pfbz

Been there, done that as well with the Tip. Never again. I tried to love it, I put on custom paddle shifters, tuned and tweaked it, still hated it and sold it.

Perhaps my biggest complaint is the ridiculous 'start in second gear unless you floor it' programming. Then again, I use other vehicles for bumper-to-bumper commutes, and want my Porsches to lean towards sporty, not practical.

spooltime

With the Tip, you get both - sporty and practical (if that word could ever apply to a 6TT or any Porsche, generally. It's all good!

Fastboy

I have found that the x50's are starting to go up in price - I'm in Canada so the CDN prices will be a little different from US prices, but for the record--in 2009 I bought my first 2003 996 x50 for $62k--then it was destroyed while in winter storage (building collapsed on it) and I searched hard (hard to find an x50 than it was the first time) - but eventually found another 2003 x50 with the same miles as the first one when I first bought it (effectively rolling the clock back!) and paid exactly the same --$62k. Last summer I noticed 2 different x50's selling (asking) $75k (2003 model) and a convertible ( I recall a 2004) for $80k.
It would appear that at least the x50's are going up in price.

Dock

I feel the same way, and for me the manual transmission is integral to "sporty".

I have never had any issue with driving a manual transmission in bumper to bumper traffic.

Vendetta NY

If you're buying a 996TT to sell it and not drive it, you might doing it wrong.

-V

gophaster

I believe they have all ratcheted upward. Of course if you have two exact same cars lets say both are 6MT, extremely clean, 1 owner, fully documented, no accident, all original/stock, 50k mile cars in the same color combo... let's say black/black (of course I would say that! lol) with silver gauges, stainless door sills, and Sport seats. Only difference was one was X50 and the other was K16. The x50 would of course demand a bit more. But both those cars were selling for less 2 years ago than they are now.

Previously, it was possible to get very decent cars for mid / high 30's but at this time I think the $30's will only get you a car with title issues, accidents, lower overall condition, etc...

Back when I was shopping the x50 did not make a difference to me personally because I had planned to at minimum do hybrid turbos or perhaps even larger BUT after I had finally gotten my car and driving it I decided exhaust, suspension, wheels is as far as I am going to go.

Just to throw out an example, the highest price that I have seen for a 996T to date was in europe May 2016 (Silverstone Auctions) a Black/Black of all colors! ...6MT, CABRIO, non-X50 car that was absolutely pristine with 5k miles I believe... $97,000 USD

Link to car.. https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/...urbo-cabriolet

pfbz

Just after I finished saying I *absolutely* didn't want a Tiptronic....

If you do don't mind Tip's, this 2008 7TT has a very small price spread from a 05 Turbo S with similar miles...

2008 Turbo (tiptronic), 67K miles in Midnight blue with some nice options including Sport Chrono and PCCB's for $56K.



http://www.caseyscars.com/pre-owned-...sche-911/91853

mffarrell

looks like potentially a good deal

TT Surgeon

Check the condition of those rotors, lifespan around 75k miles, that's a 15k hit right off the bat, careful ppi.

gophaster

Very true...what's the typical life span of the pccb's? I'd imagine on a tip it could be shorter than an mt.

TT Surgeon

When I bought my first 07 turbo I was told lifespan was 50-75k on the second gen pccb (997), the latest versions can go as long as 100k.

pfbz

I can't imagine ponying up the $15-$20K cost to replace PCCB rotors and pads on a $55K used turbo... Just go to steel rotors and matching pads for 1/10th the cost.

Berra

No need to buy new PCCB's. Refurbish!

TT Surgeon

Above is true, they can be replaced or refurbished. But, this is a used car deal and replacement cost to new condition has to be factored into price.
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autobonrun

​​​​​​Second generation did not first appear on the 997 as you imply. The 996 Turbo S had the second generation PCCB brakes. Could have something to do with the fact they were both out in 2005. The big difference is the pattern of the cross drilled holes and increased fiber density. I confirmed with a dealer mechanic before I decided to by my 996TTS rather than a 997TT.