steam_mill

I called my local Porsche dealer for PPI info. They quoted me $400 cdn plus $15 for provincial (state) safety. I am considering a car with 70000 miles 2006 base C2. Good service history for about 35000 miles. then light service history. Here's the thread:

https://rennlist.com/forums/997-foru...00-milesh.html

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http://www.hmaauto.com/vehicles/2006-porsche-911/

Local Porsche dealer sent me what they do on the PPI. What are your comments on considering a car with light service history with the following PPI (PPI does not include bore scope which I would likely pay separately if this is successful):
VIN matches in all locations and are not altered
Engine for overrev Range 1__2__3__4__5__6__
ALL Recalls / Campaigns have been checked and performed if applicable
Check and document any Diagnostic Trouble Codes - VAL created
Perform Alignment check and print results
Fluid leaking: engine, transmission, transaxles, transfer cases
Inspect Engine oil - level / condition
Check Oil Pressure / Level Guage operation
Check for water / coolant in oil
Check for Oil in air cleaner and / or PCV system
Inspect Timing belt
Drive Belt(s) condition
Cylinder Balance, if misfires / codes detected, compression check required
Engine electrical wiring condition
Engine / transmission mount condition
Inspect Coolant Level / Condition, Freezing / Boiling point ________C
Coolant / Heater hose condition
Inspection Radiator - Condition / tubes / fins for damage and or corrosion
Inspect Cooling Fan / Motor / Blades for condition and operation
Inspect Water Pump for leaks / noise
Inspect Coolant Recovery / expansion / overflow tank
Inspect Fuel pump Noise / Leaks
Inspect Fuel lines and hoses for condition and leakage
Inspect Fuel Filter for condition
Check RON adaptation value ________
Check Auto stop / start function
Inspect Air Filter for condition and replacement
Inspect Catalytic convertor and all factory installed emissions equipment
Inspect Starter Operation
Check charging system (voltage_______, amperage _______ output)
Check Battery Condition (fluid level, corrosion, load test) print readings
Inspect Ignition System operation
Check Glow Plug system operation (cycles on/off)
Transmission Condition (shift patterns / noise / operation)
Automatic Transmission / Transaxle Fluids - condition and level
Manual Transmission / Transaxle Fluids - condition and level
Inspect Transmission mounts for wear and damage
Transfer case for 4x4 switching operation
Inspect Universal Joints / CV Joints / Boots
Inspect Differential / Drive Axle condition (leaks / damage)
Inspect Clutch (adjustment / fluid level)
Hybrid system Coolant (leve l/ condition / concentration)
Hybrid Battery and External charger if applic
Inspect integrity of protective shields, Pilot lines and Disconnects
Hybrid electronic control unit (run diagnostics
Multi-information display (operation)
Diagnostic Scan (check for codes and software updates)
Tire condition - insure size on each axle, tire pressure is set to factory specification incuding spare
Tread Depth LF____ RF____ RR____ LR____ Spare____
Inspect Wheels: correct size condition (curb scratches damage / visual runout, finish)
Inspect Steering wheel alignment during road test
Inspect Power Steering Fluid system for leaks
Inspect Rack and Pinion System for leaks, mounting system, tie rod ends
Inspect Syspension system Control Arms / Ball Joints / Bushings / Tie Rods
Inspect Sway Bar links mounts and end for wear and damage
Inspect Springs for condition and ride height
Inspect Shocks / Struts Operation / leaks and performance
Inspect Calipers / Wheel Cylinders for wear / operation / leaks
Brake Fluid Level and Condition
Brake Pad material in mm (FR_____R_____)
Inspect Rotors / Drums for wear and thickness (FR_____mm, R_____mm)
Inspect Brake lines and hoses for condition and leaks
Inspect Parking brake for operation
Inspect Master Cylinder and booster for operation and leaks
Inspect Body and Chassis for damage, rust, check under carpet and trunk liner
Check doors, bumpers, hood, trunk for aliignment, operation, and damage
Inspect for damange to panels, mismatched paint, improper repairs and overall paint condition
Inspect spoilers and Facia for damage and secure attachment
Inspect Grills and emblems for dents, dings, missing or bent parts
