New Member - Need help with potential 997 purchase
Hi Everyone,
I am currently looking to upgrade my Porsche (2001 Boxster S) to a 911. After looking at countless cars, including some 996's and some 987 Caymans and a failed PPI, I have decided that I want a 997. I found this car at a local dealer, and it appears to be in nice shape with good mods and lots of service history. That said, I have read all the horror stories and want to get some other opinions with regard to the car, price, and the dreaded IMS issues given that it is a 2005 with a March build date (right on the cutoff from what I have read). Please let me know your thoughts (price, condition, etc.). http://www.intersportsales.com/2005-...6/Details.aspx This is the response I received from the dealer when I asked for some more details about the vehicles service history. They will provide me with receipts as well since they maintained it from 2012 onward: 70kmiles oil change 64kmiles minor service 63kmiles get safety and emissions 62kmiles oil change 61kmiles blower fan fuse 59kmiles major service, new ign coil, new plugs, new battery 58kmiles L.E.D. tail-light / front running lights 57kmiles PSS10 suspension, exhaust, alignment ~54kmiles clutch etc, etc Spoke with previous owner, he gave me the two locations he used for service before starting to use our company in 2012. He said he definitely had the clutch replaced. Called around; Porsche dealer shows a clutch job ticket but cannot open it or see exact miles since they have updated their service computer system. They said it was in 2011 which would put the miles around 54k. Thanks for the help! Alan |
All the maintenance records looks nice, I would give it a try. |
Originally Posted by ajgordin
(Post 15159218)
Hi Everyone,
I am currently looking to upgrade my Porsche (2001 Boxster S) to a 911. After looking at countless cars, including some 996's and some 987 Caymans and a failed PPI, I have decided that I want a 997. I found this car at a local dealer, and it appears to be in nice shape with good mods and lots of service history. That said, I have read all the horror stories and want to get some other opinions with regard to the car, price, and the dreaded IMS issues given that it is a 2005 with a March build date (right on the cutoff from what I have read). Please let me know your thoughts (price, condition, etc.). http://www.intersportsales.com/2005-...6/Details.aspx This is the response I received from the dealer when I asked for some more details about the vehicles service history. They will provide me with receipts as well since they maintained it from 2012 onward: 70kmiles oil change 64kmiles minor service 63kmiles get safety and emissions 62kmiles oil change 61kmiles blower fan fuse 59kmiles major service, new ign coil, new plugs, new battery 58kmiles L.E.D. tail-light / front running lights 57kmiles PSS10 suspension, exhaust, alignment ~54kmiles clutch etc, etc Spoke with previous owner, he gave me the two locations he used for service before starting to use our company in 2012. He said he definitely had the clutch replaced. Called around; Porsche dealer shows a clutch job ticket but cannot open it or see exact miles since they have updated their service computer system. They said it was in 2011 which would put the miles around 54k. Thanks for the help! Alan |
Looks pretty clean. Needs new HVAC toggles (MA Carbon is your best bet) and a new shift knob, but otherwise looks pretty clean. You need a DME printout for overrevs and it's a little odd to me that the oil pressure is that low at idle with the engine at that temperature - mine isn't that low unless it's a 100 degrees out and the oil temp is over 200 degrees. Maybe it has 0W/40 in it instead of 5W/40. Get them to send you a picture just after a cold start to see if it's up near the top of the gauge. At 70k miles, you're also in the window where you're going to need to replace the water pump if it hasn't been done already.
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Looks like I was too late. They already received a deposit on the car...I found another that I will be looking at hopefully this weekend.
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you have to get cars inspected never commit before inspection
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What do you guys think about this one? I am waiting to hear back from the dealer regarding the IMS, as it had a clutch job within the last 10K miles in addition to some other service history. I am thinking it was enthusiast owned, given the LED DRL's, clear sidemarkers and alcantara steering wheel. Is 4 owners too many? I have been having a hard time finding cars with only 1 or 2 owners in this price range, year and mileage.
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...180_isFeatured |
I am not an expert by any means, but after having had 2 Porsches with M97 engines without any problems, I think that well mainatined cars with frequent oil changes present a lower risk profile, especially if after 60K plus miles they have not had IMS failure. I would be more concerned about a car that is over 10 years old if it had really low miles.
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I tend to agree, which is why the IMS isn't a dealbreaker for me. Otherwise, is there anything that sticks out about this particular car? It seems like a pretty nice example with regular service history to me, but I don't know everything that I should be looking for.
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Make sure you get the car hot with a test drive, shut it off and restart to check for sluggish cranking (bad cable from positive terminal to Alternator / Starter motor).
That cable is a bitch to change. |
I would go drive the car and see if it speaks to you. People either hold onto their Porsche forever or they flip them every couple years to upgrade. Biggest thing I would say is get your cash or financing done now. The good ones will sell quickly as you may have seen with the last one. If you are willing to travel a lot opens up. I bought mine in California and I drove it home to Texas, loved he drive. |
Looks nice. Maybe try to negotiate a few bucks off if it checks out. Looks like it's been out there a couple months. Whether it's this one or another one, you'll love it and a few bucks either way won't matter a year from now.
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I'm amazed at the number of people wanting these who come to this forum for buying advice, especially when looking at cars from speciality dealers (i.e., not Porsche dealerships). Porsches are just cars, expensive toasters really. I spent months researching Porsches and looked at countless ads, resulting in what I think is a good 'un. Look at ads on this forum, Excellence Magazine. PCA has a Test Drive membership option that gives you access to member For Sale ads. Buy from an enthusiast and you'll be happy.
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Thanks for the constructive feedback...really helpful. You’re assuming I don’t already use all of those other avenues. In fact, I had negotiated a deal with a 911S at a Porsche dealer earlier this week before they came back to me after we agreed on a price asking for more money which i refused. I have also been browsing the PCA classifieds but there are almost no 997.1s that meet my criteria, location, or price range. In the cases of the cars I have posted, they have come with documented service history (this latest one has had an IMS upgrade as I found out this evening). I am relatively new to Porsche’s, coming from the world of Audi’s and BMWs, so I am simply asking for some additional feedback and advice from those who have more experience with these vehicles. |
Originally Posted by ajgordin
(Post 15172300)
What do you guys think about this one? I am waiting to hear back from the dealer regarding the IMS, as it had a clutch job within the last 10K miles in addition to some other service history. I am thinking it was enthusiast owned, given the LED DRL's, clear sidemarkers and alcantara steering wheel. Is 4 owners too many? I have been having a hard time finding cars with only 1 or 2 owners in this price range, year and mileage.
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...180_isFeatured
Price is a little low in my book - when you combine all the above potential areas of concern and the price, to me, it looks like it's priced to try and have someone jump on it quickly. I would give this particular car a more thorough than normal PPI with the boroscope, oil pan pull, compression test, and leakdown test and of course the DME pull for overrev report. It may cost you a couple hundred dollars more than a normal PPI, but may keep you from making a $20,000 mistake. |
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