Help Decide on a 997.2 (I have 6 Days)
#16
Instructor
Thread Starter
May want to check out this one -
'09 C2
Black
Manual shift
48k miles
Asking price - $45,900
Looks very nice in the photos.
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=285055671
'09 C2
Black
Manual shift
48k miles
Asking price - $45,900
Looks very nice in the photos.
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=285055671
BTW, what do you drive?
Last edited by thunder911; 11-16-2020 at 01:36 AM.
#17
Rennlist Member
'09 C2S Cab 28k Miles - PDK - Meteor Gray, Full Leather, Dark Natural Gray - Fister Sport Mufflers / Sharkwerks Center Muffler Bypass; DSC Sport Controller
#18
Instructor
Thread Starter
#19
Nordschleife Master
Sounds good so far. Now, what I have noticed. In no particular order. Is it normal wear and tear, worth repair, not worth buying, etc.
- 3 prior owners (first 2 drove 4000 miles yr and last owner drove 6000+ yr)
- the hard seat belt loop part on the latch attached to B piller (DRV and PASS) is cracked?
- all 4 brake caliper is chipping and decolored
- gps sys works but no map graphics is displayed
- no manual books
- windshield replaced with PGW brand (see some glue marks here and there)
- rear window rubber belt trim is sticky and degrading - someone said that's normal for 997s
- paint is has tiny pitting all over the top surfaces of the car (not the sides) - can only see up close but its there
- air filter plug is ripped
- front trunk plastic covers are cracking on the edges - guess i can replace those
- center console air bag light is cracked
- lots of scratches/chips here and there (I think owner drove as daily)
I would be patient, pass on what you describe as a somewhat neglected car with pitted paint no less. Keep searching would be my opinion FWIW.
#20
RL Community Team
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I guess it all depends on how particular about your cars you are. The condition of that car would make me sad everytime I looked at it. If you view a car more as an appliance and not an object of desire, then the price on this one is certainly right, but the condition makes me think you'll have maintenance items that need attention more than you would on a nicer example.
The base cars ride very high on the stock suspension, which doesn't look sporty and don't have PASM, which means you can't add TPC's DSC controller, which is the single best reason to buy an S model over a base. But for an S you're looking at mid 50s or better these days. I'd actually look for a nice 997 1 C2S. Maybe you could find one that had a Raby 4.0 rebuild that would address the issues with the M97 engine. That car would likely be in much nice shape with better performance than a 997. 2 base and a lot more fun.
The base cars ride very high on the stock suspension, which doesn't look sporty and don't have PASM, which means you can't add TPC's DSC controller, which is the single best reason to buy an S model over a base. But for an S you're looking at mid 50s or better these days. I'd actually look for a nice 997 1 C2S. Maybe you could find one that had a Raby 4.0 rebuild that would address the issues with the M97 engine. That car would likely be in much nice shape with better performance than a 997. 2 base and a lot more fun.
#21
Pro
Too many issues with that particular car, and it doesn't speak well for either the current owner, or the previous two. I'd say pass and keep looking. Best of luck to you!
#22
Drifting
I don't buy cars that I'm not excited about.
If you're not excited about owning this car, it's not going to get any better after you buy it. Move on to the next one.
If you're not excited about owning this car, it's not going to get any better after you buy it. Move on to the next one.
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#23
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$57k. Car had 25k miles when I bought it.
Price included a set of new Michelins, a new battery, and catch-up maintenance items.
It was purchased from a Porsche dealer. Condition was the primary deciding factor.
Price included a set of new Michelins, a new battery, and catch-up maintenance items.
It was purchased from a Porsche dealer. Condition was the primary deciding factor.
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#25
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There certainly can be great satisfaction in bringing a higher mileage, neglected case back from the brink. It can be (often unexpectedly) very expensive though, and in the end after the work is done, how much of the additional investment made will be retained as future value?
Everyone is different of course and has their own priorities, desires, and expectations. Good luck with the hunt and your purchase.
