avoid the corrosion that made them hard to remove. I also coated the hub where the wheel seats with anti-seize for ease of future removal.
Al
03-02-2016, 11:56 AM
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03-02-2016, 03:57 PM
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Wheel hub is a good idea, rotor hat maybe if you go very long period without taking the wheel off.
03-03-2016, 10:29 AM
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Burning Brakes
Installing the Hawk ceramic brake pads on my 09 4S Cab was definitely a home run. Can't believe I waited so long after all the research I did to believe it was worth doing. Now my wheels stay clean for long periods of time instead of needing to wash them every couple weeks. For anyone who is thinking of doing it.....get on it.