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This is exactly what I would look for with a 911 budget in the $30K range. Coupe or cab. With a 2009 you eliminate the IMS issue altogether and the PDK while similar to the Tiptronic is in a whole different league actually being a manual transmission lacking that third pedal. The Tiptronic is almost bulletproof (built by Mercedes I believe) but it's still a traditional automatic with all its shortcomings. So in sum, the IMS problem wasn't completely resolved until MY 2009 which also came with the PDK instead of the TIP. Again, TIP failures are seldom heard of while PDK failures do occur and they're costly if you're out of warranty.
I'm not finding to many high milage 2009s yet, but I'll keep an eye out
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I'm not completely worried about resale value, but let's say I buy a 2006 CS with 80-90k miles on it for $35,000k. 5 years from now I'll have added 40k miles. What am I selling a CS for?
Well, even if the too low mileage cars are not so enviable, they do command a price premium, and that is just logical. So you will pay some 5-10k less for one with a bit more a mileage, therefore it will probably sync the value of the car, making for the same drop in price.
So in the end, you pay less because of the mileage, and you'll sell for less for the same reasons.[/QUOTE]
Yeah makes sense, just trying to calc a rough TCO (total cost of ownership). If I work out the example above, in 5 years I'd have a car with 120-130k miles on it. If I can sell it for $15K then it will have cost me $333 a month over those 5 years. Add $250 a month in expected maintenance (per suggestion above) and I'm looking at about $600 a month in TCO. (If is can sell it for $20K, TCO comes down to $500 a month). This is assuming doing most maintenance myself and no major issues along the way.
A full set of replacement PCCBs are $22K? (Suncoast) Any idea how long these would last with only street use?
Found this car, assuming there's a bit of room on price maybe a decent candidate? Although, an non-garaged black car (my current situation) is a maintenance nightmare: http://www.eliteautogroupusa.com/veh...CARRERA-S-997/
Over priced? Seems the brakes are the largest deterrent, it's loaded with everything else. I suppose I could drop in a set of Brembos and put the PCCBs on the shelf, but that tacks on another $4k either way.
I'm not seeing much of a price difference form '05-'07. Price seems to be dictated by mileage more than anything, then options. Need some sort of deep learning neural net algorithm to decode the packages vs mileage vs cost.
This may answer my question on ultra high mileage sale prices: Autotrader 150K miles
That black 2005 looks spectacular. The ims has been upgraded so that is great. as for the ceramic brakes, if they are recent and won't need changing for a good while, that wouldn't stop me from buying it. I think that for $33-35K, you'd have a great car given a successful PPi and wouldn't lose much in resale down the road no matter the mileage. 911s are great that way, they tend to hit a point where they hardly lose value no matter what. Only expense I wouldn't hesitate to do is an upgraded stereo that has apple car play and android auto. Brings the 997 up to 2019 standards. My 2007 Targa 4 with that Pioneer system makes my wife's 2017 Audi Q5 feel like the old car in the stable.
My first 997 had the tiptronic and I still loved driving the car. My opinion is you spend all your time inside the car, it's money well spend on interior items you like. On my second (current and last) 997 I got the full natural leather and love it.
Insurance was surprising low for me (Tennessee) and I have also heard the same from others anecdotally. My 2006 C4S rate is 32% lower than my 2014 Cadillac CTS Vsport despite the CTS having a lower market value.
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Yep, increased insurance costs, tires, regular service are part of the expectation. I'll likely do most of the maintenance myself, assuming I won't need to buy a one-time $1,000 special tool to accomplish it. $250 a month seems like a fair number all things considered.
That black 2005 looks spectacular. The ims has been upgraded so that is great. as for the ceramic brakes, if they are recent and won't need changing for a good while, that wouldn't stop me from buying it. I think that for $33-35K, you'd have a great car given a successful PPi and wouldn't lose much in resale down the road no matter the mileage. 911s are great that way, they tend to hit a point where they hardly lose value no matter what. Only expense I wouldn't hesitate to do is an upgraded stereo that has apple car play and android auto. Brings the 997 up to 2019 standards. My 2007 Targa 4 with that Pioneer system makes my wife's 2017 Audi Q5 feel like the old car in the stable.
As I go down the PCCB rabbit hole I've read tat the rotors can last 100-200k miles (seems high?) with average street uses and that the pads are the main wear item. If true, that's less of an issue for me.
Attached is the PPI that the seller had done at a local "porsche specialist" shop. Looks like it needs front shocks ($1,500?) and rear tires are at half life. Break pads seems to be decent based on my research.
if I were to seriously consider the car I'd get a real PPI done and get it scoped. The low oil level could be laziness or a sign of consumption through bore scoring?
Apparently there's a guy flying in to look at it this weekend, so we'll see
My first 997 had the tiptronic and I still loved driving the car. My opinion is you spend all your time inside the car, it's money well spend on interior items you like. On my second (current and last) 997 I got the full natural leather and love it.
Agreed! I'm looking for all the bells and whistles!
Insurance was surprising low for me (Tennessee) and I have also heard the same from others anecdotally. My 2006 C4S rate is 32% lower than my 2014 Cadillac CTS Vsport despite the CTS having a lower market value.
