The Prestige Thread - Finest 996TT Market Finds
There seems to be a sentiment that many wish to focus on the upper end of the 996TT market rather than dwell on the, ahem, under $40,000 market.
So, let's limit this thread to identifying those cars on the market that represent the cream of the crop. Find a truly outstanding car on the market that deserves recognition? Post it here. No bargain basement finds please! I'll start. Here's a great one in my favorite color: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...m=121865521585 2004 X50 cabriolet, tippy, guards red over gray, 18,975 miles. Buy It Now price $68,895. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...ee24c486d.jpeg |
2001 Black on Black, 6 speed coupe, 37,000 miles. Seller's description (typos courtesy of the owner):
911 Gambela Bi-turbo Fully loaded 1 owner Over $226,000 investedFull carbon fiber interiorCarbon fiber hood578 horse powerRacing clutchGarage keptExcellent conditionSpecial 18 inch racing wheelsSpecial order from GambelaFirst in the U.S.Fully serviced books and record. Must sell. PLEASE CONTACT ONLY SUNDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. Read more at http://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/de...R381xZEIEiB.99 No pics to share on this one. Listed at $78,000. |
Wow - here's one at Porsche of Rancho Mirage with only 4,850 miles! 2004 Black on Black cabriolet, 6 speed. Offered at just a tick under $70,000.
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Another wonderfully low mileage example: 5,925 miles. 2002, slate gray over black 6-speed coupe. Asking price $69,950.
Seller's description: Factory new condition 100% original, stored in heated garaged 100% of the time. Only driven on nice days, never driven in the rain or snow. Never raced. Custom ordered from Stevens Creek Porsche in Santa Clara. Probably not another vehicle like it given the low millage and the factory options. Includes Porsche cover. Has stock GPS unit and Bose audio. Sunroof and full leather interior including headliner. Back seat never used. Only driven by one driver. Clean title. More photos coming soon, very rare to find a 02 Turbo with so few miles and in 100% original condition. All service up to date. Definitely a candidate for a car collector. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...c190b6a29.jpeg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...e934a0479.jpeg |
You know what they say about talking to yourself, KC...
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^ This car (2002 slate gray) is nice enough to make think about another 996t= love it.
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This thread....lol
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Careful KC...now you're talking used 991.1 $$$
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Its refreshing to see some clean examples even if some of the prices are a little high.
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my car 80,000$ 1000 rwhp +
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Here's one that might make you think just a little. Offered by Isringhausen, which if you know anything Porsche, well then, you know. 2011 Turbo S PDK. All the goodies. Asking $82,900.
http://www.isringhausen.com/Inventor...ehicleID/13755 Seller's description: This Track Ready 2011 Porsche 911 Turbo S that we sold new comes back to us on trade. This Porsche Turbo S comes with a clean CARFAX and a one owner vehicle history. This Turbo S Coupe is ready to race! The previous owner added many great Aftermarket mods to this Turbo that include New Springs, Rotors, Brake Pads, a Front Control Arm, Brake Lines, Braces for the Radiator, Cermaic Brakes (Orginal PCCB Brake Rotors included) and new Rear Brake Ducts. In addition this Turbo S Coupe has the Factory Sport Bucket Seats! Under the hood this turbo S has a twin-turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 24-valve flat-6, aluminum block and heads, direct fuel injection good for 530 hp @ 6250 rpm and 516 lb-ft @ 2100 rpm. This is the perfect car for entry level racing or a seasoned veteran who can push this Porsche to its limits. Contact a Sales specialist by calling 877-362-9715. Isringhausen Imports is Central Illinois' premier new car, used car and certified pre-owned (CPO) dealership for quality BMW, Porsche, Volvo and Mercedes-Benz new and used vehicles. Looking to buy used cars? Isringhausen Imports is the place to go for quality new cars and used cars for sale. https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...dfaf27e3a.jpeg https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...f0a41798d.jpeg |
2005 Turbo S cab, 6 speed, 16,400 miles, beautiful Slate gray over graphite. Asking $67,800. You'd think they might provide a second key at that price point. :rolleyes:
https://www.carsforsale.com/vehicle/details/14706200 Seller's Description: 2005 Porsche 911 Turbo S Cabriolet Slate Grey Metallic Exterior over Graphite Grey Interior 18 SPORT TECHNO WHEELS! ONLY 16K MILES! **ORIGINAL WINDOW STICKER LIST: $150,975 FACTORY OPTIONS INCLUDE: Slate Grey Metallic (Originally $2,245) 18 Sport Techno Wheels (Originally $1,810) Delete Cabrio Hardtop (Originally $1,485) Park Assist System (Originally $530) Heated Front Seats (Originally $480) Supple Leather for Front and Rear (Originally $395) Lumbar Support for Left Seat (Originally $385) PORSCHE EXCLUSIVE OPTIONS: Aluminum/Leather Shifter and Brake Handle Sport Shifter Porsche Crest in Headrests Deviated Carpet Color Front and Rear Seats Stitched in Deviated Color Door and Dash Stitching in Deviated Color VEHICLE HIGHLIGHTS: 3.6 Liter Twin-Turbo 6 Cylinder Engine -444 Horsepower- -457 lb/ft of Torque- All Wheel Drive 6-Speed Manual Transmission 18 Alloy Wheels Power Adjustable Heated Exterior Mirrors Intermittent Windshield Wipers Automatic Running Bi-Xenon Headlights Ceramic Composite Breaking System Yellow Finished Brake Calipers Power Folding Soft Top Rear Parking Sensors Exterior Spoiler in Body Color Power Adjustable Heated Front Seats Dual-Zone Climate Control Garmin Navigation System Sirius XM Radio BOSE Sound System Universal Garage Opener VEHICLE HISTORY: Only Two Previous Owners! Excellent Condition Throughout! Only 16k Miles! INCLUDES: *One Master Key* *Original Window Sticker* *Service Records Book* https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...fdf2f7a64.jpeg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...bbc18de8c.jpeg |
Originally Posted by Gonzo911
(Post 12931506)
Careful KC...now you're talking used 991.1 $$$
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I'm thoroughly confused by the point, purpose and direction of this thread of yours. i mean, i got the first one "ebay finds or anything related anyone might locate with a simple search" etc.. again, that i "got". but this one has me a bit perplexed.
