How to spend 100K? new 997S or lightly used 996tt?
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hot shutdown: drive the car like a bat out of hell, the without cooling off (idling) just turn off the ignition.
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Thanks mooty,
So, in a perfect world, after some spirited driving, how long should one drive the car "normally" to allow it to cool down?
With that same thought in mind, if you take it to the track - do a 20-30 minute session, how should you cool it down?
Thanks,
So, in a perfect world, after some spirited driving, how long should one drive the car "normally" to allow it to cool down?
With that same thought in mind, if you take it to the track - do a 20-30 minute session, how should you cool it down?
Thanks,
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Correct me, but doesn't a Porsche TT have an after run pump/switch. That is, doesn't the oil continue to circulate in the 996 TT after you shut down the car, until it reaches a certain lower temp. Obviously driving the car is better as you get airflow over the oil cooler. I had an Audi S4 TT and it did not have this funtion and turbo failure was exaggerated for those that were hard on their cars.
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Turbo cars need to run at least 30 sec- 1 min after a hard run so that the exhaust grime on the turbo fins are spun off. Failure to do so over time will reduce turbo life.
This has little to do with engine oil. When the engine shuts down, it doesn't need oil to circulate unless it's really hot. If it's really hot, the fan will kick in to cool down the car.
This has little to do with engine oil. When the engine shuts down, it doesn't need oil to circulate unless it's really hot. If it's really hot, the fan will kick in to cool down the car.
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I think you need to define what your intended purpose for your $100k car is. The TTs and the GT3 are designed to take abuse on the track and hold up very well under those conditions - the 997 will not, as it has an inferior wet sump engine, and has a weak gearbox just like the 996. For street crusing, the 997 is definitely more comfortable, but I doubt you're buying a Porsche for overall comfort...
My personal choice would be between the 993TT and GT3, and I would probably go with the latter, even though I'm a die-hard air-cooled fan. The GT3 is an amazing machine and what a sweet drivetrain! Almost nothing in common with the 996 except for body shape - but even then, the GT3 has stronger body/chassis seam welds. I would say the only thing the 996 has in common with a GT3 is the body shape and some interior pieces!
If you go with a GT3, not only will you have a streetable car that is right at home on the track, but I would think resale in a few years will be very strong on those cars, unlike a 997.
Just my $.02
Greg
My personal choice would be between the 993TT and GT3, and I would probably go with the latter, even though I'm a die-hard air-cooled fan. The GT3 is an amazing machine and what a sweet drivetrain! Almost nothing in common with the 996 except for body shape - but even then, the GT3 has stronger body/chassis seam welds. I would say the only thing the 996 has in common with a GT3 is the body shape and some interior pieces!
If you go with a GT3, not only will you have a streetable car that is right at home on the track, but I would think resale in a few years will be very strong on those cars, unlike a 997.
Just my $.02
Greg
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GT 3, no contest. I hv an F-car in Malaysia and drive a 993TT in China. Thought of the 996TT to upgrade to in Malaysia, and test drove both 996TT, 997 and GT3 as a 'neutral' in between..
Not a professional driver, but even so, the ultimate P-car experience has to be from the GT-3.
Not a professional driver, but even so, the ultimate P-car experience has to be from the GT-3.
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If it was me...
I would stay away from the 996 or 997 unless their engine is derived from the old 993 design.
The RMS problem is not cured with the 997...
so, in order, it would be a 993 RS, 996 GT3, 993 TT and lastly 996 TT. At least the rear hardware might stay together long enough to enjoy the car
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I would stay away from the 996 or 997 unless their engine is derived from the old 993 design.
The RMS problem is not cured with the 997...
so, in order, it would be a 993 RS, 996 GT3, 993 TT and lastly 996 TT. At least the rear hardware might stay together long enough to enjoy the car
Prejudiced.. me?? Nah!
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Though not one of the options you mentioned, I would choose the 993TT first because it was the Zenith of Porsche Air Cooled race cars (foundation of the marque). It is a true SUPERCAR in every sense of the word.
Next, tough decision, I guess the GT3 because it is designed for racing. Tough and raw.
Then the 996 TT.
Turbo motors going bad at 100k, BFD. Time for more HP. What's wrong with that.
Next, tough decision, I guess the GT3 because it is designed for racing. Tough and raw.
Then the 996 TT.
Turbo motors going bad at 100k, BFD. Time for more HP. What's wrong with that.
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You take a GT3 on a track session, and when you come back to the pits, the car is ready for the next session.
You take the 996TT on the same session, and when the session is over the car is burning. Engine compartment and brakes burn as hell (weight and Turbos). It really needs a rest.
My experience with the RMS engine is with my Boxster S and few rides on 996, not a hard ride on a 997S yet other than a test drive. The Boxster S comes to the pit with valve noises, uneven engine, overheated brakes, in really bad shape.
My car ran 11.82 @ 120.3 miles on the 1/4 mile 3 months ago. The car gets stronger as it gets older. You feel so connected while driving this car. It's a fun ride even after almost a year with it. No car ever before got me to enjoy even looking at it after all this time. It's like being married to Bo Derek.
My vote: GT3.
You take the 996TT on the same session, and when the session is over the car is burning. Engine compartment and brakes burn as hell (weight and Turbos). It really needs a rest.
My experience with the RMS engine is with my Boxster S and few rides on 996, not a hard ride on a 997S yet other than a test drive. The Boxster S comes to the pit with valve noises, uneven engine, overheated brakes, in really bad shape.
My car ran 11.82 @ 120.3 miles on the 1/4 mile 3 months ago. The car gets stronger as it gets older. You feel so connected while driving this car. It's a fun ride even after almost a year with it. No car ever before got me to enjoy even looking at it after all this time. It's like being married to Bo Derek.
My vote: GT3.
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You take a GT3 on a track session, and when you come back to the pits, the car is ready for the next session.
You take the 996TT on the same session, and when the session is over the car is burning. Engine compartment and brakes burn as hell (weight and Turbos). It really needs a rest.
My experience with the RMS engine is with my Boxster S and few rides on 996, not a hard ride on a 997S yet other than a test drive. The Boxster S comes to the pit with valve noises, uneven engine, overheated brakes, in really bad shape.
My car ran 11.82 @ 120.3 miles on the 1/4 mile 3 months ago. The car gets stronger as it gets older. You feel so connected while driving this car. It's a fun ride even after almost a year with it. No car ever before got me to enjoy even looking at it after all this time. It's like being married to Bo Derek.
My vote: GT3.
You take the 996TT on the same session, and when the session is over the car is burning. Engine compartment and brakes burn as hell (weight and Turbos). It really needs a rest.
My experience with the RMS engine is with my Boxster S and few rides on 996, not a hard ride on a 997S yet other than a test drive. The Boxster S comes to the pit with valve noises, uneven engine, overheated brakes, in really bad shape.
My car ran 11.82 @ 120.3 miles on the 1/4 mile 3 months ago. The car gets stronger as it gets older. You feel so connected while driving this car. It's a fun ride even after almost a year with it. No car ever before got me to enjoy even looking at it after all this time. It's like being married to Bo Derek.
My vote: GT3.
NJ-GT, thanks for your perspective - I can only imagine what it must be like living with a car like that. I love my 993, but having an even more uncompromising car like the GT3 is a dream. Enjoy your ride, although I don't have to tell you that...