Yes, I was surprised the insurance for a '06 CS is only about $1300+ a year ($300 more a year than my current car)
FYI thought you may have interest----> I'm not letting this out in public(Porsche for sale Marketplace) "yet" but I might be selling my 2007 C4S w/nice options in excellent condition located in Seattle, Wa. - I found a nice aircooled 1981 911sc that I might have to have and wife's new rule is only 1 Porsche.
I'll know for sure by this weekend.
I'm a long time member and honest/forthright and know how to buy a Porsche - I purchased my car last year and have driven it 1400 carefree miles - doesn't burn oil(uses 1/3 quart every 1400miles) and just a really nice example.
Beautiful scratch free exterior/close to perfect interior with like-new Temp and Fan buttons(You'll learn about this soon enough) ----> Always garaged and I purchased from fellow RL Member in San Francisco California last July 2018
Here are the details:
07 C4S - 76K miles - Meteor Grey/Black leather
-Adaptive/Heated Sport Seats
-PSE (Porsche Sound Exhaust)
-Function first Short Shift Kit
-H&R Springs
-Newer Michelin Tires
-Newly professionally restored 19" Lobster Fork Wheels
**New clutch, RMS, water pump, thermostat brake flush, brakes, coolant flush, oil/filer/belt service all done by Aker's Porsche in December 2018 less than 350 miles ago.
Carfax shows front bumper accident in 2010---> All work done beautifully with excellent paint work/color match or I wouldn't have purchased it--->: Clear Bra applied in 2010, no rock chips/etc
Would sell for $37,500 which is a good deal and I prefer dealing w/RL members
Thanks your consideration is much appreciated! Beautiful car! I need to find a way to see some of these grays and silvers in person. I know photos don't do most paint jobs much justice.
I typically lean toward the darker tones: graphites, various blacks,with metallics, midnight blues and dark greens etc. Are the H&R springs a performance spring, or do they lower as well? I'm not familiar with all the upgrades yet.
I think, at the moment, I'm leaning towards cars with PASM and Sport Crono (or just Sport if it's installed as an aftermarket item, I don't think I need the clock).
Here's an interesting car. Not sure if I should proceed with it...
2011 CS coupe with PDK - 75k+ miles (Sport Crono, Sport Plus, PASM, Sport Adaptive Seat/ leather, Aerobat Cup)... only $39k (that's right, $39k)
I'm told it's a clean title/ CarFax (will verify), no accidents etc.
The problem is when I google the VIN it shows up on an auction site with the driver side air bag blown and front right corner damage. It doesn't seem like the wheel had been hit, but it's hard to say. I don't mind buying a car with body damage, it can always be fixed.
My thought is to have it taken in for an alignment check prior to a PPI and see if there is any immediately apparent suspension damage. If that checks out, then have a through PPI done and see what comes up. If everything green lights, aside from some possible mediocre body work (uneven body panel gaps at fenders and hood?), then go for it.
I think you'd be able to see if the underbody panels aren't lining up with oem fasteners or the floorboards are wrinkled to see if the unibody is badly whacked.
Even if I had to tram the car to straighten it out a bit ($6-7k?) it might be worth the investment? If I can get a 2011 car for 2006 pricing (similar miles, and features), probably worth the investigation?
Because my car will be parked outside I don't want to buy a car with a garage queen pedigree. I don't want to be responsible for taking the shine off a prefect Porsche!
Just me, but if I'm prepared to spend $35k on a car I'm not buying one that's had serious collision damage. Does this black one now have a salvage title?
Just me, but if I'm prepared to spend $35k on a car I'm not buying one that's had serious collision damage. Does this black one now have a salvage title?
I just pulled a report and according to Carfax it does not have a salvage title. NHTSA says frontal airbags can deploy from as low as 8-14mph. Not insignificant, but not a death sentence for a car. I wonder what they hit...
If a PPI checks out, specifically regarding suspension alignment (and making sure they didn't replace the airbag with a bag of microwave popcorn), it seems like this car wouldn't depreciate for quite some time. At a local Porsche dealer there's a '03 and '05 CS (each with about 30k miles) with less features listed over $40k. Granted they are ultra low mile clean cars, but being able to get a car that's technologically 7-9 years newer for similar money is attractive.
This would safely get rid of IMS (addressable) and bore scoring (a legitimate concern), but trade those for the mystery damage/ airbag deployment.
On a side note, if I were to go with the PDK I much prefer the paddle shifters in the '11 vs the buttons on the steering wheel as in the '10s
That's a very compelling price for that car. The damage looks very localized but I would put it up on a lift and pay extremely close attention to all of the suspension components on the passenger side, as well as tire wear and the way it rides and stops at a wide range of speeds.
And just so you know, Carfax is fallible (very). I wouldn't believe that a car had a clear title until i saw the actual title. And even then i might call the DMV to make sure the previous registration wasn't in a state where washing titles is easy.
04-16-2019, 10:39 PM
and just a really nice example.
) ----> Always garaged and I purchased from fellow RL Member in San Francisco California last July 2018