is it about" "nice ( any/all ) 911's "for sale" or more specifically "pristine and unrealistically priced porsche turbo's". or a little of both? |
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Ok, those are pricey.....
so what about a 05 turbo S for around $107,000 http://www.jzmporsche.com/porsche-fo...s-for-sale-773 or a 2004 GT2 for about $200,000 http://www.jzmporsche.com/porsche-fo...2-for-sale-776 |
Originally Posted by rick brooklyn
(Post 12933006)
What is 991.1 $$$, $69k?
Also, all those 2-3 year leases are coming back to the Dealerships. |
mcbit - Nice finds, keep 'em coming.
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The Prestige Thread - Finest 996TT Market Finds
Originally Posted by Gonzo911
(Post 12934044)
There are dozens under $60k with mileage under 20k.
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Now Gonzo, this ain't "The Bargain Bin Thread", now is it? This thread is like an oasis - a healing spot for the troubled and weary soul of any 996tt owner. Let's keep it classy in here (which of course also means no gifs, memes or YouTube videos please ).
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Just when I thought you may be growing up= I'm back to my original opinion Kc.
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What has offended you now Randy? I asked not to muck this thread up with bargain basement comparisons, gifs, memes or videos and you are upset about that?
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I'm married to an attorney and can understand some of the bs like weary soul but all this thread is a back handed insult with a tinge of lets get the new low ball buyer insulted so they can join in. Already you are bringing in 991s to flame the fire. Don't call me by my first name unless you sign off with yours.
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rmc1148 - Why even have a "find it cheap thread", or a "high end thread". Why does this forum need to be a "Sales Board" except for those posting up their actual individual sale?? It is however obvious why both threads were started.
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Exactly Dock its a way for people to start trouble and sit back and laugh.
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Well, I see people refer to you as Randy on a regular basis and you don't seem to mind. But once again, you are offended. Ironically, you seem to think it's OK to refer to me as "ass" on a regular basis. And then you tell me to grow up. Of the two of us, I am the only one who hasn't resorted to namecalling. I prefer to make my points with a little light-hearted humor so that maybe we can still disagree and still have a little fun and camaraderie.
As for the purpose of this thread, I understand your concern that focusing on the low end of the market unfairly skews opinion and degrades the conversation. I may not agree with that, but I understand. My hope here was that you and others who share that concern would have a thread that addresses that concern. I also hope that it will cut down on the persistent posts of "you realize that car is a ticking time bomb and cannot possibly be a good car" every time someone posts asking for an opinion on a car priced in the $30k's. Yes, we understand your prejudice against all lower priced cars, but the issue is evaluating the car in question. I would prefer "Jeff" if that suits you better. |
If someone asks for an opinion I will continue to give mine. When someone starts out looking for a car of this complexity with a low budget and limited mechanical skills I consider it a recipe for disaster so I give a heads up. Also the questionable repairs some people do undermine a great car in my opinion and they are better off with something they can afford to repair properly. My favorite is how people that will spend god knows what on exhaust upgraded turbos etc but complain and skimp when they need say an alternator etc. Thanks Jeff for the civil response.
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Originally Posted by kcattorney
(Post 12934449)
Of the two of us, I am the only one who hasn't resorted to namecalling.
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I didn't catch that. Kc I have never reported anything to anyone and if I did I would PM whomever it involved and tell them of my intentions first. If someone reported you or someone you know it wasn't me period.
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This is a good thread, please let's keep it going. I find it soothing to see that someone somewhere may have paid more than me for a 996tt :thumbsup:
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Most people pay good money for clean examples they just don't advertise it here. I believe you had a trans problem but that is something that was unforeseen. The price of a nice 996t is still on par of say a loaded f150.
