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Omnigeek 02-10-2024 01:29 AM

Sadly have to replace my 2011 997.2 C2S
 
Sadly had an accident 2 weeks ago and the appraisal came back as totaled. I was afraid of this outcome as I dearly love the 997.2 platform and it was the color I wanted inside and out. I had faint hope since all the damage was on the front but the appraiser said it would essentially have to be rebuilt from the firewall forward.

I'm still waiting for the insurance company to come up with an estimate on what they'll give me for it but in the meantime I'm trying to look around for a replacement.

What do people think about the 991.1 or 991.2 versus the 997.2?

misterdega 02-10-2024 01:39 AM

Sorry to hear about your accident. That is a bummer.

No chance you try to buy back and rebuild? Are you able to take parts off?

If you go into the 991 world, I would recommend a .2 if you want the turbos and easy power. The styling I personally think looks better in the .2 as well.

But both vehicles will be a world of difference away from the 997.2 If it were me, I would try to get a badass 997.2 like a GTS, turbo, or something special. If I were to go into the 991.2 world, it would be a 4S for me.

Either way good luck. And if you are able to get parts, I am looking for a handful of things. =)

Atgani 02-10-2024 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by misterdega (Post 19270942)
Sorry to hear about your accident. That is a bummer.

No chance you try to buy back and rebuild? Are you able to take parts off?

If you go into the 991 world, I would recommend a .2 if you want the turbos and easy power. The styling I personally think looks better in the .2 as well.

But both vehicles will be a world of difference away from the 997.2 If it were me, I would try to get a badass 997.2 like a GTS, turbo, or something special. If I were to go into the 991.2 world, it would be a 4S for me.

Either way good luck. And if you are able to get parts, I am looking for a handful of things. =)

This, there’s a big difference between “not financially viable” for your insurer to repair, and you employing a good quality repair shop to use a secondhand front clip and rebuild the shell, then use second hand parts to keep the parts costs down.
Sure, the car will always have a title, but if you intend keeping it, who cares ?
If you can buy it off your insurer and repair it more cost effectively than they can, you get to keep “your” car.

TomiK 02-10-2024 07:00 AM

Sorry to hear about the loss. Fwiw, I went from a 991.2 S (my first 911) to a 997.1S and have not regretted it once. Sure, the 991.2 is a better car in all respects (so they say), but I found a few things very annoying. The pdk was superb, but dull unless in sport mode, but then the exhaust popped artificially on deceleration, no matter how slow you were going. The handbrake was under the dash, very odd. I think depending on options it'll be more expensive to maintain. Mine had dynamic engine mounts which broke within 30k miles and cost $4000 to replace.

If you're a manual lover, I think the T might be closest to your 997.2 but it's still a bigger car. I'd look for a nice 997 turbo if I was in your position.

Enjoy the hunt!

Omnigeek 02-10-2024 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by Atgani (Post 19271080)
This, there’s a big difference between “not financially viable” for your insurer to repair, and you employing a good quality repair shop to use a secondhand front clip and rebuild the shell, then use second hand parts to keep the parts costs down.
Sure, the car will always have a title, but if you intend keeping it, who cares ?
If you can buy it off your insurer and repair it more cost effectively than they can, you get to keep “your” car.

That's a thought. I'll have to visit a shop nearby that does restorations. I had already thought about making this 997.2 my forever car so the title really isn't an issue. Interior leather needs a refresh (I had already made inquiries to a local upholsterer) anyway.

bheit1 02-10-2024 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by Omnigeek (Post 19270932)
Sadly had an accident 2 weeks ago and the appraisal came back as totaled. I was afraid of this outcome as I dearly love the 997.2 platform and it was the color I wanted inside and out. I had faint hope since all the damage was on the front but the appraiser said it would essentially have to be rebuilt from the firewall forward.

I'm still waiting for the insurance company to come up with an estimate on what they'll give me for it but in the meantime I'm trying to look around for a replacement.

What do people think about the 991.1 or 991.2 versus the 997.2?

