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Old 10-02-2016, 10:33 AM
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the low end torque (say from rev 1500 to 2200) of my 2004 turbo is a little bit mild than what I have expected.

The factory figure is about 415 lb ft at 2700 rev which is quite a great deal of power even in nowaday standard
not yet really tested as i am busy in cleaning my new ride
May be the first thing to do is to add techron to clean the injectors and the second things to do are to change spark plugs /an afe air filter.....(not mobile 1 as the seller has changed it recently)

https://www.caltex.com/hk/zh/motorists/products-and-services/techron-concentrate-plus.html
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a tune will transform the car
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Originally Posted by 993GT
a tune will transform the car
the understatement of the year...

I don't think I'm ever wanting for more low end on the street with my Cobb tune (let alone the 100 octane Sambo special I'm presently running), it's hard enough to maintain traction in 1st and 2nd gear as it is...
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My low end torque sucks... boost doesn't come on until around 3500-3700 rpms. (GT700 kit)
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Better now after using Vpower of shell + techron additive of Caltex

i think the previous user had never used any fuel system cleaner and he only bought low octane fuel for the last tank before transaction😄😄
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Still one down side in comparing with my highly modified 2013?bmw 5 series basic model:


the car slow down quite fast when i release my right foot
(i have used afe dry type intake & gfb DV in my bmw - it runs for quite a while without the need to give fuel after the above modification. Very leisure feel and this save fuel too )

Any suggestions for the corresponding mod for turbo? Thx

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Originally Posted by fung0001
Better now after using Vpower of shell + techron additive of Caltex

i think the previous user had never used any fuel system cleaner and he only bought low octane fuel for the last tank before transaction😄😄
Good to hear. K16s make good bottom end and midrange...esp when well tuned.
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Originally Posted by Road King
Good to hear. K16s make good bottom end and midrange...esp when well tuned.
. Thx Road King

there is no way to use the high end performance of turbo in Hong Kong
it will easily overspeed in highway with speed limit of 110km/hr if over rev 3500-4000
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Originally Posted by kmagnuss
My low end torque sucks... boost doesn't come on until around 3500-3700 rpms. (GT700 kit)
from my limited experience in modifying bmw
upgrade like high flow intake , down pipe & exhaust pipes will increase hp & torque in mid range and upper end

but will have significant impact on torque at the low end.....
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Can you run without cats over there? Turbo cars want the least back pressure possible. A nice free flowing exhaust will set more power free!! If you decide to do a tune the tuner can also work with you and optimize the tune to your liking.
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Thx
I learnt from the webpage of stone (taiwan exhaust company) that reduce in restriction of exhaust system (and therefore less back pressure)will improve mid to higher end performance in the expense of low end torque. That's why stone produce the so called "spiral" designed dp to enable improvement in all low mid high ends for 5 series.

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Originally Posted by gophaster
Can you run without cats over there? Turbo cars want the least back pressure possible. A nice free flowing exhaust will set more power free!! If you decide to do a tune the tuner can also work with you and optimize the tune to your liking.
but for low end torque, back-pressure actually helps... up until ~3k+ RPM The back-pressure 'assists' in spool-up. This is from my experience, not yet with a 996 Turbo, but shouldn't be different unless you have a variable vane turbo.
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low end torque on k16 can be rod benders. careful were you tread
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Originally Posted by NoogaSparrow
but for low end torque, back-pressure actually helps... up until ~3k+ RPM The back-pressure 'assists' in spool-up. This is from my experience, not yet with a 996 Turbo, but shouldn't be different unless you have a variable vane turbo.
No, it really doesn't. This is not the case in any turbocharged vehicle.

Back pressure causes a slow down in exhaust flow at the point of the bottleneck and this pressure builds up in the exhaust pipe and into the turbine housing; to overcome this restriction will take more energy to spin the turbine wheel.. Less restrictions, less energy required to spin the turbine wheel, turbo builds boost faster, makes more torque/power at a lower rpm.
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Originally Posted by T10Chris
No, it really doesn't. This is not the case in any turbocharged vehicle.

Back pressure causes a slow down in exhaust flow at the point of the bottleneck and this pressure builds up in the exhaust pipe and into the turbine housing; to overcome this restriction will take more energy to spin the turbine wheel.. Less restrictions, less energy required to spin the turbine wheel, turbo builds boost faster, makes more torque/power at a lower rpm.
This has always been my experience, both with Subies and my 996. Torque increased when I went from stock exhaust to Kline 2.5" 200 cell cat. and another big increase when testing out my decat pipes at the track of course...


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