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Randy - Well said. Thank you.
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The real question is are people buying these cars at those prices? If so we all need to ride the wave. My daughter wants to do cheerleading and I just got some prices back on uniforms, training etc.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...e1ba609f8.jpeg |
2003 tt 27K miles X50, GT2 front, lowered all at factory $40K from a dealer.
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Originally Posted by Stephencs601
2003 tt 27K miles X50, GT2 front, lowered all at factory $40K from a dealer.
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^ Based on his signature, I think he owns it.
Remember fellas, we aren't going for bargains in this thread. The argument is that we aren't basing the market on the smoking good deals. We are looking at the very top portion of the market and what someone can expect, on average, to pay for a top end car. Great deals should be posted in the Craigslist thread. Stephencs601 - I would like to hear more details on your car. Could I ask you to post it here, though?: https://rennlist.com/forums/996-turb...-finds-19.html |
Originally Posted by "02996ttx50
(Post 12933761)
I'm thoroughly confused by the point, purpose and direction of this thread of yours. i mean, i got the first one "ebay finds or anything related anyone might locate with a simple search" etc.. again, that i "got". but this one has me a bit perplexed.
is it about" "nice ( any/all ) 911's "for sale" or more specifically "pristine and unrealistically priced porsche turbo's". or a little of both? Basically, if your primary concern is the highest quality 996tt you can find and you really don't care about spending a little more in order to have a top notch buying experience, what cars are out there on the market? Price is a secondary or even tertiary factor. Some people are not interested in trying to get cheapest deal. Or going to extreme lengths to squeeze the last dollar out of a seller. Or take a risk on a car because it may have an unknown provenance. It is absolutely true that one major repair on a bargain basement 996tt can push the actual or effective purchase price up into the range of the top tier of cars. So, some people prefer to focus on the top end of the market. That's who this thread is for. Personally, I'm generally more of a bargain basement shopper for most significant purchases (I suspect that isn't a shocker). But there is wisdom in the opposite. As John Ruskin said: “It's unwise to pay too much, but it's worse to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money - that's all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot - it can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better.” |
Originally Posted by kcattorney
^ Based on his signature, I think he owns it.
Remember fellas, we aren't going for bargains in this thread. The argument is that we aren't basing the market on the smoking good deals. We are looking at the very top portion of the market and what someone can expect, on average, to pay for a top end car. Great deals should be posted in the Craigslist thread. Stephencs601 - I would like to hear more details on your car. Could I ask you to post it here, though?: https://rennlist.com/forums/996-turb...-finds-19.html |
Originally Posted by Atrox
(Post 12934707)
The real question is are people buying these cars at those prices? If so we all need to ride the wave. My daughter wants to do cheerleading and I just got some prices back on uniforms, training etc.
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Gorgeous 2001 Speed Yellow over black coupe with only 6,000 miles in New York. 6 speed. Sport seats with deviated stitching. Asking $75,000
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invento...sting=72994449 https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...7b34629bb.jpeg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...cd3ab760f.jpeg |
Originally Posted by kcattorney
(Post 12945257)
Gorgeous 2001 Speed Yellow over black coupe with only 6,000 miles in New York. 6 speed. Sport seats with deviated stitching. Asking $75,000
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invento...sting=72994449 https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...7b34629bb.jpeg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...cd3ab760f.jpeg |
thx kc. I'm still confused, but thats normal too.
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Originally Posted by kcattorney
(Post 12945257)
Gorgeous 2001 Speed Yellow over black coupe with only 6,000 miles in New York. 6 speed. Sport seats with deviated stitching. Asking $75,000
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What year did they change turbo headlights, or were they always like mk2 996? Never mind I just searched 2001 pics.
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Originally Posted by rick brooklyn
(Post 12945512)
Gorgeous indeed. Interesting that the rest of that dealer's inventory seems to be sub-$10k hondas and pickup trucks.
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Originally Posted by rick brooklyn
(Post 12945512)
Gorgeous indeed. Interesting that the rest of that dealer's inventory seems to be sub-$10k hondas and pickup trucks.
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Thinking this one qualifies for The Prestige Thread :P
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Porsche-911-T...E:B:SS:CA:3160 |
And possibly this one too....even if it is a Tip :P
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Porsche-911-T...E:B:SS:CA:1120 |
^That is a very good price, if only it was a hardtop. Was refereeing to the vert but the 01 is well priced also= good deals.
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Originally Posted by jegermiester
(Post 12949242)
Thinking this one qualifies for The Prestige Thread :P
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Porsche-911-T...E:B:SS:CA:3160 |
You got that right Dude I would pay up for either car in a minute if they checked out.
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Originally Posted by Th Dude
(Post 12949455)
I think this one is way underpriced...it has the uber rare 5-speed transmission option. :p
2nd gear pop out issue rendering that gear redundant....hence the 5 speed mutated derivative :P Nice catch Th Dude !! |
Mecum Auction has an 01 996 TT with only 9900 miles. Not sure if it has hit the block yet. If it sells that would give a pretty good benchmark for the value of a pristine example. https://www.mecum.com/lot-detail/FL0...Turbo/6-Speed/
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Lightly optioned with some wood but nice color= will be interesting.
