is there really a big difference between S and Turbo
#1
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is there really a big difference between S and Turbo
i have a chance to trade my C2S for a Turbo. Of course with additional money... for those who have experienced both, it it really worth it. is the Turbo really so much more valuable than the C2S? do not track, just want a nice toy to drive around and feel good in. impressions?
#2
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i have a chance to trade my C2S for a Turbo. Of course with additional money... for those who have experienced both, it it really worth it. is the Turbo really so much more valuable than the C2S? do not track, just want a nice toy to drive around and feel good in. impressions?
my opinion is that for street only driving it is like day and night from regular 'NA' car plus you can mod it into stratosphere if you will want more hp.
if feels very good. get a new PDK turbo with SC if you can - it is a crazy car.
#3
The turbo is way quicker and faster. The acceleration seems like it is never ending. It looks a lot more aggressive as well. My biggest complaint with the turbo is that the steering feel is awful compared to the C2S (I imagine from more electronic assistance). The C2S is a lot of fun to drive, but is a different experience than the turbo.
#5
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You'll gain that straightline speed & torque like others pointed out, but it lacks the steering feel of a Carrera S. Just depends on what you value more, and what you're willing to pay for it. I'd rather have a turbo but my Carrera suits me fine for now.
#6
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One of the outstanding things about Porsche is that they have designed such a variety of 997 cars. A such, each has different features and capabilities, depending upon what you desire. You can then fine tune it further into a very personal automobile.
Only you, therefore, can decide what your priorities in a Porsche auto can be and should be. Easily, everyone can say that they want and need the most power available from an engine so they turn to the Turbo. But, in America, is that really even sensible? Have you gotten yourself into a driving situation where you needed more power? Was that more due to your inadequacies as a driver (taking chances)?
I drove a 911 turbo for several years (10 years) and have found the 997S more than adequate. Keep in mind that maintenance is going to be twice that of a normally aspirated car.
Only you, therefore, can decide what your priorities in a Porsche auto can be and should be. Easily, everyone can say that they want and need the most power available from an engine so they turn to the Turbo. But, in America, is that really even sensible? Have you gotten yourself into a driving situation where you needed more power? Was that more due to your inadequacies as a driver (taking chances)?
I drove a 911 turbo for several years (10 years) and have found the 997S more than adequate. Keep in mind that maintenance is going to be twice that of a normally aspirated car.
#7
Race Director
I'll admit I'm offering observations in a vacuum 'cause I haven't driven a TT; I'm know it's a fantastic car and surely a great driving experience. OTOH, I can use only a fraction of the tremendous performance of my 997.2S with PDK on the street without risking cosmic legal blowback, so it's difficult for me to imagine the real-life benefit of spending an extra 40-50 grand for the added horsepower (other than bragging rights).
So that leaves driving the car on the track or autox course to extract it's performance and in that respect many have said that the TT has less of an advantage over the C2S in that venue anyway. I can attest that my car is extremely competive with TT's in autox.
I'm not trying to put down anyone who buys a TT. There's no question it's faster than the C2S and wonderful in other ways. But faster in a way that has relevance to real life driving on U.S. roads? I'm not so sure. I know this same argument could be made between owning a C2S and a Miata so I get the psychic satisfaction that come from owning the baddest car. Still, there's a point at which enough should be enough. Maybe if I was 18 again and still competing on the stop-light Grand Prix circuit I'd have a different perspective.
So that leaves driving the car on the track or autox course to extract it's performance and in that respect many have said that the TT has less of an advantage over the C2S in that venue anyway. I can attest that my car is extremely competive with TT's in autox.
I'm not trying to put down anyone who buys a TT. There's no question it's faster than the C2S and wonderful in other ways. But faster in a way that has relevance to real life driving on U.S. roads? I'm not so sure. I know this same argument could be made between owning a C2S and a Miata so I get the psychic satisfaction that come from owning the baddest car. Still, there's a point at which enough should be enough. Maybe if I was 18 again and still competing on the stop-light Grand Prix circuit I'd have a different perspective.
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#8
The S is simpler and, therefore, should be easier/less costly to maintain. If money was no object I would go for a turbo but my S is plenty fast with brilliant steering feel and response!
#10
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I LOL'd.
Didn't we just cover this in a nice four page thread a few days ago?
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-foru...t-vs-997s.html
For me, I prefer the "light and nimble" of the C2S over the "breathtaking straight line performance" of the TT. Others may disagree. Drive them both and I'm confident you'll have a valid opinion of your own.
Didn't we just cover this in a nice four page thread a few days ago?
