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Old 01-12-2019, 04:21 PM
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2009 C2S 130K miles

Quiz: who said this? "They are GT cars!"

Hint: Tiff Needell

I my opinion, to be a sports car, you must be sub-3000 LB at a minimum...... My 2000 Boxster S was more of a sports car than my 2009 C2S.... Anywho... check the vid below.

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Old 01-12-2019, 04:41 PM
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I don't disagree. Many of the North American auto manufacturers (think Ford) use Sport to indicate a mid-range trim level. In the same train of thought as Bruce, I would say a base-Carrera is more of a sports car than a Turbo (S). Obviously the GT cars are not GT cars, but are rather GT cars (they need to better differentiate GT vs GT).

That being said, when compared to a Taurus or Accord, my 997.2 C2S is definitely a sports car.

Perhaps it's not an absolute scale? Is a 1980 911 SC more of a sports car than today's Carrera's? Based on your weight criteria, yes, despite them being, in essence, the same model.
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The dumbest debate ever. A 911, any year, is a true sports car, so are Ferraris, Lambos and etc. A Boxtter does not even get me excited.
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Originally Posted by Bruce In Philly
In my opinion, to be a sports car, you must be sub-3000 LB at a minimum......
Tend to agree with this. I have a tough time considering anything over that a sports car. I've given my 911 a good bit of weight loss and will continue to. For the next 911 I get I intend get one that is even lighter. As the 911 gains weight it moves further from being a sports car in my view, regardless of lap times or absolute performance.

The term sports car is one of those things that has the goal posts keep moving as time marches on. But changing what a sports car is thought of as also changes what the experience is. If a 3,800lb lard *** (GTR for example) is now considered a sports car.. the feeling of lightness in a miata (a real sports car) or other actual sports car is lost from what makes a sports car a sports car. Then we are defining not only a different kind of vehicle but a different experience from that when we discuss 'sports car feel'

A modern 911 at 2800lbs or so would get me buying a new 911 in a heartbeat.
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agree.
Old 01-12-2019, 06:50 PM
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So to be a super model, a girl must be 90 lbs, even if she is ugly, can't walk the runway, and does not fit her clothes very well? I think I see the fallacy of the argument.
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911s are definitely SUV's
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Originally Posted by Doug H
The dumbest debate ever. A 911, any year, is a true sports car, so are Ferraris, Lambos and etc. A Boxtter does not even get me excited.
Agreed. I don't get all the stress & worry about classifying these cars on RL. Just enjoy them - whether it be driving, detailing, collecting, modding, etc...T
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I don't know. Why is every girl who's ever been in a **** film a **** "star", instead of merely a **** "actress"? : )
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Originally Posted by Bruce In Philly
2009 C2S 130K miles

Quiz: who said this? "They are GT cars!"

Hint: Tiff Needell

I my opinion, to be a sports car, you must be sub-3000 LB at a minimum...... My 2000 Boxster S was more of a sports car than my 2009 C2S.... Anywho... check the vid below.

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I hear what you're saying but I also have a hard time excluding - just as a sampling - the cars below as sports cars because of their slightly above 3,000 lbs. weight.

2018 Porsche 991 GT3 RS....3,153 lbs.
https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/9...turesandspecs/

McLaren P1.....3,411 lbs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLaren_P1

Ferrari 458.....3,450 lbs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_458

Lamborghini Huracan.....3,135 lbs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_Hurac%C3%A1n

Tough to find true high performance cars below that 3,000 lb. limit. Note that I left out out "sports" before I printed cars
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Originally Posted by Doug H
The dumbest debate ever. A 911, any year, is a true sports car, so are Ferraris, Lambos and etc. A Boxtter does not even get me excited.
Of course.
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Didn’t sports cars once mean those cars with a rag top?
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Originally Posted by rap
Didn’t sports cars once mean those cars with a rag top?
Ah! I like this one. I have a true sports car!
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Bruce in Philly, you must be bored. Eagles fan?? Fly Eagles fly!
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Originally Posted by rap
Didn’t sports cars once mean those cars with a rag top?
Or no top, like a Porsche 550. My 914 is a sports car. My 997 is just awesome and you can call it whatever you like.


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