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KC/Jeff thanks for the thread, enjoying it!
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Thanks Chris! I think it has turned into a nice alternative to the Craigslist thread. I truly am enjoying it. Just focusing on the top echelon of cars definitely gives me a different perspective than when I was shopping. I focused on the bottom probably 1/3 of the market then.
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The Prestige Thread - Finest 996TT Market Finds
Edit: it's already in the auction thread
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Originally Posted by Mark Dreyer
(Post 12949557)
Mecum Auction has an 01 996 TT with only 9900 miles. Not sure if it has hit the block yet. If it sells that would give a pretty good benchmark for the value of a pristine example. https://www.mecum.com/lot-detail/FL0...Turbo/6-Speed/
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docboy - That's cheatin': it's a GT2. But nice try. Now go find a "regular" 996tt that is exceptional and try again. You can't win if you don't play!
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Originally Posted by kcattorney
(Post 12953222)
docboy - That's cheatin': it's a GT2. But nice try. Now go find a "regular" 996tt that is exceptional and try again. You can't win if you don't play!
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Originally Posted by docboy
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Some nice ones indeed- I just made one of them mine!
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Oregonian - Very cool - which one?
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Originally Posted by kcattorney
(Post 12932601)
2005 Turbo S cab, 6 speed, 16,400 miles, beautiful Slate gray over graphite. Asking $67,800. You'd think they might provide a second key at that price point. :rolleyes:
https://www.carsforsale.com/vehicle/details/14706200 Seller's Description: 2005 Porsche 911 Turbo S Cabriolet Slate Grey Metallic Exterior over Graphite Grey Interior 18 SPORT TECHNO WHEELS! ONLY 16K MILES! **ORIGINAL WINDOW STICKER LIST: $150,975 FACTORY OPTIONS INCLUDE: Slate Grey Metallic (Originally $2,245) 18 Sport Techno Wheels (Originally $1,810) Delete Cabrio Hardtop (Originally $1,485) Park Assist System (Originally $530) Heated Front Seats (Originally $480) Supple Leather for Front and Rear (Originally $395) Lumbar Support for Left Seat (Originally $385) PORSCHE EXCLUSIVE OPTIONS: Aluminum/Leather Shifter and Brake Handle Sport Shifter Porsche Crest in Headrests Deviated Carpet Color Front and Rear Seats Stitched in Deviated Color Door and Dash Stitching in Deviated Color VEHICLE HIGHLIGHTS: 3.6 Liter Twin-Turbo 6 Cylinder Engine -444 Horsepower- -457 lb/ft of Torque- All Wheel Drive 6-Speed Manual Transmission 18 Alloy Wheels Power Adjustable Heated Exterior Mirrors Intermittent Windshield Wipers Automatic Running Bi-Xenon Headlights Ceramic Composite Breaking System Yellow Finished Brake Calipers Power Folding Soft Top Rear Parking Sensors Exterior Spoiler in Body Color Power Adjustable Heated Front Seats Dual-Zone Climate Control Garmin Navigation System Sirius XM Radio BOSE Sound System Universal Garage Opener VEHICLE HISTORY: Only Two Previous Owners! Excellent Condition Throughout! Only 16k Miles! INCLUDES: *One Master Key* *Original Window Sticker* *Service Records Book* https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...fdf2f7a64.jpeg This one. They came down significantly on price. I plan on keeping it for 5-10 years and driving it about 2-3k per year. I wanted a really solid, low mileage car with complete service history and this one had it. Even though it was just what I was looking for, I wasn't game at anywhere close to the asking price. They were very reasonable dealing on the price and we came to terms. The seller is located about 800 miles from me, so I will either fly in and drive it home, or trailer it with my truck (depends on the weather)! Since I keep my cars for a long time, I always get the nicest one within my budget. Value is what I go for- a nice, solid car at a reasonable price. Oh, and it even came with both keys!:cheers: |
Sweet - two keys. That part of their ad made me chuckle. That's a really striking color combo. Not that it's your primary concern, but I bet when the time does come to sell that you don't lose a dime on it. I think all of the 996's are hitting the bottom of their depreciation curve. I'm not saying that they will begin to appreciate any time soon, but I truly believe that now is the time to buy any one of the varieties of 996.
That being said, most of us don't buy as an investment, so enjoy the heck out of that beautiful car. Mine makes me smile every time I see it. Congratulations! |
Thanks. I buy to drive and enjoy, but with an eye on not taking a big hit on resale. I have been on the sidelines watching patiently for a couple of years, and I agree that it seems to be a good time pick up a nice 996TT or GT3.
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Originally Posted by Oregonian
(Post 12953445)
Thanks. I buy to drive and enjoy, but with an eye on not taking a big hit on resale. I have been on the sidelines watching patiently for a couple of years, and I agree that it seems to be a good time pick up a nice 996TT or GT3.
