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Old 12-02-2010, 01:45 PM
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I don't understand your point. Try using words instead of pictures.
Ohhhhh! Very revealing.

I thought you were a person using an english language translator to (mis)understand and twist the meaning of my posts.

Now I see! You're a gone-haywire artificial intelligence program, not a real person after all.

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Old 12-02-2010, 01:48 PM
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Why are you trying to change the subject?
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Originally Posted by LlBr View Post
No, not satisfied. That's twisted; as usual from you .

Nobody tries to enjoy their Porsche's performance features to the maximum on public roads by slamming on their brakes.

I do.

The ideal cornering technique, when pressing on in a rear-engined car, is trail braking, ie late braking into a corner smoothly but firmly in order to transfer the car's mass to the steering wheels, then turning in as you ease off the brake pedal and squeezing gently onto the throttle as the chassis bites.

In order to perform this manoeuvre effectively you must have absolute confidence in your brakes, so as to perfect the marriage of speed reduction with corner entry. Mine are unbelievably good and a key feature of the car.

By the way, you might also want to reflect on the point that in a lighter car (say, I dunno, maybe a C2S) this manoeuvre is easier to achieve, leading to what many on here would recognise as the unique pleasure of driving a 911 in the twisties.
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Old 12-02-2010, 01:57 PM
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Why are you trying to change the subject?
In answer to your question here's another picture that probably everybody except you will understand.
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Old 12-02-2010, 01:59 PM
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So instead of tactfully admitting that you were incorrect you'd rather turn to insults?

I don't speak english, I'm a computer program, and I'm an annoying yappy dog?
How does it feel to have lost the argument to a puppy? That can't be fun.
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Old 12-02-2010, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Betternotbigger View Post

By the way, you might also want to reflect on the point that in a lighter car (say, I dunno, maybe a C2S) this manoeuvre is easier to achieve, leading to what many on here would recognise as the unique pleasure of driving a 911 in the twisties.
I hope you are on a track when you drive fancy thru the curves.

Funny because that brings us back to the beginning. TT and C2S on public roads perform pretty much same in the twisties. I own/ed both and know. You have to be on a track to safely explore the characteristic differences.
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Old 12-02-2010, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by LlBr View Post
I hope you are on a track when you drive fancy thru the curves
The same way I hope you are on a track when you are driving 100mph (i.e. I don't, really. Just as it's sometimes safe to travel 100mph on public roads it's also sometimes safe to corner enthusiastically on public roads).

Funny because that brings us back to the beginning. TT and C2S on public roads perform pretty much same in the twisties. I own/ed both and know. You have to be on a track to safely explore the characteristic differences.
Yes, back to the beginning. I find that the TT and C2S handle noticeably different on public roads, not the same. You may not feel that way, but many drivers do. All I suggest is that anyone who is curious drive both cars and see for themselves. You do not have to be on a track to safely explore the differences.

I can accept that you have your view. Can you accept that others do not share your view? Just say it:

Some people prefer the C2S handling on the street, and that's reasonable.
Some people are more interested in handling than they are in acceleration, and that's understandable.

Can you agree with that? It won't hurt, I promise.
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Old 12-02-2010, 02:17 PM
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Can you agree with that? It won't hurt, I promise.
You're waaaaaaaay too much. What I agree with is this: if you're going to buy a Porsche road car make sure you test drive the Turbo.
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Old 12-02-2010, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by LlBr View Post
if you're going to buy a Porsche road car make sure you test drive the Turbo.
I agree!
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Old 12-02-2010, 02:31 PM
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Yes, back to the beginning. I find that the TT and C2S handle noticeably different on public roads, not the same.
I said they perform "pretty much the same" on the public road twisties.

I did not say they perform the "same" on public roads.

The TT is considerably faster on public roads.
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Old 12-02-2010, 02:36 PM
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I agree that there's a difference between "the same" and "pretty much the same." I apologize if you feel that I mischaracterized your position. I don't agree with either characterization, though. I think the handling differences are significant and easy to detect even on public roads.

Edit to add: more precisely, I think that the differences are significant enough to matter. The TT and C2S handle differently enough that the differences are a factor when choosing which car you might prefer.

The TT is considerably faster on public roads.
Yes, that's undoubtedly true. I'm sure there are a few roads where a skilled driver could be faster in a C2S but that would be an odd exception and not at all a general case.
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Old 12-02-2010, 02:40 PM
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What I agree with is this: if you're going to buy a Porsche road car make sure you test drive the Turbo.
Now wait a stinkin' minute, that is unless you already know you want RWD and an NA engine.

I want the last word!
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Old 12-02-2010, 02:44 PM
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Even if you already know you don't want a Turbo you should still test drive one. Why waste a chance to thrash the dealer's car around a bit?

I mean, jeez... I test drove a Panamera and there's no way in hell I'd buy a four door car... But why not?
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I see turbos on the track, they are the ones passing the NA Carreras.
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Old 12-02-2010, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by texas911 View Post
I see turbos on the track, they are the ones passing the NA Carreras.
ORLY?

Nurburgring, 911 Turbo - 7:38
Nurburgring, 911 C2S - 7:50

The Turbo is only 3% faster, despite a nearly 150 hp advantage and AWD. That means during a normal DE track event, its 1-2 seconds faster which a better driver can equalize or possibly reverse. Don't be so smug.
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