champignon

I understand that you have a nice kit and you are spoken well of on the various Porsche groups. I might even buy your kit one of these days. But it is pretty obvious however that there is NOT the absence of a conflict of interest here.

Carlo_Carrera

Are you for real?

Are you calling out Dave? Calling him a huckster?

Hosewater2

I wouldn't interpret someone directly quoting the manual in support of their product as a conflict of interest.

champignon

To be honest, I didn't even realize when I bought the car that anyone would interpret that this spoiler amounted to a sort of "mis-badging" of the car with a spoiler type from another car. As I have said previously, I did not buy this spoiler, it was installed on the car when I bought it.

In the BMW world, one frequently sees cars with M-type badging that obviously was put on aftermarket by an owner, probably with fake badges bought on ebay or elsewhere. If BMW hadn't gotten into the act putting "M" badging on everything, I could see it as being offensive.

champignon

I agree it is a cool feature. I do not buy cars with the intention of holding them as an investment, so any premium placed on the car having a functioning hydraulic spoiler system would not be of much interest to me on this car which already has 76,000+ miles on it.

Again, I regard this as silly marketing pablum lifted off of Porsche's promotional materials from when they were originally marketing these 996TT cars for sale, at least as regards drivers who will drive on public roads and who will not track their cars.

champignon

I may be new to Porsches, but I'm not new to internet forums, including car forums.

There are a few people who actually understand such things as have been bandied about on this thread, basically car aerodynamics and handling, upforce, downforce, et. al.

One will often get very vociferous and exclamatory statements of supposed fact on complex threads and topics on forums, such as these. Unfortunately, the percentage of those commenting, often strongly, who actually have a background in and understand these complex subjects, is vanishingly small.

People frequently mistake "post count," e.g. the number of posts that someone makes on an internet forum, for knowledge. Sometimes post count and knowledge go hand and hand, and you do get the occasional mass poster who knows his stuff and who is extremely generous with his or her time in helping out others. I have already encountered several people like that on this board. Most people like this are careful to clarify what it is that they know for a fact, and what is questionable, but which they are repeating for the sake of completeness. That sort of posting demeanor helps me in separating out who actually has a handle on what they know, and what they don't know, essential in separating out the credible, from the rest.

But, I don't respond that way to strongly stated opinions, stated as fact, no matter how strongly or in fact even offensively, these opinions might be stated.

Peace.

Hosewater2

Putting an M on the back of your non-M BMW is poser pure and simple. Yes they put M components on non-M cars, but the only non-M model that got an M in it's name was the M235i right?

I don't think it's quite the same thing with rear spoilers, just wouldn't be my choice to put a GT2 wing on a 996tt, I don't think it looks good myself and serves as a reminder that these cars were once so undervalued that lots of GT2 knockoff wings were installed to save a grand or two.

champignon

Is this just your posting style, or is this how you present yourself in real life?

champignon

He's selling this thing, that is a prima facie conflict of interest. If stated by someone else, it would not be.

champignon

Again, I did not put it on there; one of these days, I might take it off. But it is not a priority.

napoleon1981

I like how you flip the issue around. You make a statement -not backed up by any evidence- against the current status quo, and then call upon everybody else to come with the evidence against it.

I'm willing to bet that Porsche determined the functionality of the wing based on a lot of data, including drag, cooling, downforce etc. These things even play a role at relatively low speed. Hold your hand out of the car window into the wind, you will be amazed at the forces at play.

Hosewater2

So if someone else quoted the manual as he did then his statement would be more valid? Step away from the shovel....

Turbodan

What you are forgetting is the engine is located behind the rear axle on a 996 turbo making the rear downforce necessary. Even at low speeds with slippery conditions and wind, the downforce may be necessary.

But do whatever you want with your car.
BTW Porsche is a racing company, they put stuff on the cars mostly for performance after testing. Stick around a while and you will see Porsche is very different from BMW. BTW I like BMWs as well just not as much a Porsche

wross996tt

So we should not value your opinion about Porsches since you state you are new to Porsche?

Are you implying you are one of the intelligent few?

I would suppose as already stated the Porsche team responsible for aerodynamics and aerodynamic modeling has some of this knowledge and access to way more data than any single Porsche owner. Or do you have a wind tunnel and are running experiments? I would guess not, but we are supposed to believe you have some idea about the effects of speed on aerodynamics...something doesn't add up here. But I guess using your extensive vocabulary makes up for the lack of data?

Can't disagree with this...and of course we are doing this for your benefit...LOL

Did you ever think that your comments can be construed as offensive?

Peace out.

Atrox

So this guy is saying that engineered aerodynamics in a high performance sports car is a doo-dad. I think he's just pissed he bought a car that doesn't have one and secretly wishes he did.

You should just put a c4s lid on then the gt2 lid is also another fun doo-dad.