Thinking about a Porsche, could use some advice
06-09-2018, 12:30 AM
#1
Thinking about a Porsche, could use some advice
Hello everyone
I am working on getting into another toy and considering how low 997 prices are getting I am definitely considering getting my first Porsche.
A little background on me; my dad has had exotics my whole life. With a few exceptions, all Ferrari. He's had a na 911 that I never got to see. My mom has a cayenne. She mostly had BMW and mb my whole life. In true rebel fashion, I've only had muscle/ pony cars. Recently, I started commuting and bought an aufi a4. I needed something comfortable. Since then, the whole German car idea clicked and since I'm looking at building another car, a 997 makes a lot of sense.
Here's what I'm looking for. Keep in mind I can 100% do this with a few domestic cars, albeit with less style.
4 seats- enough to fit my.3 year old
California smog legal- this is super flexible. Basically needs to 'pass' visual only. Things like swapping cats or tunes don't bother me. Things like swapping turbos do. That being said, modded oem turbos are no problem
Power to weight of.2/pound- 3500 pound car, 700rwhp. This is my goal. It's lofty, especially looking at item 2 on my list. Possible? I'm thinking maybe.
Driveable- I build a ls swapped rx7 that was a total monster but really sucked on trips. Huge cam, ran hot, shook like hell..
So there you have it. Any advice? Am I out of my mind?
Thanks!
I am working on getting into another toy and considering how low 997 prices are getting I am definitely considering getting my first Porsche.
A little background on me; my dad has had exotics my whole life. With a few exceptions, all Ferrari. He's had a na 911 that I never got to see. My mom has a cayenne. She mostly had BMW and mb my whole life. In true rebel fashion, I've only had muscle/ pony cars. Recently, I started commuting and bought an aufi a4. I needed something comfortable. Since then, the whole German car idea clicked and since I'm looking at building another car, a 997 makes a lot of sense.
Here's what I'm looking for. Keep in mind I can 100% do this with a few domestic cars, albeit with less style.
4 seats- enough to fit my.3 year old
California smog legal- this is super flexible. Basically needs to 'pass' visual only. Things like swapping cats or tunes don't bother me. Things like swapping turbos do. That being said, modded oem turbos are no problem
Power to weight of.2/pound- 3500 pound car, 700rwhp. This is my goal. It's lofty, especially looking at item 2 on my list. Possible? I'm thinking maybe.
Driveable- I build a ls swapped rx7 that was a total monster but really sucked on trips. Huge cam, ran hot, shook like hell..
So there you have it. Any advice? Am I out of my mind?
Thanks!
06-12-2018, 02:04 AM
#3
Nordschleife Master
Hello everyone
I am working on getting into another toy and considering how low 997 prices are getting I am definitely considering getting my first Porsche.
A little background on me; my dad has had exotics my whole life. With a few exceptions, all Ferrari. He's had a na 911 that I never got to see. My mom has a cayenne. She mostly had BMW and mb my whole life. In true rebel fashion, I've only had muscle/ pony cars. Recently, I started commuting and bought an aufi a4. I needed something comfortable. Since then, the whole German car idea clicked and since I'm looking at building another car, a 997 makes a lot of sense.
Here's what I'm looking for. Keep in mind I can 100% do this with a few domestic cars, albeit with less style.
4 seats- enough to fit my.3 year old
California smog legal- this is super flexible. Basically needs to 'pass' visual only. Things like swapping cats or tunes don't bother me. Things like swapping turbos do. That being said, modded oem turbos are no problem
Power to weight of.2/pound- 3500 pound car, 700rwhp. This is my goal. It's lofty, especially looking at item 2 on my list. Possible? I'm thinking maybe.
Driveable- I build a ls swapped rx7 that was a total monster but really sucked on trips. Huge cam, ran hot, shook like hell..
So there you have it. Any advice? Am I out of my mind?
Thanks!
