Nova997

Sadly many people believe that their environmental footprint goes down by using an electric vehicle. The reality is that the electricity unless it is created by solar or wind power, is created by natural gas, oil or coal. My state generates 90% of its electricity from natural gas, 2% is generated from coal (down from 10% in the last 8 years), renewable energy accounts for only 5%. While natural gas is a better option than coal or oil, we still have a long way to go before the oil companies need to get nervous. I imagine that the oil / gas companies will look to squeeze every drop of oil / gas that they can from the earth until they move forward with renewable energy as their main product.

HenryPcar

I'm retired and is enjoying my Porsche a lot and I do drive it. However, if I am still working, no doubt EV cars will be my daily driver. There is no denying that our personal vehicles has evolved and the ICE cars will eventually be replaced by EVs. Just like the locomotive that started as steam engines burning coal and wood logs, then evolve into diesel and now into mag bullet trains. The trend is very obvious for our vehicle. A lot of folks here are in denial, but this evolution is in progress and EV will be mainstream sooner then you think.

tomc_mets

Yes, but is public transportation better than driving an EV?!?
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Chef Sheff

While no EV will replace my C2S, I do have to say that if you are dismissing EV or Tesla as a commuter or around-town option because of preconceived notions, looks or assumptions, maybe try it first? I was a Tesla "dismisser" for years while all my Bay Area friends swooned. Test drove a Model S and it was below average, outside of the tech. But then a good friend let me bash his Model 3 dual-motor around the mountain roads near Woodside/Pescadero/Pacifica for two hours and HOLY crap. The earlier comparison to an earlier 3-series was pretty apt, but add instantaneous torque, 4-wheel torque vectoring, one-pedal driving, etc. I was also impressed that in those two hours of pushing hard, I only went through about a quarter of the battery.

For now, I drive a Bolt as my daily commuter and I love it. Yes, it's ugly and handles poorly. But with 45 miles round trip every day, free L2 charging at work, a 240 mile range and a cheap lease, it handles all the LA freeway/etc and bad neighborhood trips that would be a waste of mileage in the C2S for next to nothing. The biggest fringe benefit is that when I get into my C2S 2-3 times per week, it feels like a really special event with sounds and smells and vibrations and grip and this cool manual gear shift lever to hold onto. I never take it for granted. Best of both worlds, really.

nick2413

Agreed. Porsche himself said ''a car that just gets you from A to B doesn't go far enough'

sandwedge

A good start would be for the "resisters" to finally accept that the PDK is not an automatic transmission. There's no torque converter and the actual transmission is the same seven speed manual used in the traditional manual cars but with a dual clutch system that operates without a clutch pedal. It can be shifted manually with your right hand on the shift lever just like a regular manual. Difference is that you don't have that third pedal and you don't move the gear lever in an H pattern. Just forward and aft. I don't see this as a big deal in return for incomparable performance but a small number of die hards still do. And that number is small (10%) and getting smaller.

sleepy

Gearbox debate in a Tesla thread?

Tesla has shown us even PDK is obsolete in the face of 2.5 second 0-60, a family sedan no less. Any shifting slows you down, period.

strickrn

i drove my friends Tesla too. Afterward, I cranked my 385 HP, naturally aspirated manual six speed with rear wheel drive and never thought about the Tesla again. The market changes based on how we behave. The 10 year old iPhone comment really stuck with me. I can’t see buying a Tesla today.

justabout

wc11

Take a minute and read about lithium mining.

https://www.thermofisher.com/blog/mi...cars-be-mined/

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lith...ronment-impact

TommyV44

Forget about Electric vs. ICE.....I won't buy a 991 because I hate the way it looks so how could I buy a Tesla! I know when I'm walking away from it I won't turn around to admire that bizarre looking thing!

yvesvidal

Yes, Lithium Mining is not clean.....but so is Crude oil. Remember the Gulf of Mexico?

Yves

Nova997

In NYC, yes (of course I wouldn't expect a Mets fan to agree with a Yankees fan).

michaelo

Blah, blah, blah...they said the same thing when quartz watches came out, then they said it again when cell phones came out....and yet still we have mechanical watches. The watch industry (horology) is doing better than ever.