Inspect all glass, windshield for damage, chips, scratches, repairs and proper attachment
Inspect Mirrors for condition and operation
Inspect Windshield Wiper / Washers for condition and operation
Inspect all exterior lights (including headlamps) for condition and operation
Inspect entire exhaust system and tips for condition leaks damage and noise
Check vehicle under panels and engine guards for condition
Air Bags, inspect condition/intact/no system codes/dash light operation. Check for any system repairs or airbag replacement
Door locks, controls, manual or automatic operation
Child safety locks operation
Check seat belt condition and operation (all seats)
Inspect First aid kit (if applicable) check / replace / update contents as necessary
Check emergency trunk release(s)
Window controls manual/automatic check operation and widow lock
Audio System - Check operation and condition PCM version __________
Check reception and antenna condition
Alarm / immobilzer system condition and operation (note any aftermarket installed devices)
Check Navigation system condition and operation
Check Sattelitte radio operaiton (notate radio ID #__________)
Check other PCM features (Telephone, Sport Chrono, Logbook)
Check clock - set accurate time
Check all lighter and power point outlets
Check for ashtray for condition and operation
Check glovebox/center console / armrest operation and condition (including lights)
Check Tilt / telescopic steering wheel operation
Check steering wheel lock operation
Check rearview mirror operation
Check instrument panel lights and gauges for condition and operation
Check all warning light function
Check all interior courtesy light operation including manual switches dome, visor, and map lights
Inspect Air conditioning cabin air filter condition
Heating System (heat, condition, and operation)
Air Conditioning System (cold, condition, and operation)
Check power liftgate / hatch operation / automatic trunk release switch
Check all interior door handle operation
Check horn operation
Check carpet condition and appearance
Check floormat condition and appearance
Check door trim panels / dash pad / package trays and storage areas for appearance, condition, and attachment
Check headliner condition / attachment
Check sunvisor condition, attachment and operation
Check luggage compartment mat / trim / carpet / cargo net condition and operation
Check for jack and tools ensure operation and condition
Check fuel filler door release
Inspect seat upholstery (condition, worn, attachment, ripped, cracked, faded)
Inspect seat headrest adjustments (manual and automatic)
Check power / manual seat operation
Check seat lumbar adjustment operation (power or manual)
Check heated / ventilated seat operation
Check Panaramic / sunroof condition and operation
Defroster / Heated mirrors function
Check convertible top condition, operation, condition of rear window
Check for presence of convertible top boot (if equipped)
Check Starting Cold and Hot
Check Engine Idle quality
Check engine performance / smooth acceleration
Check for engine noise
Check Automatic transmission / transaxle noise
Check Automatic transmission shift points / slippage (smooth/proper shift points)
Check cruise control operation (including ACC)
Check Lane Change Assist, Departure and other driving / parking assistence features
Check drive axle and / or transfercase bearings or gear noise / vibration
Check Clutch operation for smooth engagment, slippage, operation
Check steering rack and pinion for loosness and performance
Check ABS / brake operation, pulling, pulsating / vibration
Check turbo boost function and pressure on gauges
Check all guages / analog and digital for operation and accuracy
Check shift interlock operation
Check all interior courtesy light operation including manual switches dome, visor, and map lights
Check body and suspension for noise harshness, squeeks and rattles
Check Tire Pressure monitoring system operation and light
Check tires for vibration and noise

jll1011

Not sure if you have driven this yet. I believe you had weather issues impeding the ability to test drive. I would drive and then if it felt good, consider the investment in the PPI. You should be able to assess the clutch condition to a certain degree by driving. The pictures of the car look very good. It does look like it is cared for. 2006 is a good year, you don't have to worry about IMS.