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-foru...t-vs-997s.html
For me, I prefer the "light and nimble" of the C2S over the "breathtaking straight line performance" of the TT. Others may disagree. Drive them both and I'm confident you'll have a valid opinion of your own.
#11
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I also challenge your assertion that it's the difference isn't relevant on public roads. That's very regional. you're probably right for those of use who live in flatland Houston but it's definitely not true if you live in a hilly world with lots of twisty roads to drive (oh how I miss Austin). Plenty of people live in an area of the country where the public roads can exploit the lighter, more nimble handling of a C2S and for whom the differences are more than just academic benchmark racing.
Clearly the only rational solution is a GT2 RS.
#12
Nordschleife Master
For me the Turbo extra mass and different driving dynamics is noticeable and detrimental for my driving style. And yes, I easily distinguish the Pavarotti and Domingo's voicing differences.
#13
Nordschleife Master
All other factors being equal, sure. The issue is that when comparing the Turbo to a C2S the other factors are not equal. To gain the extra power of the Turbo you also have to accept 4WD and and over 300lbs of extra weight (10%). To many drivers that's a bad compromise.
I also challenge your assertion that it's the difference isn't relevant on public roads. That's very regional. you're probably right for those of use who live in flatland Houston but it's definitely not true if you live in a hilly world with lots of twisty roads to drive (oh how I miss Austin). Plenty of people live in an area of the country where the public roads can exploit the lighter, more nimble handling of a C2S and for whom the differences are more than just academic benchmark racing.
I also challenge your assertion that it's the difference isn't relevant on public roads. That's very regional. you're probably right for those of use who live in flatland Houston but it's definitely not true if you live in a hilly world with lots of twisty roads to drive (oh how I miss Austin). Plenty of people live in an area of the country where the public roads can exploit the lighter, more nimble handling of a C2S and for whom the differences are more than just academic benchmark racing.
#15
Nordschleife Master
Very funny arguments. Nice work.
Excellent ways to TRY to avoid more power as a persuasive factor. I'm surprised more handling dynamics advocates who are Carrera guys don't give up and buy Boxsters.
The only regret I have is the outrageous extra cost for the Turbo. If Porsche didn't make them so overpriced and out of reach for many there'd be waaaay fewer NA cars on the road.
Pavarotti vs Domingo voicing? I'm talking you can't stand there and listen to them talk shop and understand unless you are their peer or student; i.e. a trained tenor.
Same thing with this steering issue. I don't believe you can perceive significant differences in the steering and dynamics of both cars on public roads unless you are a trained track guy who can read into what's just about to happen or not quite happening when on public roads.
So? Quit "voicing" these handling dynamic differences as crucial (or even perceivable) when 90% of guys you're talking to here have no significant track experience and are interested only in a road car. They're slightly different but no way a crucial difference to ordinary intelligent Porsche road car drivers or wanna buy drivers.
If driving dynamic differences were so important and so sensible (as in the case you make here) you guys SHOULD be crying that the Boxster, with it's BRILLIANT driving dynamics (compared to the 997) was so underpowered (HOW IRONIC!)
Again, just being friendly trying to be interesting and engaging. No disrespect. No anxious or negative feelings.
Excellent ways to TRY to avoid more power as a persuasive factor. I'm surprised more handling dynamics advocates who are Carrera guys don't give up and buy Boxsters.
The only regret I have is the outrageous extra cost for the Turbo. If Porsche didn't make them so overpriced and out of reach for many there'd be waaaay fewer NA cars on the road.
Pavarotti vs Domingo voicing? I'm talking you can't stand there and listen to them talk shop and understand unless you are their peer or student; i.e. a trained tenor.
Same thing with this steering issue. I don't believe you can perceive significant differences in the steering and dynamics of both cars on public roads unless you are a trained track guy who can read into what's just about to happen or not quite happening when on public roads.
So? Quit "voicing" these handling dynamic differences as crucial (or even perceivable) when 90% of guys you're talking to here have no significant track experience and are interested only in a road car. They're slightly different but no way a crucial difference to ordinary intelligent Porsche road car drivers or wanna buy drivers.
If driving dynamic differences were so important and so sensible (as in the case you make here) you guys SHOULD be crying that the Boxster, with it's BRILLIANT driving dynamics (compared to the 997) was so underpowered (HOW IRONIC!)
Again, just being friendly trying to be interesting and engaging. No disrespect. No anxious or negative feelings.
I know Turbos and I think that if one is after sledge-hammer straight-line propulsion that is the car to have. If one appreciates the progressive ramp to high RPM sonority, the NA offerings, be it the GT1 engine or the new DFI engine are the way to go, with the bonus of very noticeable mass differences. I can assure you that some of us easily notice that.
At the end of the day, all is well; it's good to have options.