More stupid questions...
#1
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
More stupid questions...
Don't worry, I'll run out of them sooner or later. Anyway, here are two more....
1. What are these references to over-revving reports I come across? Don't these engines have decent rev limiters?
2.I also see frequent mentions of not pushing the car hard until the oil temperature gets to operating range. It takes about 20 minutes for the oil temp gauge to move off 150. By then, I'm done driving 90% of the time. Am I interpreting something wrong?
1. What are these references to over-revving reports I come across? Don't these engines have decent rev limiters?
2.I also see frequent mentions of not pushing the car hard until the oil temperature gets to operating range. It takes about 20 minutes for the oil temp gauge to move off 150. By then, I'm done driving 90% of the time. Am I interpreting something wrong?
#2
The overrev report comes from the DME. The car has a rev limiter, and the DME records bouncing off the rec limiter as "overrev" but they are no issue. What you are really looking for are higher level overrev that result from misshifts (eg going from 4th to 1st instead of 4 to 3.
As for the warming up, if you aren't driving it long enough to warm it up, you might not want to read this forum after you buy because you'll be certain you are killing tour engine. So either take the long way, stay off the web, or don't buy.
As for the warming up, if you aren't driving it long enough to warm it up, you might not want to read this forum after you buy because you'll be certain you are killing tour engine. So either take the long way, stay off the web, or don't buy.
#3
Rennlist Member
In the manual cars, an over rev of 1-3 is related to tickling, bouncing and slamming into the rev limiter. Anything in the 4-6 range is from missed shifts.
By not getting the oil up to temp long enough, you don't burn off the water contamination in the oil. By driving hard on cold oil, you are creating friction on thick oil that doesn't circulate and lubricate as well.
By not getting the oil up to temp long enough, you don't burn off the water contamination in the oil. By driving hard on cold oil, you are creating friction on thick oil that doesn't circulate and lubricate as well.
#4
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
I don't typically drive real hard. I may accelerate quickly to about 4000 - 4500 rpm but rarely much beyond that. There just isn't that much room on the roads.
#6
Rennlist Member
That being said, these engines are pretty damn good. If you don't have a 997.1 with bore scoring problems, don't overthink it. Hell, if you do have some scoring (or don't know about it), there are plenty of cars running around with people who drive them in many manners/conditions... and they're fine.
#7
Three Wheelin'
This is a cut and pasted from what already posted:
We've had this discussion before. Say the rev limiter is 7,500 RPMs and you are rapidly approaching this. When your car (the ECU, that is) hits 7,500 rpms an electronic/digital signal is sent to cut fuel delivery, which is an mechanical function. But during the miniscule amount of time it takes for the ECU to register an over-rev and send the signal to cut off fuel, and then for the fuel to actually be cut off, the engine is still increasing RPMs. Thus you have a small Range 1 or 2 over-rev. I wonder for those that run right on the RPM rev limit rivet if they don't actually exceed the limit for a fraction of a second, but by slightly backing off quickly enough to just below the limit no cut-off message is sent. The only way to really know this though is to actually see the ECU coding. But think about it for a second. Why else would Porsche say that Range 1 and 2s are acceptable. I think they understand that this slight time lag exists and the resulting "over-rev" is inconsequential. But take that a step further. If the red line on your engine is 7,500 RPMs, and Porsche knows that the cut-off time lag would rev the engine to a bit above this for a very short time, then is the red line really 7,500 RPMs? I mean Porsche could program the ECU to cut out at 7,300 RPMs so you would never go above 7,500 RPMs (downshifts notwithstanding). So, Porsche knows that your engine is good to a bit above the red line for that short period of time.
In the end, Range 1 or 2 over-revs aren't much of a concern, unless you get a DME that shows thousands or tens of thousands of them - and all this would mean is that the car was driven at its limit a fair amount.
We've had this discussion before. Say the rev limiter is 7,500 RPMs and you are rapidly approaching this. When your car (the ECU, that is) hits 7,500 rpms an electronic/digital signal is sent to cut fuel delivery, which is an mechanical function. But during the miniscule amount of time it takes for the ECU to register an over-rev and send the signal to cut off fuel, and then for the fuel to actually be cut off, the engine is still increasing RPMs. Thus you have a small Range 1 or 2 over-rev. I wonder for those that run right on the RPM rev limit rivet if they don't actually exceed the limit for a fraction of a second, but by slightly backing off quickly enough to just below the limit no cut-off message is sent. The only way to really know this though is to actually see the ECU coding. But think about it for a second. Why else would Porsche say that Range 1 and 2s are acceptable. I think they understand that this slight time lag exists and the resulting "over-rev" is inconsequential. But take that a step further. If the red line on your engine is 7,500 RPMs, and Porsche knows that the cut-off time lag would rev the engine to a bit above this for a very short time, then is the red line really 7,500 RPMs? I mean Porsche could program the ECU to cut out at 7,300 RPMs so you would never go above 7,500 RPMs (downshifts notwithstanding). So, Porsche knows that your engine is good to a bit above the red line for that short period of time.
In the end, Range 1 or 2 over-revs aren't much of a concern, unless you get a DME that shows thousands or tens of thousands of them - and all this would mean is that the car was driven at its limit a fair amount.
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Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
It's not that I want to drive this way. I'd be rear-ending a lot of cars if I didn't. I plan on taking a drive of about 80 miles on the open road on Easter! Now, if it was warm enough to put the top down,it would be perfect! But, snow is forecast. Crap!
#11
Rennlist Member
It's not just based on RPM but also load. Heavy load at RPM is also bad for Flat 6 engines.
#12
Race Director
15 minutes after 170? totally unnecessary.
#13
Rennlist Member
Pores: I imagine all metal to have micro-pores, when the metal is heated, it can hold onto oil better. Like a frying pan on your stove: the metal can absorb some of the oil, aided by the oil becoming a little more viscous due to temp increase.
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