PASM Customization, Sports Mode.
#1
PASM Customization, Sports Mode.
Does anyone have ideas or experience with customizing the PASM function. Currently with my 2009, 997.2 4S the PASM will switch on automatically when either the Sport Mode is switched on or the Sport Chrono Plus is activated (I reslize I can manually switch it of there after). What I would like is for it not to switch on when the Sport Mode button is activated. However for the PASM to continue coming automatically when the Sport Chrono Plus is activated!
Thank you in advance for any help on this matter.
Thank you in advance for any help on this matter.
#2
Nordschleife Master
Not possible as stock. It is not difficult to press SC Sport on ans PASM off in sequence; just part of a cockpit checklist routine.
#3
RL Community Team
Rennlist Member
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2009 C2S 127K miles
I am picking up you don't like the PASM setting.... I thought Porsche did a sub-optimal job on this car honestly. Try this... I keep mine in Sport mode all the time now.
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-foru...y-opinion.html
Peace
Bruce in Philly
I am picking up you don't like the PASM setting.... I thought Porsche did a sub-optimal job on this car honestly. Try this... I keep mine in Sport mode all the time now.
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-foru...y-opinion.html
Peace
Bruce in Philly
#4
#6
Don't like PASM Sport mode?
Have you considered upgrading to the DSC Controller for PASM?
It decouples the PASM button from the SPORT button.
Addtionally, it makes the Sport setting for PASM much more tolerable....even comfortable to drive on the street!
I personally love it. I have SPASM and was having buyers remorse until I got the DSC Controller. It's that good around town.
997 DSC Controller
It decouples the PASM button from the SPORT button.
Addtionally, it makes the Sport setting for PASM much more tolerable....even comfortable to drive on the street!
I personally love it. I have SPASM and was having buyers remorse until I got the DSC Controller. It's that good around town.
997 DSC Controller
#7
Rennlist Member
Have you considered upgrading to the DSC Controller for PASM?
It decouples the PASM button from the SPORT button.
Addtionally, it makes the Sport setting for PASM much more tolerable....even comfortable to drive on the street!
I personally love it. I have SPASM and was having buyers remorse until I got the DSC Controller. It's that good around town.
997 DSC Controller
It decouples the PASM button from the SPORT button.
Addtionally, it makes the Sport setting for PASM much more tolerable....even comfortable to drive on the street!
I personally love it. I have SPASM and was having buyers remorse until I got the DSC Controller. It's that good around town.
997 DSC Controller
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#9
Have you considered upgrading to the DSC Controller for PASM?
It decouples the PASM button from the SPORT button.
Addtionally, it makes the Sport setting for PASM much more tolerable....even comfortable to drive on the street!
I personally love it. I have SPASM and was having buyers remorse until I got the DSC Controller. It's that good around town.
997 DSC Controller
It decouples the PASM button from the SPORT button.
Addtionally, it makes the Sport setting for PASM much more tolerable....even comfortable to drive on the street!
I personally love it. I have SPASM and was having buyers remorse until I got the DSC Controller. It's that good around town.
997 DSC Controller
thank you I will explore further.
#11
Have you considered upgrading to the DSC Controller for PASM?
It decouples the PASM button from the SPORT button.
Addtionally, it makes the Sport setting for PASM much more tolerable....even comfortable to drive on the street!
I personally love it. I have SPASM and was having buyers remorse until I got the DSC Controller. It's that good around town.
997 DSC Controller
It decouples the PASM button from the SPORT button.
Addtionally, it makes the Sport setting for PASM much more tolerable....even comfortable to drive on the street!
I personally love it. I have SPASM and was having buyers remorse until I got the DSC Controller. It's that good around town.
997 DSC Controller
#12
Three Wheelin'
I noticed that once I got Eibach Proline springs, the PASM started making a lot more sense as far as usability goes on streets and in the canyons of LA. With the slightly stiffer than the sport S whatever springs, the PASM shock setting is much more dampered rather than harsh as it was on the OEM sport springs.
After 8 months of using PASM, I usually do:
normal everything in LA traffic.
Sport with PASM off for no traffic blasting on most freeways and streets.
