997.2 GTS 6mt or 997.1 turbo 6mt?
02-25-2019, 08:05 PM
#16
Burning Brakes
02-25-2019, 09:59 PM
#17
Rennlist Member
I don't want manual, but the one I really want is for sale at the same place I bought my C2S: https://www.phillipsauto.com/vehicle...ca-id-18985662. But, I don't think I can put enough money in my car bank account before somebody else buys it.
02-26-2019, 02:02 AM
#18
Nordschleife Master
You need to go drive a turbo, then decide - even though both are 997s, they're different cars. If you live that instantaneous response from the accelerator pedal, that's only possible with a NA or supercharged car, but not a turbo. If you're OK with building boost and then prefer the feeling like you're in a het taking off on a runway, then the turbo is better. I have to tell you though if you go drive a turbo, that boost rush is addictiv.
02-26-2019, 08:10 AM
#19
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No disagreement on that. My only problem with the turbos is the exhaust. May seem silly but I want a 911 regardless of trim to sound like one and I've yet to hear a turbo that did. You can do all kinds of things with turbo exhausts but they're all past the turbos where all the grunt is disappearing so it seems difficult to recover it. If someone has a different take on this or a good solution I'd love to hear about it. Looking at turbos as possible replacements for the GTS.
02-26-2019, 08:32 AM
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I have never, not once, been bothered by the sounds of my turbos while driving them, but I have also never considered any NA 911 sound to be truly exotic or intoxicating.
Porsche turbos are amazing, over engineered cars and once you go turbo, it is a very difficult to go back to any NA 911 for street application. There is just always so much power on tap you actually feel like you are driving something special. Perhaps the power and the feel of the way they drive just distracts me from having a care in the world about sound. They will truly put a smile on your face the way they pull
Porsche turbos are amazing, over engineered cars and once you go turbo, it is a very difficult to go back to any NA 911 for street application. There is just always so much power on tap you actually feel like you are driving something special. Perhaps the power and the feel of the way they drive just distracts me from having a care in the world about sound. They will truly put a smile on your face the way they pull
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02-27-2019, 12:28 AM
#21
Three Wheelin'
I am still kicking myself for passing on a 38k mile GT Silver 997.1 TT manual at the local specialty dealer in late 2017! Best $68,000 I could have ever spent.
The car was absolutely ridiculous: so fast and locked down compared even to my 991. In the end, I was "worried" about owning a 10-year old car and facing large repair bills. It would have been worth it, and certainly worth more today.
GTS is nice (I would own one if they could be found for a reasonable markup over a C2S), but I have driven both extensively, and a C2S with the sport options is the same, minus a little bit of power. The GTS is not an $80k car compared to a $60k version of a C2S. It is nice, but it isn't "special". I passed on one to buy my first 991 C2S (which had all of the sport options). The 991 was smoother, and better HP/weight ratio, and just felt more alive. The weight difference is substantial, as were the suspension improvements vs the 997.2. Of course, from a financial perspective, the 997.2 GTS would have held value better (this one had 18-ways, PDK, and the Aerokit), and both were $78,000, but the 991 is the better car, IMO, both looking and driving.
Now, looking at a 997.2 C2S manual for $55-60k: that is a completely different question, and a much tougher decision. I am not willing to pay for collectibility, but certainly a $60k 997.2 C2S vs a $75k 991 C2S is an interesting value to performance proposition! I would be all over a GTS for $65k, but at $80k, it seems like paying a lot more for something I don't appreciate (rarity).
The car was absolutely ridiculous: so fast and locked down compared even to my 991. In the end, I was "worried" about owning a 10-year old car and facing large repair bills. It would have been worth it, and certainly worth more today.
GTS is nice (I would own one if they could be found for a reasonable markup over a C2S), but I have driven both extensively, and a C2S with the sport options is the same, minus a little bit of power. The GTS is not an $80k car compared to a $60k version of a C2S. It is nice, but it isn't "special". I passed on one to buy my first 991 C2S (which had all of the sport options). The 991 was smoother, and better HP/weight ratio, and just felt more alive. The weight difference is substantial, as were the suspension improvements vs the 997.2. Of course, from a financial perspective, the 997.2 GTS would have held value better (this one had 18-ways, PDK, and the Aerokit), and both were $78,000, but the 991 is the better car, IMO, both looking and driving.
Now, looking at a 997.2 C2S manual for $55-60k: that is a completely different question, and a much tougher decision. I am not willing to pay for collectibility, but certainly a $60k 997.2 C2S vs a $75k 991 C2S is an interesting value to performance proposition! I would be all over a GTS for $65k, but at $80k, it seems like paying a lot more for something I don't appreciate (rarity).
02-27-2019, 01:56 AM
#22
Nordschleife Master
10-04-2022, 01:09 AM
#23
Since value of the GTS 997.2 manuals appear to have caught up in pricing of a 997.1 Turbo manuals now. Between the 2 manual cars, which one drives better (more fun behind the wheel) and will have better resale value in the next 5-10yrs from today?