Agree with kcatattorney. I've also been in the hunt for a 996tt for a while now, and have noticed 996tt prices have definitely bottomed out on the depreciation curve; comparatively 997tt appeared to have leveled out for a while as well, but I've noticed 997tt prices have actually started to drop the past few months. Not sure if it's seasonal or for what reason. I have a PPI being conducted next week on a 996tt, so we'll see what happens :) |
What do you guys think this one is worth? Definitely not the $59k price tag, but if it was under $50k, I would be seriously considering it.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/301853942067?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT |
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I assume that's Canadian dollars on that cabriolet.
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They can't quite seem to make up their mind if it's a coupe or a cab- but the pictures kind of give it away...
Loonies and kilos I would guess.
Originally Posted by SiFi1886
(Post 12968063)
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I called on that one while I was searching. Single owner, low miles, very well maintained- but seemed a bit high on pricing to me. I think it would be a very nice buy at a lower price point.
Originally Posted by xmaciek82x
(Post 12967939)
What do you guys think this one is worth? Definitely not the $59k price tag, but if it was under $50k, I would be seriously considering it.
Porsche 911 Turbo X50 Only 31K Miles | eBay |
If I liked it I would pay up, looks very nice.
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Originally Posted by xmaciek82x
(Post 12967939)
What do you guys think this one is worth? Definitely not the $59k price tag, but if it was under $50k, I would be seriously considering it.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/301853942067?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT |
Originally Posted by rick brooklyn
(Post 12968628)
I don't think that price is far off. I paid over $50k to a dealer/flipper for an X50 with similar mileage.
Thoughts on this one? Looks very clean. Spoke with the dealer and seems the car was well maintained (he is a sales person so I know he will say anything). But judging from the pics car looks to be in great shape. One downside for me it is a 2001, I really want a 2002+. But it does come with full leather and sport seats and low miles which is a big plus for me and offsets 2002+ requirement I had. Is $45k too much for a well maintained 2001? http://www.chariotsofpb.com/Chariots...AB29951S686554 |
I think those wheels are not very good looking. For a 2001, if Blswan is still selling his, I think it's a nicer car.
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Originally Posted by rick brooklyn
(Post 12970746)
I think those wheels are not very good looking. For a 2001, if Blswan is still selling his, I think it's a nicer car.
Blswan car is red. I am only interested in blk/blk/6 spd/ no supple seats. Just never really considered a 2001until I saw that one. |
Do the research miles matter as much or more than year. There are graphs showing relation of year/mile-price if you search. Mines a late build 2001 and price mentioned wouldn't buy it. I like the wheels other than being 19s.
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Originally Posted by xmaciek82x
(Post 12970684)
But it does come with full leather...
Option E70 - "Leather Interior Package", where the following are covered in leather: lower part of instrument panel, trim molding groove for upper dashboard, side fresh air vents, defroster cover, frame speaker cover, center air vents, carrier for heater control, frame of air conditioner, switch covers left and right, and ignition lock rosette. Or Option E74 -" Small Leather Interior Package", where the following are covered in leather: lower part of instrument panel, trim molding groove for upper dashboard, center air vents, carrier for heater control, frame of air conditioner, switch covers left and right, and ignition lock rosette. Or Option P55 - "Full Leather Interior Package", where the following Instrument surround, trim molding groove, side air vents and slats, defroster trim, speaker cover, central air vent frame, frame for heater/air conditioner control unit, left, right, and lower switch covers, ignition rosette, rear center console, switch covers, ashtray cover, handbrake cover, lid for storage, sunvisors, cover for vanity mirror, front center console, CD or tape shelf and switch cover. It seems that owners and used car dealers (and maybe even Porsche dealers) don't really understand what the 996 Turbo came with in stock form and/or what the option codes are. I see many people here looking for or having bought a 996 Turbo stating that the car has "full leather". If the car's option codes do not include either E70, E74 or P55, then the car has the stock leather. The only "full leather" option is E55. If you don't have E55 listed as an option code, then you don't have "full leather". |
Thanks Dock! Let me try to get a picture of the option codes and see which one it comes with.
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I was questioning the full leather description myself,need to check codes in order to know what the real deal is as Dock noted.
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I emailed the dealer to take a picture of the code sticker.
I'm offering $44k for the car. I think that is a fair price but dealer isn't budging too much. |
Originally Posted by xmaciek82x
I emailed the dealer to take a picture of the code sticker.
I'm offering $44k for the car. I think that is a fair price but dealer isn't budging too much. |
It seams the car doesn't have any of the option codes Dock mentioned. Still not a huge deal breaker. The car is very clean and I'm very tempted. I spoke with the GM and we agreed on a price that I'm satisfied with.
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Originally Posted by xmaciek82x
(Post 12972354)
It seams the car doesn't have any of the option codes Dock mentioned. Still not a huge deal breaker. The car is very clean and I'm very tempted. I spoke with the GM and we agreed on a price that I'm satisfied with.