Sport with PASM on for canyons and I am assuming at the track but I noticed it is bouncy in tight corners with rough surfaces, so I am thinking this might stop me from using PASM at tracks like Buttonwillow (especially On Ramp), and for sure Streets. I also worry that that last butt clencher turn on WSIR before the straights might lead me to leave it off at WSIR.
At this point, I can see myself ditching the whole system when the shocks go for some KWs or Ohlins but I would be open to Damptronics if they are much better than the OEM PASM.
It isn't apples to apples but I did notice my friend ditched his in a Golf R and then later in an F80 M3 ZCP, so I wonder if there are people out there that love PASM type suspension, and if so, what makes it more usable than what I am experiencing in my .1 C2S?
EDIT: Also, I noticed a lot of auto journalists seem to turn suspension to normal and everything else to aggro for most cars with this option when reviewing. I am finding myself in this boat after many months of trying different things out on different roads.
After 8 months of using PASM, I usually do:
normal everything in LA traffic.
Sport with PASM off for no traffic blasting on most freeways and streets.
Sport with PASM on for canyons and I am assuming at the track but I noticed it is bouncy in tight corners with rough surfaces, so I am thinking this might stop me from using PASM at tracks like Buttonwillow (especially On Ramp), and for sure Streets. I also worry that that last butt clencher turn on WSIR before the straights might lead me to leave it off at WSIR.
At this point, I can see myself ditching the whole system when the shocks go for some KWs or Ohlins but I would be open to Damptronics if they are much better than the OEM PASM.
It isn't apples to apples but I did notice my friend ditched his in a Golf R and then later in an F80 M3 ZCP, so I wonder if there are people out there that love PASM type suspension, and if so, what makes it more usable than what I am experiencing in my .1 C2S?
EDIT: Also, I noticed a lot of auto journalists seem to turn suspension to normal and everything else to aggro for most cars with this option when reviewing. I am finding myself in this boat after many months of trying different things out on different roads.
Last edited by jamesinger; 09-30-2018 at 10:12 PM. Reason: addendum
#13
Rennlist Member
We answer hundreds of tech support questions each week, one of the most FAQ's is "I don't feel the difference between the two DSC modes as the first impression of using the product".
Think of the factory PASM Normal Mode is a stiffness of ~20%, and factory PASM Sport Mode is a stiffness of ~80%.
With the two factory modes it is very easy to distinguish the difference between 20% and 70%. Which I think its one of the objective of the factory presentation for the potential car buyer to feel a big difference on a test drive within one city block.
DSC command strategy to completely different than PASM.
The standard DSC calibration file(aka the mapping) in Normal mode is a range of 5% to 100% stiffness, in Sport mode is a range of 20% to 100% stiffness.
DSC has active commands based on the load, so the harder the car is driven the more g-force is produced the stiffer the commands become to counter the amount of load in near real time(around every 100 millisecond with stock PASM shocks, 6 millisecond with Tractive shocks).
At zero load(or lower load) it is of course harder to distinguish the difference between the DSC modes(DSC difference between 5% and 20%, versus the factory PASM difference 20% and 80%).
Starting at a lower % stiffness is one of best features of the DSC; This improves comfort and vehicle stability by softer ride approaching a peak of a bump and then adding just enough damping force to settle the car after the peak of a bump to prevent bounce(eliminate or vastly oscillation after bump).
To improve handling performance, DSC starts out soft to allow the tire to "set" and then progressively stiffens the individual shock relative to the load(amount of g-force, rate of the change in g-force, and the direction of the g-force).
If a driver were to expect a big difference in Static stiffness % from DSC by pushing the mode selection button without changing the driving load, then this expectation will not be met.
However, the DSC calibration can be changed to increase the minimum % in Sport mode in order to feel a bigger difference. For example, the DSC Sport mode range can be easily changed from 20%-100% to 40%-100% for personal preference.
We don't expect every driver to like the standard DSC calibration since every driver will have their own personal preference, so DSC provides free tuning software and support to change the calibration.
DSC can be enjoyed "as is" and be custom tuned for preference.
Again, I am sorry to hear DSC didn't meet your expectation.
#14
Sorry to hear your experience using DSC was not positive like all the other DSC users.