I am working on getting into another toy and considering how low 997 prices are getting I am definitely considering getting my first Porsche.
A little background on me; my dad has had exotics my whole life. With a few exceptions, all Ferrari. He's had a na 911 that I never got to see. My mom has a cayenne. She mostly had BMW and mb my whole life. In true rebel fashion, I've only had muscle/ pony cars. Recently, I started commuting and bought an aufi a4. I needed something comfortable. Since then, the whole German car idea clicked and since I'm looking at building another car, a 997 makes a lot of sense.
Here's what I'm looking for. Keep in mind I can 100% do this with a few domestic cars, albeit with less style.
4 seats- enough to fit my.3 year old
California smog legal- this is super flexible. Basically needs to 'pass' visual only. Things like swapping cats or tunes don't bother me. Things like swapping turbos do. That being said, modded oem turbos are no problem
Power to weight of.2/pound- 3500 pound car, 700rwhp. This is my goal. It's lofty, especially looking at item 2 on my list. Possible? I'm thinking maybe.
Driveable- I build a ls swapped rx7 that was a total monster but really sucked on trips. Huge cam, ran hot, shook like hell..
So there you have it. Any advice? Am I out of my mind?
Thanks!
06-12-2018, 08:39 AM
#4
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OP, I think you're in the wrong car universe. IMO any 997 ain't the car for you - but then again I've been a Porsche owner for nary six months. Go look at a 2019 BMW M5; it might be closer to your lofty objectives.
Last edited by swingwing; 06-12-2018 at 09:49 AM. Reason: Added wording.
06-12-2018, 09:31 AM
#6
Get a 996 turbo with a tune. Many 700+ hp examples out there. I think it checks all your boxes above (at least visual smog...)
06-12-2018, 09:44 AM
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Easy goals. Just get a 996tt or an early 997tt. Ain’t gonna happen with a NA with reliable cheap hp. Super charger is an option, but mods to a twin turbo are super cheap and super easy. The Mexger engine iso reliable and can easily handle the mods.
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06-12-2018, 10:04 AM
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Ok, lets give this a shot. I've got some experience in your realm of automobiles.
I'm going to state up front that 600-650 to the wheels seems more reasonable. I see you stated rwhp, so you must be considering doing a GT2 RWD conversion, which given the weight/engine configuration will be a handful even at 600. So this leads to the ever important question, what do you plan to do with the car? Aside from drive it on the street, there has to be a reason you're shooting for 700.
A 600-650 bolt on 997TT is not an issue, just depends on what direction you want to go with the car in general that will change the answer.
I'm going to state up front that 600-650 to the wheels seems more reasonable. I see you stated rwhp, so you must be considering doing a GT2 RWD conversion, which given the weight/engine configuration will be a handful even at 600. So this leads to the ever important question, what do you plan to do with the car? Aside from drive it on the street, there has to be a reason you're shooting for 700.
A 600-650 bolt on 997TT is not an issue, just depends on what direction you want to go with the car in general that will change the answer.
06-12-2018, 10:39 AM
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Point being . . . Back in 02/03 ish, I took a 996tt up to 700 + at the wheels. That was about a $50k or $60k build with internals, but would be much cheaper today.
I spent about the same on a NA 964 back in 04/05 which yielded about 425 at the wheels with a massive torque curve. That was a build out to 3.8 with internals and an insanely expensive stand alone fuel management Lenz system.
I would not even attempt that kind of build on a NA 996/997 because the cases are crap comparatively speaking and are having trouble with factory specs to some degree. Only the Mezger case can handle that type of build once you get out of air cooled and into NA non-9AX water pumpers.
I spent about the same on a NA 964 back in 04/05 which yielded about 425 at the wheels with a massive torque curve. That was a build out to 3.8 with internals and an insanely expensive stand alone fuel management Lenz system.
I would not even attempt that kind of build on a NA 996/997 because the cases are crap comparatively speaking and are having trouble with factory specs to some degree. Only the Mezger case can handle that type of build once you get out of air cooled and into NA non-9AX water pumpers.
