996 gt3 test drive vs my 997s
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The torque delivery of the 3.8 is fantastic (better than the GT3) but it dies uptop and doesn't have the hp. Anything less than a WOT run to redline and the S will feel like it has bigger *****. If you push both cars the GT3 will walk away.
The S is a fantastic car though. I'm still thinking I may buy one.
The S is a fantastic car though. I'm still thinking I may buy one.
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an interesting comparison between 9997S and 03 GT3 can be found at http://www.track-challenge.com/main_e.asp
the 997S was slower on two tracks Nuerburgring 8:05 min vs. 7:54 min and Hockenheim 1:14.3 min vs. 1:13.2 min. it is interesting to note that the 997S had better slalom, lateral acceleration numbers and braking (32.3 m vs. 34 m from 100km/h-0 hot brakes), . the GT3 had better acceleration times. acceleration from 0-200km/h 16 s (997S) 14.8 s (GT3) a 1.2 s difference. for 0 - 200-0 Km/h times are 20,7 s (997S) 19,9 s (GT3) shrinking the diference to 0.8s
due to better braking of 997S.
based on this data a 997S w/X51 would be as fast or slightly faster thank the GT3. the GT3 has about 90 lbs weight advantage.
the summary of data is below
Carrera S (997) 911 GT3 (2003)
Testing Date 5/2005 6/2003
Power 355 PS (261 KW) @ 6600/min 381 PS (280 KW) @ 7400/min
Torque 400 Nm @ 4600/min 385 Nm @ 5000/min
Weight 1461 Kg 1420 Kg
Weight / BhP 4,1 Kg / PS 3,7 Kg/ PS
0 - 100 Km/h 4,8 s 4,6 s
0 - 200 Km/h 16 s 14,8 s
0 - 200-0 Km/h 20,7 s 19,9 s
Top Speed
293 Km/h 306 Km/h
100 - 0 Km/h hot , 11,4 m/s
Transverse Acceleration 1,35 g 1,25 g
Slalom Course 36 / 110m 136 / 153 Km/h 130 / 149 Km/h
Round Time Nuerburgring 8.05 min 7.54 min
Round Time Hockenheim 1.14,3 min 1.13,2 min
the 997S was slower on two tracks Nuerburgring 8:05 min vs. 7:54 min and Hockenheim 1:14.3 min vs. 1:13.2 min. it is interesting to note that the 997S had better slalom, lateral acceleration numbers and braking (32.3 m vs. 34 m from 100km/h-0 hot brakes), . the GT3 had better acceleration times. acceleration from 0-200km/h 16 s (997S) 14.8 s (GT3) a 1.2 s difference. for 0 - 200-0 Km/h times are 20,7 s (997S) 19,9 s (GT3) shrinking the diference to 0.8s
due to better braking of 997S.
based on this data a 997S w/X51 would be as fast or slightly faster thank the GT3. the GT3 has about 90 lbs weight advantage.
the summary of data is below
Carrera S (997) 911 GT3 (2003)
Testing Date 5/2005 6/2003
Power 355 PS (261 KW) @ 6600/min 381 PS (280 KW) @ 7400/min
Torque 400 Nm @ 4600/min 385 Nm @ 5000/min
Weight 1461 Kg 1420 Kg
Weight / BhP 4,1 Kg / PS 3,7 Kg/ PS
0 - 100 Km/h 4,8 s 4,6 s
0 - 200 Km/h 16 s 14,8 s
0 - 200-0 Km/h 20,7 s 19,9 s
Top Speed
293 Km/h 306 Km/h
100 - 0 Km/h hot , 11,4 m/s
Transverse Acceleration 1,35 g 1,25 g
Slalom Course 36 / 110m 136 / 153 Km/h 130 / 149 Km/h
Round Time Nuerburgring 8.05 min 7.54 min
Round Time Hockenheim 1.14,3 min 1.13,2 min
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Dear MrBonus. the trap speed of 122mph (quarter mile of 12.15) was acheived at 15 degrees celsius track temp and with the rear tire pressure set to 28 psi and the fronts set to 39. all things are possible, just depends on the setup, same as tracking a car, the slightest chanmge in suspension setup can improve lap times significantly. However the point i'm trying to make is that the 997s is capable of putting out some great acceleration. for the test drive the pressures were the normal posrche recommended specs.
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Originally Posted by C4S Surgeon
The numbers may not add up but the 'Ring times sure do. The GT3 is a great car, but what is it's niche really? It's not really a street car, more like a race car in disguise, but it's not a race car either, at least out of the box. I'd love to have one, just not practical, as I'd want to drive it every day. I don't do anything half assed , if and when I decide to go racing again, I'll just buy the best used cup ride I can get my hands on. Can't see laying out 100k+ just for DE's???
I mean they're fun and all but it's just a DE.![bigbye](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/xyxwave.gif)
I mean they're fun and all but it's just a DE.
