Non Rennlist Members and the Reasons Why They Remain So.
11-08-2005, 12:16 PM
#46
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Originally Posted by Bob Rouleau
o Need for Support - John D has posted a couple of times that he is now working three jobs to keep this site up. Lots of servers and high bandwidth costs real money.
o Why not sponsors? - John made it clear from the outset that he would not finance his site with a plethora of pop-up ads like some other sites. With the traffic generated here, he could easily bring in a bunch of advertisers but he prefers to keep his site "pure".
o Why not sponsors? - John made it clear from the outset that he would not finance his site with a plethora of pop-up ads like some other sites. With the traffic generated here, he could easily bring in a bunch of advertisers but he prefers to keep his site "pure".
Hey Rob, can you alert John D. to this thread. I've tried to email him about this subject but he apparently is too busy to reply right now. It would certainly be helpful to know what's going on straight from the horse's mouth (make that the Stud Stallion's mouth, now that he's married Jenn).
11-08-2005, 12:17 PM
#47
Nordschleife Master
Originally Posted by Bob Rouleau
Dell,
Not a bad idea, but it would make the mods job harder. Non members are not allowed to post ads for example. It would be tedious to have to check a database to see if someone was a member or not. Fact is I don't see any reason for frequent users not to be members. And yes, it does create a class system but, so what? I think the people who make the most noise are the ones who feel guilty about enjoying rennlist without contributing to its support. Many of us worry that john might get fed up with working three jobs to finance Rennlist. Then what happens? We all move to six speed or rennteam? I like the non commerical nature of Rennlist, more like a club than a business, but that's just MHO.
Best,
Not a bad idea, but it would make the mods job harder. Non members are not allowed to post ads for example. It would be tedious to have to check a database to see if someone was a member or not. Fact is I don't see any reason for frequent users not to be members. And yes, it does create a class system but, so what? I think the people who make the most noise are the ones who feel guilty about enjoying rennlist without contributing to its support. Many of us worry that john might get fed up with working three jobs to finance Rennlist. Then what happens? We all move to six speed or rennteam? I like the non commerical nature of Rennlist, more like a club than a business, but that's just MHO.
Best,
11-08-2005, 12:35 PM
#49
Originally Posted by LVDell
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I'd hate to figure out what my 3K posts or your 4K posts cost us incomewise???? ...
I'd hate to figure out what my 3K posts or your 4K posts cost us incomewise???? ...
Good point. I'll think I'll send John an invoice for my time spent on this forum.
11-09-2005, 02:18 AM
#50
Originally Posted by OCBen
..Do you ever feel guilty when watching a PBS broadcast that you’re really enjoying, and during a promotional break you’re being asked to help keep PBS on the air with your contributions and donations, that it’s through viewers like you that help keep PBS on the air?..
11-09-2005, 03:02 AM
#51
Technical Guru
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I can't for the life of me understand why Rennlist members continue to think they can berate someone into paying for a membership? Your intentions might be good but all you do is drive people away.
11-09-2005, 03:16 AM
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I agree with JasonAndreas and Christer. It's their choice wheather to become members or not. Otherwise, it would have been the set policy of this board to exclude non-members from paritcipating in these forums, just as they are not allowed to use the off topic forum.
11-09-2005, 10:59 AM
#54
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Hey, no need to get nasty. ... I'm just trying to have an intelligent discussion on a matter that seems to be divisive here. ... Some people apparently can't handle controversial subjects intelligently, and when they are at a loss for cogent arguments they quickly resort to irrational emotional outbursts, often laced with insults.
11-09-2005, 11:55 AM
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OC,
You are an intense person and I agree that users of this site should pay for the information gleaned here. However I don't think there was this much needless discussion about the D-Day invasion in world war 2. I paid my dues, others choose not to. End of story!
You are an intense person and I agree that users of this site should pay for the information gleaned here. However I don't think there was this much needless discussion about the D-Day invasion in world war 2. I paid my dues, others choose not to. End of story!
11-09-2005, 01:43 PM
#56
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Originally Posted by Larry Harris
I paid my dues, others choose not to. End of story!
And until we know the facts of the matter, there's going to be resentment … whether we wish to acknowledge it or not, among those who feel that others are not pitching in simply because they are not being made to – if something is free, why pay for it, as one honest replier put it.
I can't speak for the administrators here, though in effect I'm acting as an advocate, but it seems it would help a tremendous amount if an Income from Operations Statement could be disclosed for all to see. And once everyone realizes the shortfall, users will be more willing to contribute to the cause. ... That's the nice thing about human nature – wherever there is a perceived need, volunteers usually come to the rescue.
11-09-2005, 02:27 PM
#57
Race Car
Bottom line is you have to compete wiith your competition. If this board changed to mandatory membership, I have no doubt that the majority of posters here would move to the other boards. These boards, as nice and as valuable as they are, are not a requirement to either enjoy or maintain your Porsche. Advertising is much easier to sell with a high volume site than one that has little volume.
11-09-2005, 03:25 PM
#58
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Originally Posted by 1999Porsche911
If this board changed to mandatory membership, I have no doubt that the majority of posters here would move to the other boards.
I think my original suggestion of allowing newbies a maximum number of posts (say 50 or so) in order for them to get a feel for the community before making up their minds to join seems like a good suggestion still. At least that's what they do in the **** sites -- from what I hear, that is ... not that I would have personal knowledge, of course. But from what I hear.
11-09-2005, 03:35 PM
#59
Race Car
Originally Posted by OCBen
I think you meant to say the majority of non-members, and even that figure might be debatable. Many would simply join the club.
I think my original suggestion of allowing newbies a maximum number of posts (say 50 or so) in order for them to get a feel for the community before making up their minds to join seems like a good suggestion still. At least that's what they do in the **** sites -- from what I hear, that is ... not that I would have personal knowledge, of course. But from what I hear.
I think my original suggestion of allowing newbies a maximum number of posts (say 50 or so) in order for them to get a feel for the community before making up their minds to join seems like a good suggestion still. At least that's what they do in the **** sites -- from what I hear, that is ... not that I would have personal knowledge, of course. But from what I hear.
No. I meant exactly what I said. "majority of posters". Obviously, the members would remain; at least until they found that much of the good posting from non-members had moved to other sites.
