New 911 owner - Few Questions for current owners
12-03-2013, 04:20 PM
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New 911 owner - Few Questions for current owners
Early X Mas + 30th Birthday gift...
So many questions but the three I would like more info on are:
1. Should all service be done at Porsche or should I look into a good shop that focuses on Porsche? I am based in Houston
2. I like to get to 80-100 few times a week on way home from work - could this lead to damage? Advice? I wait until oil is over 180 and taken steps dealer took me about the car.
3. Was told the car is built to be driven hard - how hard?
So many questions but the three I would like more info on are:
1. Should all service be done at Porsche or should I look into a good shop that focuses on Porsche? I am based in Houston
2. I like to get to 80-100 few times a week on way home from work - could this lead to damage? Advice? I wait until oil is over 180 and taken steps dealer took me about the car.
3. Was told the car is built to be driven hard - how hard?
Last edited by EnergyTrader; 12-03-2013 at 08:20 PM.
12-03-2013, 04:31 PM
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Welcome and glad you posted a pic the first time. You can go to the dealer if you want, it may get you some perks of a courtesy non covered repair, might. But you will pay more for anything you get done there. If you add up the overpay at the dealership vs the courtesy repair you might get, not worth it to me.
I see nothing wrong with those speeds after the car is warmed up.
Many people track their car and then drive it home with out encountering much in the way of problems. I am sure they subject the car to much more stress than I can on the street, so yes they can be driven hard, but you can tear up stuff from time to time.
I see nothing wrong with those speeds after the car is warmed up.
Many people track their car and then drive it home with out encountering much in the way of problems. I am sure they subject the car to much more stress than I can on the street, so yes they can be driven hard, but you can tear up stuff from time to time.
12-03-2013, 04:51 PM
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Welcome, EnergyTrader.
There's quite a bit that can be done yourself:
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-foru...ech-index.html
As far as major work goes, it seems that most would go with a trusted independant shop. Another Houston user on this site pointed me in the direction of a handful. Hopefully he'll pop back up and add to this, as I've lost my notes and can't seem to locate the original thread.
I hit and sustain 120-140 MPH several times a week (the top figure is rare). Of course, this is only after the engine is fully up to temp (200°+). And along those lines, as far as going to and beyond 4000 RPM after the car has been sitting overnight, I try to wait until the engine is to 175° or so (or at the very least the needle has come up off the resting position).
And far as the driven hard part, that will be for the guys who've had their cars far longer than I to comment on. What I'm gathering, though, is "yes" and "very".
There's quite a bit that can be done yourself:
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-foru...ech-index.html
As far as major work goes, it seems that most would go with a trusted independant shop. Another Houston user on this site pointed me in the direction of a handful. Hopefully he'll pop back up and add to this, as I've lost my notes and can't seem to locate the original thread.
I hit and sustain 120-140 MPH several times a week (the top figure is rare). Of course, this is only after the engine is fully up to temp (200°+). And along those lines, as far as going to and beyond 4000 RPM after the car has been sitting overnight, I try to wait until the engine is to 175° or so (or at the very least the needle has come up off the resting position).
And far as the driven hard part, that will be for the guys who've had their cars far longer than I to comment on. What I'm gathering, though, is "yes" and "very".
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12-03-2013, 04:56 PM
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I don't know if your car is under warrenty-if so check with your dealer that going to an independent won't void your warrenty. If there is no warrenty then do a search here for reputable Indy shop in Houston.
If you have to choose between a shop that fixes all makes of euro cars and has been been business 20 years, versus a Porsche only shop in business 10 years-pick the Porsche shop.
Lots of people track their cars. As long as the car is fully warmed up your spirited street driving will not harm the car.
Howard
If you have to choose between a shop that fixes all makes of euro cars and has been been business 20 years, versus a Porsche only shop in business 10 years-pick the Porsche shop.
Lots of people track their cars. As long as the car is fully warmed up your spirited street driving will not harm the car.
Howard
12-03-2013, 05:13 PM
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These cars are meant to be driven fairly hard. As with all cars, warm them up and then go for it. Abuse should not be tolerated, or you will pay more in repair costs. For example, a reasonable driver should be about to get 100,000 miles on the original clutch.
