997 blown away - just rode in a Tesla
#136
Nordschleife Master
#137
Rennlist Member
Not really. California state gas tax (the part that's supposed to cover infrastructure) is $0.30/gallon. If your car gets 36mpg and you drive 12K miles per year, you'll consume 333 gallons of gas. 333 * $0.30 = $100.
#138
Burning Brakes
Originally Posted by andy92782
I used to be a hater just like you, but then I came to the realization that this was the only way for an angry white man like me to get a big, fat gobmint handout. F*** it, I'm in!
#140
Nordschleife Master
The average car on CA roads does not do 30MPG, thus the burden of road maintenance is fundamentally on gas powered cars. In addition everyone subsidizes EV purchases and 'free' EV charging wherever available. Not a level playing field.
#141
#142
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The taxpayer doesn't provide free EV charging. Local to me there are only a handful of free public charging stations. They're run by a company called Volta and they're installed in shopping centers (in my case, the nearby Whole Foods). The retail properties subsidize them as a way of attracting buyers. Certain Tesla drivers get lifetime free charging at Tesla Superchargers but that's subsidized by the Tesla shareholder, not the taxpayer. Tesla doesn't offer this any longer, BTW.
#143
Nordschleife Master
Please tell me if this is good automotive engineering:
Note (i) the feeble lower structure of the battery pack, (ii) laughable rocker beam strength, (iii) accident prone threading of heavy electrical cabling around sharp metal bends, (iv) battery lack of modularity or serviceability.
No wonder that any little undercarriage scratch or bump causes a fiery inferno.
Wait for the Taycan and witness an EV built right, if you want an EV, that is.
Note (i) the feeble lower structure of the battery pack, (ii) laughable rocker beam strength, (iii) accident prone threading of heavy electrical cabling around sharp metal bends, (iv) battery lack of modularity or serviceability.
No wonder that any little undercarriage scratch or bump causes a fiery inferno.
Wait for the Taycan and witness an EV built right, if you want an EV, that is.
#144
Electric cars will be the utility vehicle in household, daily driver, cheap around town transportation and with a potential life of a million miles, totally disposable. The self driving drone that handles the mundane tasks of driving a repeated route. Vanilla car stamped out one after another with little difference ( an electric engine is an electric engine is an electric engine). The Porsche, although I just drove a 18 GTS and was not “blown away” and was no comparison to my 997.2 GT3. The Porsche will offer the unusual in a sea of commonality. Life is becoming a “one off” custom affair and Porsche positions themselves to cater to the small minority who demand the out of the ordinary...they scream “I want something different and special” is what pumps blood through Porsche. One only has to visit a cars and coffee and see the turnout of youngsters, millennials (yes surprising millennials) and the senior set. You don’t see a line of Tesla’s lined up with all ogling over the same car in a different color. Is the ICE going to be a thing of the past, probably not, but I could see 2/3 electric and 1/3 ICE with the 1/3 being “special models” like GT3, GT2, Dodge hellcat, Nissan GTR or any other low production model. I don’t see us hold up in our houses conducting all activity from a iPhone with little human face to face interaction. We are all in trouble if that were to occur including someone losing desire to get behind the wheel of a ICE with throaty exhaust traversing the pacific coast highway. So hold onto those great aircooled/water cooled examples for there will come a time with nostalgic history of our country will demand to have something nobody else does.
#145
Nordschleife Master
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The taxpayer doesn't provide free EV charging. Local to me there are only a handful of free public charging stations. They're run by a company called Volta and they're installed in shopping centers (in my case, the nearby Whole Foods). The retail properties subsidize them as a way of attracting buyers. Certain Tesla drivers get lifetime free charging at Tesla Superchargers but that's subsidized by the Tesla shareholder, not the taxpayer. Tesla doesn't offer this any longer, BTW.
The taxpayer doesn't provide free EV charging. Local to me there are only a handful of free public charging stations. They're run by a company called Volta and they're installed in shopping centers (in my case, the nearby Whole Foods). The retail properties subsidize them as a way of attracting buyers. Certain Tesla drivers get lifetime free charging at Tesla Superchargers but that's subsidized by the Tesla shareholder, not the taxpayer. Tesla doesn't offer this any longer, BTW.
#146
Burning Brakes
Originally Posted by ADias
Anything 'free' to someone is paid by others. Someone pays Volta so that you can have your free charge; that business passes the cost to all its customers. When businesses offer free charging to employees who do you think ultimately pays for that? I learned long ago that there is no free lunch, except, of course, when true friends meet, and even then when a friend gives me a free lunch, he pays for it.
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#148
If we switch the 36mpg car out for one that gets 24mpg, the annual tax would increase from $100 to $150. Not a ginormous difference. Besides, if you don't like paying your unfair share of gas tax, there's nothing stopping you from driving a more efficient vehicle.
The taxpayer doesn't provide free EV charging. Local to me there are only a handful of free public charging stations. They're run by a company called Volta and they're installed in shopping centers (in my case, the nearby Whole Foods). The retail properties subsidize them as a way of attracting buyers. Certain Tesla drivers get lifetime free charging at Tesla Superchargers but that's subsidized by the Tesla shareholder, not the taxpayer. Tesla doesn't offer this any longer, BTW.
The taxpayer doesn't provide free EV charging. Local to me there are only a handful of free public charging stations. They're run by a company called Volta and they're installed in shopping centers (in my case, the nearby Whole Foods). The retail properties subsidize them as a way of attracting buyers. Certain Tesla drivers get lifetime free charging at Tesla Superchargers but that's subsidized by the Tesla shareholder, not the taxpayer. Tesla doesn't offer this any longer, BTW.
#149
Nordschleife Master
I loved Tesla when it started here in Silicon Valley, eons ago, as a an EV 'skunk works' enterprise. It all went down to hell when Elon took it over from its founder, and making it a cult enterprise with all the ills misplaced-cults have.
#150
Rennlist Member
Anything 'free' to someone is paid by others. Someone pays Volta so that you can have your free charge; that business passes the cost to all its customers. When businesses offer free charging to employees who do you think ultimately pays for that? I learned long ago that there is no free lunch, except, of course, when true friends meet, and even then when a friend gives me a free lunch, he pays for it.