That PPI list is pretty extensive. If it passes all of that, it will decrease risk. Oil change history would be important to me if you could get it for recent owner...

rwdds

Even if it is super clean and pampered, with no major engine or mechanical defects, 39,900 is way high. For a base 06 Carrera with 70k miles, I would consider 32-34,000 to be more realistic. If your budget is around 40 grand, look for similar or newer S models.

steam_mill

rwdds

I didn't pay attention, my bad! I meant US $, so the suggested CDN price would seem about right. I also think the total mileage is not a bad thing. I purchased mine with 62,000 miles.

Or, maybe hold off, save a little more, then go for an S. Faster, more desirable and better resale eventually.

Vincent713

I see some discrepancy on the details of the car. On the right it said automatic but clearly it's a 6sp manual. On the bottom is says fully loaded but this car has absolutely no options, not even power seats. Also states it has sport chrono but doesn't. Either the guy who created the ad knows nothing about Porsche or he's just being a salesman. If it all checks out, I think $32k USD is the right price to start but I would definitely negotiate down a little. I have a feeling the salesman will only go down a few hundreds and not in the thousand.

steam_mill

Vincent713

I'm also in the market for a 997 and base on my extensive research on this particular model, the 2009 997.2 performance is only marginal compare to the 997.1. Yes the DFI engine deleted the IMS bearing but this is really no longer an issue with the 06' - 08'. So is the $22,600 premium worth the upgrade? Not in my opinion. If you like the car and everything checks out, go for it.

minion

Hi Steam_mill,
I remember seeing that car on Auto trader when I was looking to buy one this summer. I never ended up visiting the dealer but it's been listed since end of August (maybe??). I ended up picking one up privately in the GTA in September. Price seems good, but with the amount of time the dealer has been sitting on it i'm sure you can get a few grand off. it's worth a try..

steam_mill

Vincent713

Any reasons why you decided to go with the 997.2 over the 997.1? I've driven both and the 997.2 performance isn't really worth the premium $15k+ IMO.

steam_mill

Vincent713

Steam_mill - if Toronto is such a large city, I wonder why there are lack of services there. You guys must have a serious issue if the traffic is worst than LA. I've been watching the market for a 997.1 and I'm also finding a lot of the 2005 models for sale. I guess owners know of the IMSB issues and don't want to deal with it. Fortunately I do have an IMSB certified installer about 25 minutes away but like most places here they are also open from Mon-Fri between 9-6pm.
I was looking at a beautiful 2005 C2S with low mileage, from the engine serial # I was able to find it has the smaller IMSB. So ideally it's 06'-08' models for me, Now I'm running into choices where some are S model some not and some have better options than other. Or great car all around but high mileage. Yeah it's not easy finding just the right Porsche at the right price but keep the faith and keep on searching.

steam_mill

j beede

A couple thoughts:

If your mechanic claims he can predict which bearing you have from the M96 s/n... you might want to check with Charles N. or Jake R. to confirm the mechanic is LNE certified before letting them work on your car's IMSB.

I assume that the $400 includes an oil and filter change. I see some unnecessary or low added value checks on your PPI list--no harm but it makes me wonder if the mechanic is P-car "guy". The list is generic (glow plugs, hybrid system, etc.) and I would think an ace P-car mechanic would have a P-car list, maybe even a 997-specific list. My PPI provider did.

A couple things I would want checked that I may have missed on your list:

• Comprehensive paint thickness check
• Valve cover leaks $$$
• Ferrous particle check in oil filter media
• Interior and "frunk" check for odors, dampness, mold, mildew (especially on a cab)
• Accessory check against the Porsche build sheet and sticker. After getting my 997 I went to load up the CD changer listed on my build sheet. I couldn't find it because it was missing.

My personal favorites on the list were setting accurate time and checking the operation of the rear view mirror. Good luck!