The exhaust and headers are a good bonus; that (and the tune to a lesser extent) IMO are tasteful mods that add good value to the vehicle. |
Originally Posted by docboy
(Post 12972436)
Congratz! Car looks very clean from the pics. How was the PPI?
The exhaust and headers are a good bonus; that (and the tune to a lesser extent) IMO are tasteful mods that add good value to the vehicle. I'm about 1300 miles away from the dealership so it's not like I can just swing by and take care of stuff myself. Still debating if I should pull the trigger or just hang on for something a bit closer to me. Not too crazy about the tune. I think Champion motorsports just does a can GIAC tune but I can be wrong. I have Markski down the street from me so he would eventually retune it. |
Maybe a local member could lay eyes on it for a report and suggest good ppi spot.
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xmaciek82x, I agree with rmc... I would prefer to choose my own shop to do the ppi. Have they told you where they would take it? Perhaps you could do a little research on where they plan to have it done.
USP is about 35 miles or so from that dealer (they may not be willing to go that far though), I have heard nothing but good things about them. Perhaps someone else will chime in with a good shop in the area. Good luck!! :) |
Nice car. I like the wheels. Agree that they will be easy to sell if you replace them.
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Originally Posted by gophaster
(Post 12973209)
xmaciek82x, I agree with rmc... I would prefer to choose my own shop to do the ppi. Have they told you where they would take it? Perhaps you could do a little research on where they plan to have it done.
USP is about 35 miles or so from that dealer (they may not be willing to go that far though), I have heard nothing but good things about them. Perhaps someone else will chime in with a good shop in the area. Good luck!! :) |
Yes, I agree... dme scan should be on the ppi check list. You definitely need to ask what exactly the shop includes in their ppi. It varies quite a bit. Besides just looking at the car overall a good ppi will include diagnostic scan, checking the car underneath as well, driving car, making sure everything works properly from radio to power seat switches etc, etc, paint meter, list goes on. Also, If there are specific things you want them to look for you can tell them that as well.
Originally Posted by danspach
(Post 12977729)
Even when I had my car PPI'ed by Brumos, I had to specify that it include a DME scan. It wasn't considered part of the normal PPI which surprised me. It didn't bear and additional charge but that's way more important to me than the fact that my rear wiper was missing the cap. Something to consider wherever you get it done. I agree though, that I'd prefer to pay for it myself and send it to my "own" shop.
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Originally Posted by rick brooklyn
(Post 12978441)
Winnar!1:thumbsup::rockon: |
^ Holy crap! That's a unicorn if I ever saw one. An eleven on a 10 point scale. :jumper:
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Originally Posted by kcattorney
(Post 12978480)
^ Holy crap! That's a unicorn if I ever saw one. An eleven on a 10 point scale. :jumper:
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It's too nice, I would be scared to roll it out of the garage!
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Originally Posted by danspach
(Post 12977729)
Even when I had my car PPI'ed by Brumos, I had to specify that it include a DME scan. It wasn't considered part of the normal PPI which surprised me. It didn't bear and additional charge but that's way more important to me than the fact that my rear wiper was missing the cap. Something to consider wherever you get it done. I agree though, that I'd prefer to pay for it myself and send it to my "own" shop.
Originally Posted by gophaster
(Post 12977826)
Yes, I agree... dme scan should be on the ppi check list. You definitely need to ask what exactly the shop includes in their ppi. It varies quite a bit. Besides just looking at the car overall a good ppi will include diagnostic scan, checking the car underneath as well, driving car, making sure everything works properly from radio to power seat switches etc, etc, paint meter, list goes on. Also, If there are specific things you want them to look for you can tell them that as well.
Originally Posted by rmc1148
(Post 12973047)
Maybe a local member could lay eyes on it for a report and suggest good ppi spot.
Originally Posted by gophaster
(Post 12973209)
xmaciek82x, I agree with rmc... I would prefer to choose my own shop to do the ppi. Have they told you where they would take it? Perhaps you could do a little research on where they plan to have it done.
USP is about 35 miles or so from that dealer (they may not be willing to go that far though), I have heard nothing but good things about them. Perhaps someone else will chime in with a good shop in the area. Good luck!! :) Sorry for derailing the thread. |
holy shi*!!!!! Wow
Originally Posted by rick brooklyn
(Post 12978441)
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http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/5431749811.html
2004 Cabriolet Guards Red over Black, Tiptronic, X50, 19k miles, sport seats w/color matched backs, EVOMS Stage 1 tune. Indianapolis. Gorgeous car (but aren't all Guards Red cars?). Condition described "As New". Asking $68,500. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...4bf3afa83e.jpg |
Originally Posted by kcattorney
(Post 12985048)
http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/5431749811.html 2004 Cabriolet Guards Red over Black, Tiptronic, X50, 19k miles, sport seats w/color matched backs, EVOMS Stage 1 tune. Indianapolis. Gorgeous car (but aren't all Guards Red cars?). Condition described "As New". Asking $68,500.
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I think you are ready to flip yours and trying to bump up the market. More power to you!