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Originally Posted by doc2s
an interesting comparison between 9997S and 03 GT3 can be found at http://www.track-challenge.com/main_e.asp
the 997S was slower on two tracks Nuerburgring 8:05 min vs. 7:54 min and Hockenheim 1:14.3 min vs. 1:13.2 min. it is interesting to note that the 997S had better slalom, lateral acceleration numbers and braking (32.3 m vs. 34 m from 100km/h-0 hot brakes), . the GT3 had better acceleration times. acceleration from 0-200km/h 16 s (997S) 14.8 s (GT3) a 1.2 s difference. for 0 - 200-0 Km/h times are 20,7 s (997S) 19,9 s (GT3) shrinking the diference to 0.8s
due to better braking of 997S.
based on this data a 997S w/X51 would be as fast or slightly faster thank the GT3. the GT3 has about 90 lbs weight advantage.
the summary of data is below
Carrera S (997) 911 GT3 (2003)
Testing Date 5/2005 6/2003
Power 355 PS (261 KW) @ 6600/min 381 PS (280 KW) @ 7400/min
Torque 400 Nm @ 4600/min 385 Nm @ 5000/min
Weight 1461 Kg 1420 Kg
Weight / BhP 4,1 Kg / PS 3,7 Kg/ PS
0 - 100 Km/h 4,8 s 4,6 s
0 - 200 Km/h 16 s 14,8 s
0 - 200-0 Km/h 20,7 s 19,9 s
Top Speed
293 Km/h 306 Km/h
100 - 0 Km/h hot , 11,4 m/s
Transverse Acceleration 1,35 g 1,25 g
Slalom Course 36 / 110m 136 / 153 Km/h 130 / 149 Km/h
Round Time Nuerburgring 8.05 min 7.54 min
Round Time Hockenheim 1.14,3 min 1.13,2 min
the 997S was slower on two tracks Nuerburgring 8:05 min vs. 7:54 min and Hockenheim 1:14.3 min vs. 1:13.2 min. it is interesting to note that the 997S had better slalom, lateral acceleration numbers and braking (32.3 m vs. 34 m from 100km/h-0 hot brakes), . the GT3 had better acceleration times. acceleration from 0-200km/h 16 s (997S) 14.8 s (GT3) a 1.2 s difference. for 0 - 200-0 Km/h times are 20,7 s (997S) 19,9 s (GT3) shrinking the diference to 0.8s
due to better braking of 997S.
based on this data a 997S w/X51 would be as fast or slightly faster thank the GT3. the GT3 has about 90 lbs weight advantage.
the summary of data is below
Carrera S (997) 911 GT3 (2003)
Testing Date 5/2005 6/2003
Power 355 PS (261 KW) @ 6600/min 381 PS (280 KW) @ 7400/min
Torque 400 Nm @ 4600/min 385 Nm @ 5000/min
Weight 1461 Kg 1420 Kg
Weight / BhP 4,1 Kg / PS 3,7 Kg/ PS
0 - 100 Km/h 4,8 s 4,6 s
0 - 200 Km/h 16 s 14,8 s
0 - 200-0 Km/h 20,7 s 19,9 s
Top Speed
293 Km/h 306 Km/h
100 - 0 Km/h hot , 11,4 m/s
Transverse Acceleration 1,35 g 1,25 g
Slalom Course 36 / 110m 136 / 153 Km/h 130 / 149 Km/h
Round Time Nuerburgring 8.05 min 7.54 min
Round Time Hockenheim 1.14,3 min 1.13,2 min
Those numbers appear to be the Manufacture numbers and not from any independent testors.
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Originally Posted by NITEALB
"with the rear tire pressure set to 28 psi and the fronts set to 39"
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Originally Posted by 9Eleven
It's a race car that can be driven on the street. I drive it on the street all the time, no issues. "They're fun and all but it's just a DE." ????? Dude, you've got to drive one. This car is an extension of your body. You will never feel as connected to the road unless you attach wheels and an engine to your body.
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Originally Posted by NITEALB
around 25-35hp, may not seem like alot but the car feels significantly quicker than stock, in particular mid-range throttle response(not sure if thats at the wheels or not).
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Originally Posted by NITEALB
Dear MrBonus. the trap speed of 122mph (quarter mile of 12.15) was acheived at 15 degrees celsius track temp and with the rear tire pressure set to 28 psi and the fronts set to 39. all things are possible, just depends on the setup, same as tracking a car, the slightest chanmge in suspension setup can improve lap times significantly. However the point i'm trying to make is that the 997s is capable of putting out some great acceleration. for the test drive the pressures were the normal posrche recommended specs.
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Originally Posted by C4S Surgeon
Listen, Man, I've driven real race cars I know what it's like to be connected to the track. My point about the GT3 is just my take on it, while I can easily afford one, I need things it can't deliver (back seat, daily driver including bad weather). I still say, get a cup car and be done with it.
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No man, they should build and sell whatever they want, and you should buy what you want. I'm saying for me, nobody else, it doesn't make sense. If I'm buying a car purely for track use, I'll buy a cup ride.