997.2 Prices
 

So in my search for an all wheel drive 997.2 I have come across that Porsche will be coming out with a new 911 in the Fall. So here are some questions for those out there who have been 911 owners and enthusiasts for a lot longer than me.

1. What month this year will the new 2019 911 model be available for purchase?

2. When a new model comes out do you see a big drop in prices of older models as many want to have the latest and greatest Porsche?

3. How much if any will coming out with a new model push down the cost of the current 997.2 market?

I will of course continue to look for what I am wanting, but wonder if I wait 12 months if the prices will go down significantly. Thanks for your help.

The 997's besides Turbos has one big thing going for it long term: last naturally aspirated 911 with hydraulic steering

IMO, and, frankly, I don't pay much attention to the market, because there have already been two series that have come out since the 997.2, I don't believe the 992 will have much of an impact. In fact, if the 992 continues the slide torward GT-dom, the 997.2 should hold value. Of course, that might be wishful thinking on my part.

If you find the car that fits your specs, buy it. Enjoy it for the months you'd otherwise be waiting.

A lot of people don't care for the 991 so it almost seems like that car stabilized the prices of 997's rather than making them drop. And the fact that you (and others) have a hard time finding 997.2 C4's and C4S's may not be a coincidence either. Have no idea what the 992 will be all about but it seems like a new era was entered with the 991 and my guess is that they'll continue down that path.

To the OP - you are way overthinking this. It’s hard enough finding a good car without a history or a story, let alone trying to factor in what a new model intro is going to do to pricing.

Spend your energy finding a good car that is well documented and if you pay a few thousand too
much just amortize it over the years you’ll own and enjoy the car. The extra cost will be less than a latte per day.

1. May
2. No.
3. Zero

I'm an engineer, but in two years or so if the market does well...I'll no longer be one. But yes, quit over thinking things as most engineers do.

You say you'll "probably" live in cold country so you really don't need a C4 now but I understand the desire of the wide look so don't forget the GTS - wide body in both C2 and C4 versions.

I agree with the others. Forget about the 992 or whatever it is or whenever it will come out. If you find the 'right' C4S buy it, you live once and if you really want one get it and don't worry how much it will cost a year from now. A really nice C4S meeting your requirements could take a little while to find. If you were simply looking for say a C2 you could wait and maybe save a couple grand.

As for 992 impact on 997.2 prices, it is more likely to continue to impact the 991.1 prices.

1. Probably August or September/2018.
2. Not much. You see big drops right after warranty expiration.
3. 992 will push down 991's price, not 997.2.

> I will of course continue to look for what I am wanting, but wonder if I wait 12 months if the prices will go down significantly.
Clean and low mileage examples of 997.2 will appreciate in value.

Wishfull thinking ALL cars DEPRECIATE Period And the closer we get to the mission E, even more so. The world is clearly going electric...dont want to be the guy with $200k in a car thats a garage queen when the music stops...

Before the music stops (no gasoline) I'll be long gone and I'm not even 40.

The runup in air-cooled prices, the red-headded-stepchild syndrome affecting the 996 (perhaps undeserved, but nonetheless a fact), and the significant bump in MSRP and paradigm shift of the 991 all conspire to limit the depreciation of the 997. Plus, the low production numbers and 9A1 engine give the .2 an even greater shielding. Unless the 992 comes in at another huge bump in MSRP, the 991's will see the greatest hit in depreciation, so anyone wanting a 991 might be wise to wait, but I don't think it pays to do so with the 997.2. Also, in practical terms, finding just the one you want may very well take you past the intro of the 992 anway.

997.2 AWD Production numbers (world-wide)

C4 - 1748
C4 Cab - 1244
C4S - 9188
C4S Cab - 7775
C4 GTS - 1321
C4 GTS Cab - 957
Targa 4 - 1046
Targa 4S - 2560
Turbo - 3301
Turbo Cab - 1752
Turbo S - 3095
Turbo S Cab - 2055

Woohoo! 1200 997.2 Carrera 4 cabs! My car is now worth $1,000, 000!

I'll take the first $50k.

Thanks for sharing. It would be interesting to see the split between PDK and manual.

