0-60 in 3.9sec!!! Style and fuel efficient!!! Future of Porsche??? You decide.
05-30-2009, 12:27 AM
#16
Nordschleife Master
Le Chef: Please do no speak of what you have already demonstrated you know zylch. Some of us are engineers and know a thing or two about these issues. Please do not destroy your earned good reputation on many other issues but not this one. 
05-30-2009, 12:32 AM
#17
Nordschleife Master
there's Physics, Chemistry, Economics, Politics, Demand, limitations of currently available materials.
i often agree with what you say, but i think you should educate yourself a little better here. you sound as if you know very little about the topic.
let me ask you a question. by your chosen Forum name i'll assume you actually are a chef, or at least associated intimately with food preparation (but as always, i could be wrong);
why can't you guys make a great pizza for $.25 ?
why can't i buy a wonderfully prepared Prime Fillet for $.50 ? Maybe with some mushrooms for $.05 ? Hell, we have more arable farmland and herds per capita than anywhere. why is it so expensive? can't you guys think outside the box and get this done?
get the idea ?
05-30-2009, 12:34 AM
#18
Three Wheelin'
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yes, we have the brains, it's just not cost effective. in today's world, we just don't "need" electric cars. I put "need" in quotes because i want to avoid the sociopolitical discussion. we have 50-100 years of oil depending on who you ask. political pressure and environmental concerns are putting pressure on fuel efficiency in transportation. fine. it is what it is.
the average new car costs $28,400 which is a ton for most people. gas in the US remains dirt cheap compared to ROW because gas taxes are regressive. converting to an all-electric powertrain isn't worth an increase in cost for the majority. for the fringe it is cool, we have Teslas and they're cool and they're fast and they're technologically limited in range and take forever to recharge.
when there's really demand - or even emerging demand, there will be supply. in the mean time, there are tons of ways to increase the efficiency of the fuel we use in automobiles - smaller displacement, less power, diesel, turbos, yada yada.
to say things like we can't put a man on the moon or the like is just nonsensical though. there's more technology in your laptop than we developed to put a man on the moon - and retrieve him safely, by the way.
the average new car costs $28,400 which is a ton for most people. gas in the US remains dirt cheap compared to ROW because gas taxes are regressive. converting to an all-electric powertrain isn't worth an increase in cost for the majority. for the fringe it is cool, we have Teslas and they're cool and they're fast and they're technologically limited in range and take forever to recharge.
when there's really demand - or even emerging demand, there will be supply. in the mean time, there are tons of ways to increase the efficiency of the fuel we use in automobiles - smaller displacement, less power, diesel, turbos, yada yada.
to say things like we can't put a man on the moon or the like is just nonsensical though. there's more technology in your laptop than we developed to put a man on the moon - and retrieve him safely, by the way.
05-30-2009, 12:45 AM
#19
Nordschleife Master
"...anyone can design a device that works, but only an engineer can design a device that barely works..."
anyway, i have to wonder if Ben has seen this. he's generating a lot of restraint if he has!
05-30-2009, 12:48 AM
#20
Nordschleife Master
yes, we have the brains, it's just not cost effective. in today's world, we just don't "need" electric cars. I put "need" in quotes because i want to avoid the sociopolitical discussion. we have 50-100 years of oil depending on who you ask. political pressure and environmental concerns are putting pressure on fuel efficiency in transportation. fine. it is what it is.
the average new car costs $28,400 which is a ton for most people. gas in the US remains dirt cheap compared to ROW because gas taxes are regressive. converting to an all-electric powertrain isn't worth an increase in cost for the majority. for the fringe it is cool, we have Teslas and they're cool and they're fast and they're technologically limited in range and take forever to recharge.
when there's really demand - or even emerging demand, there will be supply. in the mean time, there are tons of ways to increase the efficiency of the fuel we use in automobiles - smaller displacement, less power, diesel, turbos, yada yada.
to say things like we can't put a man on the moon or the like is just nonsensical though. there's more technology in your laptop than we developed to put a man on the moon - and retrieve him safely, by the way.
the average new car costs $28,400 which is a ton for most people. gas in the US remains dirt cheap compared to ROW because gas taxes are regressive. converting to an all-electric powertrain isn't worth an increase in cost for the majority. for the fringe it is cool, we have Teslas and they're cool and they're fast and they're technologically limited in range and take forever to recharge.
when there's really demand - or even emerging demand, there will be supply. in the mean time, there are tons of ways to increase the efficiency of the fuel we use in automobiles - smaller displacement, less power, diesel, turbos, yada yada.
to say things like we can't put a man on the moon or the like is just nonsensical though. there's more technology in your laptop than we developed to put a man on the moon - and retrieve him safely, by the way.
Chemical storage
- Battery energy density low - leads to heavy cars
- Battery charging time - long or reduced battery life with high current charging reqs.
- Limited raw material harvesting, especially Li and associated environmental issues
E-field- capacitance storage
- expensive fragile dielectrics
- very high voltage reqs w/ associated danger
ICE technology evolving:
Next frontier is electromagnetically controlled valving.
KERS solutions - advanced serial hybrids do make sense.
There's plenty of oil and more to be found. CO2 is NOT a pollutant - whoever says that CO2 is a pollutant has no right to exist, by their own definition. There is no correlation between atmosphere CO2 levels and global warming. There have been periods of time of high CO2 content and low temps and times of low CO2 content and high temps.
05-30-2009, 01:10 AM
#21
Banned
05-30-2009, 01:34 AM
#22
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
Kennedy could have said he wanted one of these by the end of the decade....guess what no matter how creative and smart the engineers were
IT WAS NOT GOING TO GET DONE
abe
IT WAS NOT GOING TO GET DONE
abe
05-30-2009, 03:46 AM
#25
I don't think that the abiotic theory of the origins of oil has been accepted by all scientists. Probably not even a majority.
05-30-2009, 04:44 AM
#26
Nordschleife Master