#26
Rennlist Member
IMHO. The paint issues you mentioned would make me walk away. Most other stuff can be fixed, replaced, but if the paint is pitted and chipped to a point where a detail with some clay and an orbital can’t manage effectively - then that is not so easy to deal with... likely other areas will have the same problem if they were not maintained well.
#27
Three Wheelin'
Depends what it is going to be used for. My 09 base is a daily driver, 15,000 miles a year and it is not perfect on the outside, but I am not the type to buy a car and drive it only on weekends and nice weather. Some are like that and that is fine, but not for me. Inside it is pristine and to me that is what matters. Just driving it is where I get my thrills, but a driven car will have chips in the paint and I would much rather have a car I love to drive daily that has chips than a perfect one that sits in the garage. Totally your call.
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#28
Instructor
These are not rare cars, there are/will be many other opportunities. You're already disappointed after inspecting it yourself. My recommendation is to not succumb to FOMO...that often leads to regrets. You WILL find another one, or many, that better meet your expectations.
PS: I looked for a year I think...and that's not because I didn't come across a lot of very worthwhile cars - just took that long to find the one for me. I wouldn't rush it.
PS: I looked for a year I think...and that's not because I didn't come across a lot of very worthwhile cars - just took that long to find the one for me. I wouldn't rush it.
#29
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Depends what it is going to be used for. My 09 base is a daily driver, 15,000 miles a year and it is not perfect on the outside, but I am not the type to buy a car and drive it only on weekends and nice weather. Some are like that and that is fine, but not for me. Inside it is pristine and to me that is what matters. Just driving it is where I get my thrills, but a driven car will have chips in the paint and I would much rather have a car I love to drive daily that has chips than a perfect one that sits in the garage. Totally your call.
^^^^THIS^^^^
#30
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Lets get this thread back to center. There is some good info and advice listed above along with some real wisdom. However it is ridiculous to be trying to tell someone whom we have not met and do not really know that the car he should buy must have this and that option, blah,blah,blah.
He has stated that he does his own maintenance and is up to doing some refresh work himself. He has also said that the target car is 997.2 MT. He also stated that black/black is acceptable. Also a base car is acceptable. (I actually think they are great!)
Why should we argue with what is already known and stated? The point is to provide guidance on the particular car he has looked at and help with good car- bad car- good price -bad price. discussion. Players here that have actually purchased 997,.2 MT cars in the past year will have relevant experience . Others with good knowledge should also be considered.
I am a 997.2 MT buyer from 12 months ago. It is a sellers market for these cars. Prices have gone up in the past 8 months or so. The car he is asking about is not out of line in price for what it is. Cosmetic condition is the only box that is not checked for him. A PPI and maybe a cosmetic PPI (cosmetologist?) may be in order for him to decide, not us. The actual best advice in my words is from above replies that state "if the car does not speak to you, then there is the answer". Technically it looks like a sound car and in the correct price range. To buy that car or to keep looking are both very reasonable directions, his opinion, his money and his emotions.
He has stated that he does his own maintenance and is up to doing some refresh work himself. He has also said that the target car is 997.2 MT. He also stated that black/black is acceptable. Also a base car is acceptable. (I actually think they are great!)
Why should we argue with what is already known and stated? The point is to provide guidance on the particular car he has looked at and help with good car- bad car- good price -bad price. discussion. Players here that have actually purchased 997,.2 MT cars in the past year will have relevant experience . Others with good knowledge should also be considered.
I am a 997.2 MT buyer from 12 months ago. It is a sellers market for these cars. Prices have gone up in the past 8 months or so. The car he is asking about is not out of line in price for what it is. Cosmetic condition is the only box that is not checked for him. A PPI and maybe a cosmetic PPI (cosmetologist?) may be in order for him to decide, not us. The actual best advice in my words is from above replies that state "if the car does not speak to you, then there is the answer". Technically it looks like a sound car and in the correct price range. To buy that car or to keep looking are both very reasonable directions, his opinion, his money and his emotions.
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