On a side note...local Porsche dealer recently offered me what I paid for my C4S 997.2 five years ago.

997.2 values definitely exhibiting an upward trend it appears. My local dealer doesn't even post a full ad when they get one in, because he said clean ones typically sell in a matter of hours sight unseen.

You need to compromise somewhere. If you must have a .2 then you need to drop the AWD, PDK/Manaul, and/or coupe/cab requirements. If you are indifferent to all of those criteria and still cannot get a .2 you need to save a few more bucks.

FWIW, I don't see these cars getting cheaper.

Up here in Canada, it would cost me 5-10 more to by my 2011 C4S cab today, then when I purchased it 2 years ago in Jan 2016.

Why 4S, aside from the wider body? I agree, it looks marginally better! But it doesn't drive as well, having owned both a 2S and 4. Just when things get a little fun, the front wheels engage and pull you out of the corner: it isn't a true rear-engine, classic 911 feel. If winter traction is an issue, get snow tires and you will be fine. Plus, you save weight and complexity with the 2S.

I was a die-hard manual guy too, but PDK is something I could live with on these; I don't think you will be disappointed with a 2-pedal car. I had some time in a PDK a week back, about 80 miles, and was surprised how I didn't get bored. Granted, it was a 991, but I was impressed.

You can also go for higher millage 997.2 or an accident history. A PPI can verify the mechanicals or a proper repair. No time bombs to worry about. Since it's already far down on the depreciation curve racking up miles as a DD would be worry free.

FWIW.....I've been in similar situations a number of times but never compromised. I would hate to spend what's considerable money to most people and then have regrets. Like sitting in traffic, next to or behind the car I REALLY wanted would make me pissed off at myself I think. Just me but I would finance the difference (which isn't huge) or just wait a bit and save up for what's missing. I hope those who say the 997.2's are done depreciating are right but I'm not so sure. My GTS has 56K miles on it now. It's my DD and I just can't imagine it'll be worth the same a year from now with another 8K miles on it.

Might be done depreciating until we hit another recession. You could buy a 993 back in 2009 for around 25-30% of today's prices. When **** hits the fan, sports cars, pleasure boats, RV's, and vacation houses are the first to get liquidated.

All this talk makes me feel lucky to have found my 4S cab MT ( 50K mi), for 53K, and local no less. In did not realize they were rare. In fact I did not really want or need the and, but liked the color and features so went with it.

Great buy and one of the best colors too. Love Atlas. Looks black sometimes and at other times black with a dark bluish or gunmetal streak to it.

Exactly my point. I've been there and I did not want to find myself thinking back on what it would have been like to drive the car I really wanted but never bought. So I financed part of some purchases to get what I wanted and just made it work. Heck, the way some guys are talking here now you may get more than you paid for it down the road if you have to sell it. I'm sure you've worked hard like I have so nothing wrong with fulfilling a dream now and then within financial reason.

Anyone know where we might find 997.2 MT production numbers?

Cheers,

^^^^ not made public by Porsche

I found out a long time ago,1986 to be exact, that living in snow and ice country, watching your beautiful 911 get blasted by the rocks and crap they throw down for traction, will make one start thinking, we need another car$ wheel or all wheel drive. Sacrifice a beater to the snow Gods, not a 911.Try buying a 911 windshield sometime. You might drive a C4S in the winter, but you won't drive it long, I promise.

Rules 1. and 2.
1. Don't under research
2. Don't over think
If you find a well documented, properly PPIed or CPOed, within budget car you enjoy driving you will get three things:
A. It will make you happy to drive it
B. You will start understanding how you would improve the model you want next, NA v. Turbo, RWD vs AWD, manual vs. PDK, 997/991.X etc
C. You will get a bid when you go to the next car

You also need to figure - importantly - if you are the type of person who can be happy with multiple solutions or will only be happy finding the exact checklist clearing car. Some people can be happy with either a 997 Turbo S or a 991 C4S dropping $90-100k, some will only be happy with the one car.