I recently talked to the son of the former owner of my 2011 C2S 6sp. He recently took possession a brand new 992 GTS 6sp.
He said it just doesn't inspire him like the 997.2 and wants to buy mine. That tells me we have something special.

bheit1 02-10-2024 04:57 PM

Void

jamesinger 02-10-2024 05:48 PM

Within my normal person budget, if my 997.1 got killed, I would be looking at a 718 GTS, which is the same size essentially as the 997. I would look at the 4cyl. and the 4.0 because the 4 banger could be so amazing tuned for more HP/TQ and I miss having turbo nowafter 6 years with the NA 3.8.

I would also look at the 991.2 3.0TT cars because, as mentioned, I kind of miss turbo power. A light tune, exhaust, and some springs would make the car amazing. I even like the base 991.2 C2. If you can find one with PCCB, that would be inane lowered with an exhaust possibly on some BBS wheels. I think about this too much. I don't think the prices are that unreasonable but I wouldn't really be in the market for a new 992 911.

anewman 02-10-2024 06:47 PM

Sorry to hear about your accident. FWIW When my 997.1 was rear-ended/ totaled several years back I decided to stick with the 997 platform due to its desirable size and characteristics. Took the time to find my .2 and have decided to keep it long term- its that great.
So long as you stay with a 911 I'm sure you’ll be happy, but my preference is the 997s.

soundbehindyou 02-10-2024 07:57 PM

I would look for a 997.2 Manual....not many out there, will hold their value better long term

850tgul 02-10-2024 09:52 PM

If you love the 997 platform and have patience, I’d hold out for another 997.2. If you’re not a 911 snob, I think a 6 cylinder Cayman would be a suitable replacement if you don’t need the rear seats. I think they are more fun than the 911 but people define fun differently. You can spend $30k for a base 987.2 all the way up to a $150k for a 718 GT4. Every 6 cylinder Cayman is a winner in my book and they are much easier to find than a 997.2, especially if you’re looking for a 6MT. 991s are nice but noticeably bigger, both literally and in how they feel and drive, and more refined.

Chris M. 02-10-2024 10:42 PM

Drive both because only you can decide. I’ve driven 991.1 and 991.2, both manual S models and I prefer the 997. I love the 997 size, sound, and feel. Problem is, manual 997.2 coupes are very hard to find and 95% of them are black, silver, and grey.

sandwedge 02-11-2024 04:00 AM


Originally Posted by 850tgul (Post 19272387)
.Every 6 cylinder Cayman is a winner in my book and they are much easier to find than a 997.2,

And why is that? :cheers:

850tgul 02-11-2024 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by sandwedge (Post 19272754)
And why is that? :cheers:

Actually, I was wildly incorrect; a quick and very unscientific search of Autotrader reveals 20 2009-2011 Caymans for sale nationwide. Same search for 911 coupes shows 75 for sale. 911s appear to be a dime a dozen compared to the unobtainium that is the Cayman. :)

groovzilla 02-11-2024 04:18 PM

No worries---->Market is full of 997.2 PDK Transmission cars in all shapes and sizes..
Just make sure you grind on the insurance company for market/replacement value.
Was the accident your fault?? If not get yourserlf a rental car because liable accident party will fund it.

Omnigeek 02-23-2024 01:12 PM

Finally got the settlement offer from my insurance company. I'm sure they had a hard time trying to find comps as I'm getting very depressed trying to find one on AutoTempest or AutoTrader :banghead:. I've even tried opening my aperture to 718s and 991.1s but their lines just aren't right. :(

Just to be clear, I'm a cab guy. When the sun's out and the air is crisp, I love having the top down and carving the canyon roads. I haven't test-driven a 991, the 997 just felt right. I think I test-drove a 987 when I was first looking at Porsches 9 years ago and while it drove well, climbing out of it felt like getting out of a flight suit.