Post a few more pictures and details about this beauty when you get a chance.
12-03-2013, 05:19 PM
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Early X Mas + 30th Birthday gift...
So many questions but the three I would like more info on are:
1. Should all service be done at Porsche or should I look into a good shop that focuses on Porsche? I am based in Houston
2. I like to get to 80-100 few times a week on way home from work - could this lead to damage? Advice? I wait until oil is over 180 and taken steps dealer took me about the car.
3. Was told the car is built to be driven hard - how hard?
So many questions but the three I would like more info on are:
1. Should all service be done at Porsche or should I look into a good shop that focuses on Porsche? I am based in Houston
2. I like to get to 80-100 few times a week on way home from work - could this lead to damage? Advice? I wait until oil is over 180 and taken steps dealer took me about the car.
3. Was told the car is built to be driven hard - how hard?
1) Mechanics can have three important characteristic (good, cheap, trustworthy). Pick 2. I would suggest you do all the basic maintenance yourself (oil changes, filters, etc.) It can be more rewarding than driving the car.
I had my brakes done at a very reputable Porsche shop, small 1-man operation type of deal. He was a very nice guy, excellent with engines and well known suspension tuner, basically a 1-man operation enjoying what he loves. Afterwards they squeak every time. With only 1 dedicated shop lift, you can imagine it's a little tough for me to bring the car in for him to rework it, especially when I know he's making no money. It's his mistake, but still...
Hindsight helped me realize that Porsche has an exact process for every dealership tech to follow for every maintenance procedure. Yeah it's nuts and bolts, but they have a level of quality to maintain and their process has been heavily refined around that, just as their cars have been designed.
The point is choose a shop where you're comfortable with demanding the work be done to maximum standards, particularly if it's going to affect the warranty.
2) All cars are made of nuts and bolts, the Porsche is likely better constructed and more refined than most other cars out there.
Step back and think about what you're asking. "Can driving my car 80-100mph damage it?" Sorry and no offense, it's really entirely unnecessary question for anything besides a vespa.
3) Drive it as hard while being as smooth as possible, using the least revs possible, and carrying the most momentum possible. If anything goes wrong it's a "**** happens" scenario.
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12-03-2013, 05:19 PM
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1. Dealer service unless you can find a great independent shop that does good work for less money. Not that easy.
2. You can drive it like you stole it after you warmed up the engine.
3. See #2. These cars are super reliable and are meant to be driven spiritedly.
Don't worry and just enjoy your car. Congratulations on your new purchase. Now show us more pics!
2. You can drive it like you stole it after you warmed up the engine.
3. See #2. These cars are super reliable and are meant to be driven spiritedly.
Don't worry and just enjoy your car. Congratulations on your new purchase. Now show us more pics!
12-03-2013, 05:41 PM
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I don't know if your car is under warrenty-if so check with your dealer that going to an independent won't void your warrenty. If there is no warrenty then do a search here for reputable Indy shop in Houston.
If you have to choose between a shop that fixes all makes of euro cars and has been been business 20 years, versus a Porsche only shop in business 10 years-pick the Porsche shop.
Lots of people track their cars. As long as the car is fully warmed up your spirited street driving will not harm the car.
Howard
If you have to choose between a shop that fixes all makes of euro cars and has been been business 20 years, versus a Porsche only shop in business 10 years-pick the Porsche shop.
Lots of people track their cars. As long as the car is fully warmed up your spirited street driving will not harm the car.
Howard
12-03-2013, 05:51 PM
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I see by your wheels, you have a 2009 or newer....
Independent... ask if they have Durametric Pro for diagnostics. The 2009s, the year of the new engine, are just coming off of warranty so independents may not be prepared to maintain them to a deep level. They can lease, not buy, the Porsche diagnostic computer called the PIWIS but it costs $12,000 per year. Hence the powerful, but poorly documented, Durametric software developed by a small company. In other words, you want an independent that has a good volume of Porsche business.. like a few cars in the bays at all times.