06-12-2018, 10:47 AM
#12
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Porsches, traditionally, have been about handling and being a giant killer on the track. Small, nimble, responsive. Red...Green...Screeeech.... that is an American thing. You may be disappointed with Porsche. You should go test drive some and get a feel for them.
Having said this, I have hung around Ferrari owners for a few years (a close friend owned a few) and I will tell you flat out, Ferrari owners are not like Porsche owners. When it comes to talking about go-fast stuff, engine technlogy etc.... Ferrari owners are clueless.. total posing. While Porsche owners have a pretty high percentage of them too, there are quite a few Porsche owners who are motor heads. Just look at the Ferrari club magazine and the Porsche club magazine..... the Ferrari mag is thin and full of pretentios bs... the Porsche mag is loaded with go-fast parts etc.
But muscle is not a Porsche thing.... never was.
Peace
Bruce in Philly
Having said this, I have hung around Ferrari owners for a few years (a close friend owned a few) and I will tell you flat out, Ferrari owners are not like Porsche owners. When it comes to talking about go-fast stuff, engine technlogy etc.... Ferrari owners are clueless.. total posing. While Porsche owners have a pretty high percentage of them too, there are quite a few Porsche owners who are motor heads. Just look at the Ferrari club magazine and the Porsche club magazine..... the Ferrari mag is thin and full of pretentios bs... the Porsche mag is loaded with go-fast parts etc.
But muscle is not a Porsche thing.... never was.
Peace
Bruce in Philly
06-12-2018, 10:56 AM
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I do agree with what you're saying about the Fcar thing, we have a LOT of those guys on track with us because they refuse to be on track with other Fcar owners or there just arent enough HPDEs with their club.
06-12-2018, 11:28 AM
#14
Thanks for the response everyone. Lots of great info.
I want to clarify a few things .
-When I wrote rwhp, I should have written awhp. My mistake. Id prefer awd.
-i also should have clarified I'm not interested in a NA car. I can't imagine the build to get 700 out of an NA car.
-i would not have an m5, nor any modern BMW for that matter. Hugely overrated
-I'm not trying to do the muscle thing, been there done that.
This car will be used for trips with my family, quick runs up the canyon by my house and also roll racing. Hence the power goal. I won't be even near the top of that level but it's a plane with nice balance and is fun. I don't do stoplight racing, even with muscle cars.
Now that I've clarified some things, it appears that a 996tt or 997tt would my best choice? 650awhp works no problem.
So ideally a 997tt, manual, FBO, hybrid turbos?
Thanks!
I want to clarify a few things .
-When I wrote rwhp, I should have written awhp. My mistake. Id prefer awd.
-i also should have clarified I'm not interested in a NA car. I can't imagine the build to get 700 out of an NA car.
-i would not have an m5, nor any modern BMW for that matter. Hugely overrated
-I'm not trying to do the muscle thing, been there done that.
This car will be used for trips with my family, quick runs up the canyon by my house and also roll racing. Hence the power goal. I won't be even near the top of that level but it's a plane with nice balance and is fun. I don't do stoplight racing, even with muscle cars.
Now that I've clarified some things, it appears that a 996tt or 997tt would my best choice? 650awhp works no problem.
So ideally a 997tt, manual, FBO, hybrid turbos?
Thanks!
06-12-2018, 11:43 AM
#15
Burning Brakes
Definitely sounds like the car on which to base your project should be a 996 or 997 Turbo. From there the difference comes to purchase price, with the 996 Turbos considerably cheaper at the moment than 997 Turbos. But the 997s have nicer interiors and exteriors (though of course that is my subjective opinion), plus active suspension. Look at the Turbo builds from BBi Autosport, they've done some nice cars.
Pix of LS swapped RX7 or it didn't happen lol.
Pix of LS swapped RX7 or it didn't happen lol.
