This forum is scaring me away from a 997.1
04-23-2018, 04:29 PM
#106
Nothing ever changes. (grin)
04-23-2018, 04:34 PM
#107
Why can't OEMs just build solid cars that aren't on the edge once out of the warranty period ?
04-23-2018, 05:15 PM
#108
Clutch kit (including flywheel) shouldn't run more than $5.5K parts + labor installed by a Porsche dealer.
This forum is scaring me away from a 997.1 Hopefully I am overreacting. I joined to become and educated consumer, but I feel there is too much of a chance I can drop $44k on a nice, low mileage 997.1 and 2 years later spend $7k on a clutch and $25k on an engine. say it aint so. I think I need to talk to humans instead of reading all the horror stories.
04-23-2018, 06:11 PM
#109
It may cost 30k now to buy in, but you bought a 100k car. You are repairing a 100k car, not a 30k car.
04-23-2018, 08:32 PM
#112
Three Wheelin'
04-23-2018, 09:09 PM
#113
As a former serial house flipper, time heals most all real estate mistakes. So for the 997.1 haters...if worst case scenario happens and "my bores get scored," I will throw another engine in and just keep it longer. The math will set me free after enough time goes by. Tough to find any 911s (including ones from the 80's) for less than 40k. Not fair to count the anomaly of the 996 (side note, I think they will start climbing in value too).
To the dude that's owned 35 911's, wasn't there a snake in the grass with every generation car? Much respect for you, bro...but seems like er'y p-car has sumthin to wig out about. And since we're talking math, 997.2's seem to have 15k premium...so math equation is really 10k engine replace (assuming 25 large for engine). I like Wall Street these days vs real estate, so I will stash my 15 in the market and by the time my bores scorch up with catestrophic engine failure, I will have likely doubled my investment.
Sigh...math is for nerds...anyone drive their rig today??
To the dude that's owned 35 911's, wasn't there a snake in the grass with every generation car? Much respect for you, bro...but seems like er'y p-car has sumthin to wig out about. And since we're talking math, 997.2's seem to have 15k premium...so math equation is really 10k engine replace (assuming 25 large for engine). I like Wall Street these days vs real estate, so I will stash my 15 in the market and by the time my bores scorch up with catestrophic engine failure, I will have likely doubled my investment.
Sigh...math is for nerds...anyone drive their rig today??
04-24-2018, 01:19 AM
#114
Nordschleife Master
FWIW.....on my third 997 now and the only .1 version I had was the most reliable. It was an -06 C4S that I put almost 45K miles on. To the best of my recollection, other than the usual wear and tear items the only things I ever had to repair on that car was the frunk switch in the door sill and the cable for the door handle. About $250 for each item I think. More issues and much more expensive issues on the two .2 cars that followed.
04-24-2018, 01:36 AM
#115
Three Wheelin'
As a former serial house flipper, time heals most all real estate mistakes. So for the 997.1 haters...if worst case scenario happens and "my bores get scored," I will throw another engine in and just keep it longer. The math will set me free after enough time goes by. Tough to find any 911s (including ones from the 80's) for less than 40k. Not fair to count the anomaly of the 996 (side note, I think they will start climbing in value too).
To the dude that's owned 35 911's, wasn't there a snake in the grass with every generation car? Much respect for you, bro...but seems like er'y p-car has sumthin to wig out about. And since we're talking math, 997.2's seem to have 15k premium...so math equation is really 10k engine replace (assuming 25 large for engine). I like Wall Street these days vs real estate, so I will stash my 15 in the market and by the time my bores scorch up with catestrophic engine failure, I will have likely doubled my investment.
Sigh...math is for nerds...anyone drive their rig today??
To the dude that's owned 35 911's, wasn't there a snake in the grass with every generation car? Much respect for you, bro...but seems like er'y p-car has sumthin to wig out about. And since we're talking math, 997.2's seem to have 15k premium...so math equation is really 10k engine replace (assuming 25 large for engine). I like Wall Street these days vs real estate, so I will stash my 15 in the market and by the time my bores scorch up with catestrophic engine failure, I will have likely doubled my investment.
Sigh...math is for nerds...anyone drive their rig today??
04-24-2018, 02:02 AM
#116
Rennlist Member
FWIW.....on my third 997 now and the only .1 version I had was the most reliable. It was an -06 C4S that I put almost 45K miles on. To the best of my recollection, other than the usual wear and tear items the only things I ever had to repair on that car was the frunk switch in the door sill and the cable for the door handle. About $250 for each item I think. More issues and much more expensive issues on the two .2 cars that followed.
)My 997.1 08 c4s (w RWD conversion) has been one of the most reliable car that I have ever owned, from about 30 used cars. I know people get spooked into paying tens of thousands of dollars extra for a 997.2, because they want the insurance that the .2 engine supposedly provides. But, if you work out the math, the premium paid should be about $2k to $5k, not in the tens of thousands.
When I purchased my car I had two options:
OPTION 1
08 997 c4s
white exterior
manual
sport seats black leather
carbon interior
other nice options (like red seatbelts)
$50k CAD
OPTION 2
09 997 c4s
Launch car
Atlas grey
upgraded steering wheel
sport buckets stock(are you kidding me!!!!)
PDK
LSD rear OEM
Talked them down to about $60k CAD
On paper, the 997.2 made a lot more sense. I mean, when you factor in the buckets, you are already even money wise. But, I chose the 997.1. Why? Carerra White was nice plus the manual. You cant convert those later without a huge expense. Everything else you can.
Looking back today, I am very happy I chose the 997.1 over the .2. Unless your engine blows, which is a very small percentage, you would barely notice the difference between the two. And if it does, treat yourself to a flat 6 engine upgrade, courtesy of Jake Raby, with the money you saved. And then youll have something truly special.
PS. Finally found a set of sport buckets for the 997
04-24-2018, 05:12 AM
#117
Looks gorg Halo!
subscribing since I’m always eyeing 997s
subscribing since I’m always eyeing 997s
04-24-2018, 07:15 AM
#118
- much more reliability engineering went in to it
- design validation planning was that much more rigorous and thought out
- reliability testing was executed at a much higher level than a $30k Japanese car
- control and inspection of materials into the plant are world class
- etc etc etc...
04-24-2018, 07:56 AM
#119
I went into my purchase with my eyes open and don’t regret it a bit. My sticker was $120K (just the spec I wanted) and got it for $40K. Not worried about bore scoring. Southern car with a 6-speed, and I take care of it. Could it happen, sure, but odds are it won’t. If it does, I’ll deal with it. In the meantime, I’ll continue to wipe the grin off my face every time I drive it.
04-24-2018, 08:35 AM
#120
Rennlist Member
Well, even the Turbos have their issues. Coolant pipes are epoxied in on the engine and should be welded or pinned (to be safe). That's if the car hasn't had that done already.
However, a $3,000 pinning is a lot cheaper than a engine.
Point is, every year and model has their issues, right on back to the air cooled 911s. Yet, there is no other high performance sports car that comes close to the durability of Porsche.
However, a $3,000 pinning is a lot cheaper than a engine.
Point is, every year and model has their issues, right on back to the air cooled 911s. Yet, there is no other high performance sports car that comes close to the durability of Porsche.
