Metal Shavings in the Oil
06-14-2018, 07:52 PM
#46
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M97.013.8 Liter05-08 Carrera S, 06-08 Carrera 4S, 07-08 Targa 4S997 100 997 TX$17,450.72
List is over $19k and core charge is over $6k.
Once you make it a complete engine, you're in the price range of a track performer from Flat 6 Innovations, and with the factory engine, it's bone stock with zero improvements.
06-14-2018, 07:54 PM
#47
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I think everyone here is getting there panties in a bind.
That oil filter debris doesn't look that bad - I've seen 996's with worse and cause was just normal wear with no possibility of a bad engine or in need of rebuild.
Change the oil, have fun and drive it and then check out the filter after 3K miles
That oil filter debris doesn't look that bad - I've seen 996's with worse and cause was just normal wear with no possibility of a bad engine or in need of rebuild.
Change the oil, have fun and drive it and then check out the filter after 3K miles
06-14-2018, 09:09 PM
#48
Here is my post from last year on the aluminum bits I found and tips and steps to drop the oil pain.
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-foru...er-debris.html
Dropping the pan is pretty easy if you have jack stands and a expert in your area willing to assist, like Wayne Smith did with me. It will also give you the ability to scope the bottom of the cylinders, which is where the scoring is typically found, vs going through the plugs.
What area do you live in? Maybe we can get some local volunteers to help out.
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-foru...er-debris.html
Dropping the pan is pretty easy if you have jack stands and a expert in your area willing to assist, like Wayne Smith did with me. It will also give you the ability to scope the bottom of the cylinders, which is where the scoring is typically found, vs going through the plugs.
What area do you live in? Maybe we can get some local volunteers to help out.
Swap your engine + a bit of cash (i'd say $10-15k) with the guy who wants to build a 4.0 here from a perfectly good 997.1 2006 C4S X51 engine
???
Edit:
After thinking about this a bit the ONLY downside I see for either of you is no longer having matching engine numbers to your chassis.
You get a (assuming) perfectly good UPGRADED X51 engine and he gets his build nearly half subsidized. And obviously you split the cost to R&R the swapped engines.
???
Edit:
After thinking about this a bit the ONLY downside I see for either of you is no longer having matching engine numbers to your chassis.
You get a (assuming) perfectly good UPGRADED X51 engine and he gets his build nearly half subsidized. And obviously you split the cost to R&R the swapped engines.
I changed it at 47 k, around 5 months ago.
06-15-2018, 01:45 PM
#50
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That's not normal wear and tear. Guaranteed. There is internal damage. How long it continues to be driven will dictate what else might get damaged or if it ends up windowing the block. Then you have no core and your only choice is to buy a used engine and roll the dice.
My first 996 had 62K miles on it when I purchased it and my 1st oil change at 62,300 showed MORE metal flakes than the OP's photo.
I drove that car and sold it at 123K miles and never any issues. I have also seen friends oil filters in 964's 993'a with the same amount of metal flakes and there were never any issues with their cars.
Am I missing something here?
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06-15-2018, 06:16 PM
#51
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I am not a mechanic but I have to respectfully disagree with your conclusion that the oil filter shown cut open posted by the OP is cause for concern.
My first 996 had 62K miles on it when I purchased it and my 1st oil change at 62,300 showed MORE metal flakes than the OP's photo.
I drove that car and sold it at 123K miles and never any issues. I have also seen friends oil filters in 964's 993'a with the same amount of metal flakes and there were never any issues with their cars.
Am I missing something here?
My first 996 had 62K miles on it when I purchased it and my 1st oil change at 62,300 showed MORE metal flakes than the OP's photo.
I drove that car and sold it at 123K miles and never any issues. I have also seen friends oil filters in 964's 993'a with the same amount of metal flakes and there were never any issues with their cars.
Am I missing something here?
06-15-2018, 06:50 PM
#52
If this were me, I'd drive the car (assuming that it still drives normal) another 200 miles or so and change it again. This time I'd inspect the filter AND send an oil sample out to have it analyzed. Yes, you're potentially risking a valuable core, but I think you'd have a better idea of whats going on once you got that sample back.
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06-15-2018, 07:12 PM
#53
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If this were me, I'd drive the car (assuming that it still drives normal) another 200 miles or so and change it again. This time I'd inspect the filter AND send an oil sample out to have it analyzed. Yes, you're potentially risking a valuable core, but I think you'd have a better idea of whats going on once you got that sample back.
The spin on oil filter adapter which eliminates the bypass would help prevent any debris from being re-ingested into the engine.
06-16-2018, 04:56 AM
#54
Thanks everyone. My current plan is to drive it locally here and there, drop the pan and change oil and filter. Get oil sample to be analyzed (btw where do I do this?)
Also, how much more would it cost me if I end up ruining my core?
Also, how much more would it cost me if I end up ruining my core?
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06-16-2018, 08:21 AM
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06-16-2018, 09:03 AM
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I think everyone here is getting there panties in a bind.
That oil filter debris doesn't look that bad - I've seen 996's with worse and cause was just normal wear with no possibility of a bad engine or in need of rebuild.
Change the oil, have fun and drive it and then check out the filter after 3K miles
That oil filter debris doesn't look that bad - I've seen 996's with worse and cause was just normal wear with no possibility of a bad engine or in need of rebuild.
Change the oil, have fun and drive it and then check out the filter after 3K miles
06-22-2018, 11:41 AM
#58
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Used oil analysis is good for measuring items in the PPM and is a good indicator of cylinder bore and main/rod bearing, to give a few good examples.
Last edited by Charles Navarro; 06-22-2018 at 07:25 PM.
01-09-2019, 08:04 PM
#59
UPDATE****
How is it going everyone? I wanna finally give you guys an update on the situation. I just had my third oil change since the metal shavings scare. It's been squeeky clean each time with no signs of metal shavings at all! Praise the Lord!
The car has been running well besides getting a p1346 fault code a couple times. So any theories on what could have caused the metal shavings? Btw I just got the magnetic drain plug, so we'll see if that catches anything.
How is it going everyone? I wanna finally give you guys an update on the situation. I just had my third oil change since the metal shavings scare. It's been squeeky clean each time with no signs of metal shavings at all! Praise the Lord!
The car has been running well besides getting a p1346 fault code a couple times. So any theories on what could have caused the metal shavings? Btw I just got the magnetic drain plug, so we'll see if that catches anything.
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01-09-2019, 08:14 PM
#60
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So you've driven about 6000-8000 miles since the drama started?
I'm not surprised at all with your findings - Like I said in my earlier posts, 5 years ago my 996 C4S had identical amount of metal particles in the oil filter and never any issues resulted.
Glad to hear the good news!
I'm not surprised at all with your findings - Like I said in my earlier posts, 5 years ago my 996 C4S had identical amount of metal particles in the oil filter and never any issues resulted.
Glad to hear the good news!
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