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Who, me?
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Upon KC's prompting, here's one that I posted earlier today on the Craigslist, Ebay and Other Online Finds thread....
2001 TT 6 speed with 3584 miles on the clock! http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Porsche-911-/...120&rmvSB=true The jegermiester :P |
^ I neglected to say it on the Craigslist thread, but "Nice find" Mr. jegermiester.
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Originally Posted by kcattorney
(Post 13021810)
^ I neglected to say it on the Craigslist thread, but "Nice find" Mr. jegermiester.
Many thanks kcattorney!! Just doing my bit in trying to make someone as happy about owning a 996TT as I am with mine :P |
Atabel
996tt have the mezger engine, a beautiful thing! FYI, radiator connections are a concern, google it.
My 996tt, X50, ceramic breaks, is the best thing I've ever driven. Previously couple of 914's, to start. Then 3 different 80's 911's. My 996tt even throwing down $$$$ for the radiator connections, best car I've ever driven |
Originally Posted by Arabel
(Post 13031130)
996tt have the mezger engine, a beautiful thing! FYI, radiator connections are a concern, google it.
My 996tt, X50, ceramic breaks, is the best thing I've ever driven. Previously couple of 914's, to start. Then 3 different 80's 911's. My 996tt even throwing down $$$$ for the radiator connections, best car I've ever driven |
Originally Posted by rick brooklyn
(Post 13031205)
How much to fix radiator connections
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YEAH BABY!!!
https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-marketplace-old/916410-2003-porsche-911-turbo-like-new-condition.html F*** the haters |
^ Well bought. Probably going straight to someones collection parked in-between their white 993tt and 997tt :) You'll be hard pressed to find another example in that color combo/condition....ever.
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Nice 22k mile car priced very reasonably in Palm Desert:
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ctd/5463625515.html https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...c5578189c.jpeg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...8a1b5978a.jpeg Looks like it's an X50 car, loaded with sport seats and aluma-look gauges, etc. Well priced @ $56,950. |
Originally Posted by kcattorney
(Post 12931257)
Wow - here's one at Porsche of Rancho Mirage with only 4,850 miles! 2004 Black on Black cabriolet, 6 speed. Offered at just a tick under $70,000.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...991b96904.jpeg |
Banjo - Congrats - beautiful car! It's worth posting an introductory thread.
And welcome! |
Here's todays prestige find and what a beauty!!
2001 TT, black on black, MT with 3584 clicks on the speedo. http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Porsche-911-/...E:B:SS:CA:1120 The Jegermiester :P |
I stumbled on this one today...
'05 Turbo S Cabrio - Black/Black - Stick - $79,996 http://www.parkhaus1.com/detail-2005...-14420415.html https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...b20b66c7b0.jpg |
Originally Posted by jegermiester
(Post 13068880)
Here's todays prestige find and what a beauty!!
2001 TT, black on black, MT with 3584 clicks on the speedo. http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Porsche-911-/...E:B:SS:CA:1120 The Jegermiester :P |
Originally Posted by gophaster
(Post 13069269)
I stumbled on this one today...
'05 Turbo S Cabrio - Black/Black - Stick - $79,996 http://www.parkhaus1.com/detail-2005...-14420415.html |
Yeah, I agree. I guess if you've got the top open it's not a big deal... but if it was more like the coupe it would be excellent. They certainly got the c-pillar to shark fin window ratio exactly right with the coupe!! ;)
Originally Posted by kcattorney
(Post 13071404)
It's too bad the designers couldn't make the C-pillar on the hardtop for the cab a little thinner and the rear shark fin window a little bigger. The roofline is true to the coupe, but the C-pillar just makes it look a bit wonky. Nice car though.
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^ I love it when an ad says "Metzger" engine. It shows that the seller is a true Porsche guy and really knows his stuff.
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I'll bet anyone a beer that the seller also says "Porsh".
EDIT: Although I will say that's a very nice car for the right buyer. I think for the purist, it might induce convulsions. |
Originally Posted by kcattorney
(Post 13073586)
I'll bet anyone a beer that the seller also says "Porsh". EDIT: Although I will say that's a very nice car for the right buyer. I think for the purist, it might induce convulsions.
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Since I know only the finest Porsche enthusiasts are viewing this thread, I would like to offer up my car for a "Prestige" evaluation. Can you give me a likely market value? Yes, it has 26K miles, which seems like a lot compared to the examples put forth before this. But I think it can make the outer edge of "Prestige" given the condition and equipment :)
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^ Well, first off, nice car. Me, personally, I like cars with quality mods. What I found out when I first posted about my car is that some people, well, they don't so much. They really, really don't like mods. And I'm talking about just outright hostility. They hated the mods on my car so much, one of them waged a one-man campaign to get me banned.
