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Apples to apples, I wouldn't trade my 997.1 C2S for it's 991 equivalent. The 991's that I've test driven felt too plush for me. I would only upgrade to a 991 if it were a .2 6 speed GT3.
The natural upgrade for me would be either a 997 GT3 , probably wouldn’t go that way just due to wanting something different as far as a body, a 981 GT4, very likely, or a 991.2 GT3, but not likely due to price. A 991 GT3 would be perfect for me but the oiling issues/finger follower issues would scare me too much. They have a 10 year warranty but by the time I was buying one I would only have 2 years left.
Lol. I'm the same. I spent so much time and energy finding the exact spec 997.2 that I wanted, that it's still seems like a dream to drive it. I personally don't like the interior of 991s. To me, it's too busy & cluttered. A 991 Gen car would have to blow me away, to buy it. PTS GT3 or PTS GTS perhaps. Then, there's the little problem that the missus loves our P-car as much as I do!
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The natural upgrade for me would be either a 997 GT3 , probably wouldn’t go that way just due to wanting something different as far as a body, a 981 GT4, very likely, or a 991.2 GT3, but not likely due to price. A 991 GT3 would be perfect for me but the oiling issues/finger follower issues would scare me too much. They have a 10 year warranty but by the time I was buying one I would only have 2 years left.
I agree 100%. A 991.1 GT3 doesn't appeal to me even with the 10 yr warranty. I want to row the gears and the current ADM plus the dealer games on 991.2 GT3's are ridiculous right now to even justify.
That seems to be a legit and fair deal for that car.
I have driven a 991, it is an amazing car for sure, and I wouldn't count the right one out of my search, but I did shift focus to the 997. As a comfortable touring car with a more modern interior the 991 is certainly an evolved car. But as mentioned above, down the road the gadgetry in the car will become just as dated as the 997 is now, and when that happens, I think the 997 will emerge as the best modern "classic" 911 generation. Considering 991 models are already falling into range of 997.2 models, and clearly can't be done depreciating yet, I do think desirable 997 models will shortly be worth more than average 991 within a year, or less. Especially once the 992 comes out and the 991 generation isn't "current" any more, it will take another drop.
See this photo I took checking out a used 997 at a dealer. On paper the 991 seems ever so slightly larger, but side by side the 997 looks so much smaller, I think in a good way. The biggest difference is how crazy high the rear bumper comes on the 991 once you know to look at it.
That rear bumper on the 991 is what kills it for me. Same width as the 997 on both the NB and WB but man, how did they manage to make it look so clumsy and unappealing? They didn't need any more room back there but it sure looks like they thought they did. Just hideous. To my eyes the best version of it is the GT3 but "best" means least unappealing here.
What brought me to Porsche was driving a 1984 Carrera. That steering feel (no power steering) and feedback was amazing. I had heard about it however you need to experience it to understand. The 993 had it and the 997 has it. If the 991 has lost the feel, they lose me. Porsche has developed the car where you just step on the throttle and steer. Driver involvement is removed. However, I bought my 997 from a 68 year old gentleman. As I age (my 1984 Carrera killed me with noise and ride by age 40) I may actually want the 991 with a PDK. Younger guys- enjoy your 30’s
The front of the 991s look nice - it's the rear that's the killer, like a giant put his lips on the exhaust pipes and blew, puffing it up - too high, too bloated, etc . Also not fond of the exhaust tip placement and prefer fully out to both sides (997s and everything before it) or straight up the center (like the GT3), but not the 2 pipes that divide the rear lower valence into 1/3rds.
My biggest obstacle is that I waited a long time to find a great factory Aero car. I just love the 997S Aero Kit look. If I wanted to find that in a 991 it is VERY hard to find and I'd go from a 37k dollar car that I have to probably a 70K dollar car at a minimum. Thats definitely not the same price category of car and I'd then have to re-evaluate what other car I'd have to ditch to afford it, lol
I've always thought the 991 rear-end looked bloated. The stark contrast with a 997 amplifies that.
I wasn't a fan of it before, but I'm genuinely disappointed by it now.
it's the rear that's the killer, like a giant put his lips on the exhaust pipes and blew, puffing it up - too high, too bloated, etc .
Agree, that's the biggest offense of the 991 design for me. A major component of the classic 911 shape is that tail that quickly falls away from the roof and tucks neatly at the rear. As the car has evolved through the watercooled years, the tail and rear bumper have been fattened up higher towards the roof line, giving it a less pronounced sweep. As a result I think the lines of the 991 are creeping into Aston Martin/Jaguar territory and losing some distinctiveness.
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