We answer hundreds of tech support questions each week, one of the most FAQ's is "I don't feel the difference between the two DSC modes as the first impression of using the product".
Think of the factory PASM Normal Mode is a stiffness of ~20%, and factory PASM Sport Mode is a stiffness of ~80%.
With the two factory modes it is very easy to distinguish the difference between 20% and 70%. Which I think its one of the objective of the factory presentation for the potential car buyer to feel a big difference on a test drive within one city block.
DSC command strategy to completely different than PASM.
The standard DSC calibration file(aka the mapping) in Normal mode is a range of 5% to 100% stiffness, in Sport mode is a range of 20% to 100% stiffness.
DSC has active commands based on the load, so the harder the car is driven the more g-force is produced the stiffer the commands become to counter the amount of load in near real time(around every 100 millisecond with stock PASM shocks, 6 millisecond with Tractive shocks).
At zero load(or lower load) it is of course harder to distinguish the difference between the DSC modes(DSC difference between 5% and 20%, versus the factory PASM difference 20% and 80%).
Starting at a lower % stiffness is one of best features of the DSC; This improves comfort and vehicle stability by softer ride approaching a peak of a bump and then adding just enough damping force to settle the car after the peak of a bump to prevent bounce(eliminate or vastly oscillation after bump).
To improve handling performance, DSC starts out soft to allow the tire to "set" and then progressively stiffens the individual shock relative to the load(amount of g-force, rate of the change in g-force, and the direction of the g-force).
If a driver were to expect a big difference in Static stiffness % from DSC by pushing the mode selection button without changing the driving load, then this expectation will not be met.
However, the DSC calibration can be changed to increase the minimum % in Sport mode in order to feel a bigger difference. For example, the DSC Sport mode range can be easily changed from 20%-100% to 40%-100% for personal preference.
We don't expect every driver to like the standard DSC calibration since every driver will have their own personal preference, so DSC provides free tuning software and support to change the calibration.
DSC can be enjoyed "as is" and be custom tuned for preference.
Again, I am sorry to hear DSC didn't meet your expectation.
We answer hundreds of tech support questions each week, one of the most FAQ's is "I don't feel the difference between the two DSC modes as the first impression of using the product".
Think of the factory PASM Normal Mode is a stiffness of ~20%, and factory PASM Sport Mode is a stiffness of ~80%.
With the two factory modes it is very easy to distinguish the difference between 20% and 70%. Which I think its one of the objective of the factory presentation for the potential car buyer to feel a big difference on a test drive within one city block.
DSC command strategy to completely different than PASM.
The standard DSC calibration file(aka the mapping) in Normal mode is a range of 5% to 100% stiffness, in Sport mode is a range of 20% to 100% stiffness.
DSC has active commands based on the load, so the harder the car is driven the more g-force is produced the stiffer the commands become to counter the amount of load in near real time(around every 100 millisecond with stock PASM shocks, 6 millisecond with Tractive shocks).
At zero load(or lower load) it is of course harder to distinguish the difference between the DSC modes(DSC difference between 5% and 20%, versus the factory PASM difference 20% and 80%).
Starting at a lower % stiffness is one of best features of the DSC; This improves comfort and vehicle stability by softer ride approaching a peak of a bump and then adding just enough damping force to settle the car after the peak of a bump to prevent bounce(eliminate or vastly oscillation after bump).
To improve handling performance, DSC starts out soft to allow the tire to "set" and then progressively stiffens the individual shock relative to the load(amount of g-force, rate of the change in g-force, and the direction of the g-force).
If a driver were to expect a big difference in Static stiffness % from DSC by pushing the mode selection button without changing the driving load, then this expectation will not be met.
However, the DSC calibration can be changed to increase the minimum % in Sport mode in order to feel a bigger difference. For example, the DSC Sport mode range can be easily changed from 20%-100% to 40%-100% for personal preference.
We don't expect every driver to like the standard DSC calibration since every driver will have their own personal preference, so DSC provides free tuning software and support to change the calibration.
DSC can be enjoyed "as is" and be custom tuned for preference.
Again, I am sorry to hear DSC didn't meet your expectation.
Thank you