ManoTexas 02-23-2024 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by groovzilla (Post 19273614)
No worries---->Market is full of 997.2 PDK Transmission cars in all shapes and sizes..
Just make sure you grind on the insurance company for market/replacement value.
Was the accident your fault?? If not get yourserlf a rental car because liable accident party will fund it.

They’ll only pay rental for short period. Years ago lady totaled my car. Explained to their agent I travel full time so getting car quick will be issue. Told him I usually take 4-6 months to buy a car but will get one within a month. He said ok. Bought one 3 weeks later. Rental company called and wanted money for last 3 weeks, insurance would only pay 1 week. Called her agent. Jerk tried to stiff me. I told him, you know, my neck’s starting to hurt. He paid.

yvesvidal 02-23-2024 06:15 PM

This is the kind of things that made me switch to Hagerty recently. At least (supposedly) you are getting back the value of your car (you define it ahead of time) and there is a cherished option, too.

I hope I never have to deal with all this stuff.

Yves

Omnigeek 04-10-2024 12:38 PM

Just couldn't find another 997.2 C2S Cab that fit the bill so I've gone with a 2013 991.1 C2S Cab. White over Espresso with a Cocoa top. I expect to fly to Atlanta to pick it up Saturday after next then 2 days to drive it back to Colorado. I'm both excited and depressed.

Oh yeah, and the insurance company stuck to their guns on ACV which I think was horse puckey but I'm tired of arguing with them.

Sporty 04-10-2024 03:37 PM

Congrats and enjoy- sounds beautiful with that color combo. FWIW I am not a fan of the 997 cab looks wise (have a 997 coupe), but, I think the 991.1 cabs have much better lines (more sleek looking than 997 cab) and I would almost consider one myself one day.. So maybe my perspective will help you appreciate the 991 cab moreso, as I consider myself to have good and discerning taste, haha.

ATX_Native 04-10-2024 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by Sporty (Post 19379686)
Congrats and enjoy- sounds beautiful with that color combo. FWIW I am not a fan of the 997 cab looks wise (have a 997 coupe), but, I think the 991.1 cabs have much better lines (more sleek looking than 997 cab) and I would almost consider one myself one day.. So maybe my perspective will help you appreciate the 991 cab moreso, as I consider myself to have good and discerning taste, haha.

Yeah, the 991 cab is the first good looking 911 cab to my eyes as well.

TommyV44 04-11-2024 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by Omnigeek (Post 19270932)
Sadly had an accident 2 weeks ago and the appraisal came back as totaled. I was afraid of this outcome as I dearly love the 997.2 platform and it was the color I wanted inside and out. I had faint hope since all the damage was on the front but the appraiser said it would essentially have to be rebuilt from the firewall forward.

I'm still waiting for the insurance company to come up with an estimate on what they'll give me for it but in the meantime I'm trying to look around for a replacement.

What do people think about the 991.1 or 991.2 versus the 997.2?

Same as you...not too much! I'd go older!

TommyV44 04-11-2024 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by ATX_Native (Post 19379854)
Yeah, the 991 cab is the first good looking 911 cab to my eyes as well.

Cars are like women...what's beautiful to one maybe brutal to another. The entire 991 lineup doesn't do it for me. Not one model!

Omnigeek 04-12-2024 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by ATX_Native (Post 19379854)
Yeah, the 991 cab is the first good looking 911 cab to my eyes as well.

I actually liked the lines of the 997 cab. Something seems ... off ... on the pictures of the 991 cab when I look at it but I'm sure I'll grow to like it as well.

If I had the time and ability for a project car, I would totally investigate buying my old one off the insurance company. All the damage was on the front end since my car basically went in under the other vehicle and lifted its rear. Just couldn't get the brakes to stop fast enough when he came to a sudden stop (not his fault, the truck in front of HIM did an unwarned sudden stop while traffic was flowing at 60-65 mph -- as I understand it, his sensors did the automatic braking because he didn't even see the truck stopping). I understand why the insurance company totaled it given the cost of just replacing the headlights much less the frunk lid and both front quarter panels.


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