I have always used an independent but they are hard to find. They are out there and if they are Porsche specialists, then I have no problems at all using them. They usually have a discounted labor rate over the dealer, although still expensive, and usually do not charge as much for parts. For parts, they can get Porsche OEM "white label" parts that are cheaper and will, if you desire, install non-Porsche parts.
For peace of mind, use the dealer. To save some money and get just as good service, find a good Porsche independent. Indy's are also fun to visit as there are usually track cars around, enthusiasts to talk to, and the indy will let you back to chat with the mechanics where you learn the real dope on these cars.
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Bruce in Philly
Independent... ask if they have Durametric Pro for diagnostics. The 2009s, the year of the new engine, are just coming off of warranty so independents may not be prepared to maintain them to a deep level. They can lease, not buy, the Porsche diagnostic computer called the PIWIS but it costs $12,000 per year. Hence the powerful, but poorly documented, Durametric software developed by a small company. In other words, you want an independent that has a good volume of Porsche business.. like a few cars in the bays at all times.
I have always used an independent but they are hard to find. They are out there and if they are Porsche specialists, then I have no problems at all using them. They usually have a discounted labor rate over the dealer, although still expensive, and usually do not charge as much for parts. For parts, they can get Porsche OEM "white label" parts that are cheaper and will, if you desire, install non-Porsche parts.
For peace of mind, use the dealer. To save some money and get just as good service, find a good Porsche independent. Indy's are also fun to visit as there are usually track cars around, enthusiasts to talk to, and the indy will let you back to chat with the mechanics where you learn the real dope on these cars.
Peace
Bruce in Philly
12-03-2013, 06:08 PM
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I see by your wheels, you have a 2009 or newer....
Independent... ask if they have Durametric Pro for diagnostics. The 2009s, the year of the new engine, are just coming off of warranty so independents may not be prepared to maintain them to a deep level. They can lease, not buy, the Porsche diagnostic computer called the PIWIS but it costs $12,000 per year. Hence the powerful, but poorly documented, Durametric software developed by a small company. In other words, you want an independent that has a good volume of Porsche business.. like a few cars in the bays at all times.
I have always used an independent but they are hard to find. They are out there and if they are Porsche specialists, then I have no problems at all using them. They usually have a discounted labor rate over the dealer, although still expensive, and usually do not charge as much for parts. For parts, they can get Porsche OEM "white label" parts that are cheaper and will, if you desire, install non-Porsche parts.
For peace of mind, use the dealer. To save some money and get just as good service, find a good Porsche independent. Indy's are also fun to visit as there are usually track cars around, enthusiasts to talk to, and the indy will let you back to chat with the mechanics where you learn the real dope on these cars.
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Bruce in Philly
Independent... ask if they have Durametric Pro for diagnostics. The 2009s, the year of the new engine, are just coming off of warranty so independents may not be prepared to maintain them to a deep level. They can lease, not buy, the Porsche diagnostic computer called the PIWIS but it costs $12,000 per year. Hence the powerful, but poorly documented, Durametric software developed by a small company. In other words, you want an independent that has a good volume of Porsche business.. like a few cars in the bays at all times.
I have always used an independent but they are hard to find. They are out there and if they are Porsche specialists, then I have no problems at all using them. They usually have a discounted labor rate over the dealer, although still expensive, and usually do not charge as much for parts. For parts, they can get Porsche OEM "white label" parts that are cheaper and will, if you desire, install non-Porsche parts.
For peace of mind, use the dealer. To save some money and get just as good service, find a good Porsche independent. Indy's are also fun to visit as there are usually track cars around, enthusiasts to talk to, and the indy will let you back to chat with the mechanics where you learn the real dope on these cars.
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12-03-2013, 06:21 PM
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12-03-2013, 06:42 PM
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If it's CPO I'd stick with the dealer until warranty runs out.
Assuming the car is warmed up, really the only way to hurt the engine is a missed shift... But if you have a PDK you don't even have to worry about that.
Assuming the car is warmed up, really the only way to hurt the engine is a missed shift... But if you have a PDK you don't even have to worry about that.
12-03-2013, 06:45 PM
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