GLWP

mrhebert speaks the truth but I'm just a fool for a 911 in the snow. My Cayenne is a much better option for hauling up and down the mountains but I'm committed to using my C4S for skiing. Or maybe I should be committed for using my C4S for skiing. I Xpel'ed the whole front of the car and it's doing its job against the gritty sand but low ground clearance is an issue when the snow gets deep. I've cracked my side skirts and lost a brake duct after two seasons but both were in severe conditions. Damage wasn't too serious and easily fixable but if you want it for winter duty you've got to be at peace with some risk. Same with guys who take the 911 to the track. After all, "A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for."

5 inches forecasted tonight and another 3 in the morning. I might change my opinion tomorrow.

Edit - nevermind

I remember a guy with a beautiful 993 C4S back when I was a kid. Jet black, skis on top every day driving up to the mountain. He probably needed a full respray after 2 years. Poor car! This is exactly why I have a 1st-gen Tacoma. Ironically, the paint is in great shape, with only a few rock chips. Must have something to do with the toxic materials in older paint.

My wife is from the Michigan, I am from Texas. She said we don’t get snow here is Texas. I said nu-uh wife yes we do. And the she said no we don’t. And then it snowed a lot and she said it does snow here....and I won:rockon: https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...6622bf504.jpeg
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Oh lord, I am glad you made it home in one piece!

A 996 Carrera 4 would make a nice winter beater.

Using the term bloated in the article...will make our 991 brothers a bit upset. Sort of like the wife or GF asking...does this dress make me look fat?

:D its a trap!!

Great. Thanks for posting. If enough people read it my current car may turn into an investment or at least a non depreciating asset.

A recap of the Total 911 article on the rarest 997 (or most collectible)


Sport Classic
GT2
GT3RS4.0
Spyder

But also
Turbo S (relatively few made, say compared to the 991 numbers)
And GTS

that video really made me start doing some more research, I think now we can all justify the Turbo S purchase as an investment rather than a luxury!

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Pictures to follow I hope!

My 997.2 S for sale. See details in the Marketplace.https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...a0feed0cdb.jpg

Dear Jaysus eagle 1960; that thing is beautiful! What a color combination.

As to current values, I think the low mark was set today, with a .1 gen, high miles, tip car. See Bat: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...gn=2018-02-12. Fairly bought in my view. Not much further to slide from that. I think the .2's may have a bit more to go down before bottom hits, but who knows?

That 06 is not the norm, I was looking to get into a 996 than I started seeing the 997.1s around the low 30s, 997.2 still seem to around $40k+ Wanted the Aero kit car but Ive decided to go back to the 996.1 aero car, prices are too good to pass up for a well sorted car, especially with the engines sharing the same platform (S) not included.

She's a beauty. Sounds like fun adventure driving it home. Since this thread started with pricing, any details on Sloan?

Congrats on tree new ride!!!

The rear fog light is supposed to light on the driver's side only. Don't waste time on that. Most USA drivers have no idea what a rear fog is and most will figure you have electrical problems of you use it.

Some have written that the washer pump motor (or lines) plug up if non Porsche fluid is used.

Good luck, and enjoy.

Woo-hoo! Good deal and getting to drive it back through the American Southwest was a bonus. Wayne Smith is right, the fog light is a weird German thing. Now you get to spend your free-time learning all kinds of weird 911 things.

Wayne, um I am one of those clueless Americans that had no idea what a rear fog light was and neither did I know that only the drivers side is the only one that should light. I am feeling pretty stupid about that.I do appreciate the info though.

The rule of thumb is that the rear fog light stays off if you can see two delineators ahead of you. Delineators are the metal posts with reflectors you see on many freeways. In England the other side lights up, since they drive on the other side of the road.

Likewise for European cars if you leave your turn signal on when you shut off the motor you will get a message that you left your parking lights on. You will also find that the turn signal light stays on ... to warn approaching cars on narrow streets that there is a car parked.

Lots of things to learn 8)

Sloan?

Is that a Ferris Bueller reference?

Couldn't have told you this without looking it up, but apparently, "Sloane" has an "e" at the end of it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mia_Sara
Also, that actress was married to one of Sean Connery's sons and later, one of Jim Henson's sons. Weird. Is there a dating app for that?

Now that's relevant and on topic!