The bad news is that those guys are the kind who are willing to pay (well, at least they say they are willing to pay) top dollar for cars. They want "unmolested" to the extreme. That's what the prestige thread is about - low-mileage, no stories, no excuses, unmodified cars that haven't even been driven past a track much less on one. The good news is that you've got a fantastic car. While it might not fit the exact definition of a Prestige Thread car, that's not necessarily the end of the world. You should have plenty of guys interested in it. |
Originally Posted by cbracerx
(Post 13086138)
Since I know only the finest Porsche enthusiasts are viewing this thread, I would like to offer up my car for a "Prestige" evaluation. Can you give me a likely market value? Yes, it has 26K miles, which seems like a lot compared to the examples put forth before this. But I think it can make the outer edge of "Prestige" given the condition and equipment :)
How much have you had it on the track? |
Originally Posted by 911mhawk
(Post 13086930)
Nice, just what I would buy if shopping now.
How much have you had it on the track? It's a bit buried in there under ownership history. |
Originally Posted by kcattorney
(Post 13086896)
^ Well, first off, nice car. Me, personally, I like cars with quality mods. What I found out when I first posted about my car is that some people, well, they don't so much. They really, really don't like mods. And I'm talking about just outright hostility. They hated the mods on my car so much, one of them waged a one-man campaign to get me banned.
The bad news is that those guys are the kind who are willing to pay (well, at least they say they are willing to pay) top dollar for cars. They want "unmolested" to the extreme. That's what the prestige thread is about - low-mileage, no stories, no excuses, unmodified cars that haven't even been driven past a track much less on one. The good news is that you've got a fantastic car. While it might not fit the exact definition of a Prestige Thread car, that's not necessarily the end of the world. You should have plenty of guys interested in it. Any thoughts on a likely selling price? And are there more details that are needed in the for sale listing? |
$49,950 ask, take the first $48,000 you get. This time of the year, you might get a little more, but that $50k barrier is a big one. So if you want to get it sold, then I would keep it below that. If you are in no hurry and are willing to wait for the right buyer, then maybe ask more. But, you will be competing with a lot of other silver cars. I like silver, but there are a bunch of them.
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Here is another one ... KC, it's your favorite color also :)
04 Cabrio / Stick / 10k miles - Looks brand new. $71,996 http://www.parkhaus1.com/detail-2004...-13824831.html https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...48d51ee793.jpg |
Gorgeous color combo on that one!
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Private seller, I think in Dallas. 9,957 miles. Lapis blue over Savannah beige. 6 speed. Asking $66,750.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...7766/overview/ https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...871e394a1e.jpg |
Originally Posted by kcattorney
(Post 13146708)
Private seller, I think in Dallas. 9,957 miles. Lapis blue over Savannah beige. 6 speed. Asking $66,750.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...7766/overview/ https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...871e394a1e.jpg |
Originally Posted by kcattorney
(Post 13146708)
Private seller, I think in Dallas. 9,957 miles. Lapis blue over Savannah beige. 6 speed. Asking $66,750.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...7766/overview/ https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...871e394a1e.jpg |
Nice S, if you like cabs...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...43k-miles.html |
Originally Posted by cbracerx
(Post 13086138)
Since I know only the finest Porsche enthusiasts are viewing this thread, I would like to offer up my car for a "Prestige" evaluation. Can you give me a likely market value? Yes, it has 26K miles, which seems like a lot compared to the examples put forth before this. But I think it can make the outer edge of "Prestige" given the condition and equipment :)
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Totally prestigious car for crazy cheapo:
https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-marketplace-old/926780-2002-porsche-911-turbo-with-x50-package-and-factory-aerokit.html |
Originally Posted by rick brooklyn
(Post 13161169)
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2005 Turbo S cab with hardtop, 6 speed, triple black, 15k miles at Parkhaus in Miami. Buy It Now of $74,996.
http://www.parkhaus1.com/detail-2005...otoviewer=true https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...88364b0dd0.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...ae2d837bc8.jpg |
Originally Posted by kcattorney
(Post 13169601)
2005 Turbo S cab with hardtop, 6 speed, triple black, 15k miles at Parkhaus in Miami. Buy It Now of $74,996.
http://www.parkhaus1.com/detail-2005...otoviewer=true https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...520e3cbffa.jpg |
Originally Posted by rick brooklyn
(Post 13161169)
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Originally Posted by 88mmm
(Post 13171900)
Over priced for a tippu imo. Should be between. $33 and $35k.
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rmc1148's car up for sale in the Vehicle Marketplace:
https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...13k-miles.html 2001, 6 speed, only 13k miles, asking $52,000. Looks like a winner to me. GLWS. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...d538d2b2b7.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...acf48d8d9c.jpg |
Pretty strong price here for a 30k mile tippy cab, but then this dealer usually prices his cars quite high
http://www.aicauto.com/content/inventory.asp?Image=622 |
http://inventory.mgmsl.com/web/used/...Ohio/29673811/
He really likes this car The na 996's he has are also 35k |
Originally Posted by Atrox
(Post 13183234)
http://inventory.mgmsl.com/web/used/...Ohio/29673811/
He really likes this car The na 996's he has are also 35k |
But it looks to be a darn near perfect specimen.
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Bump to the top..
Any new listings? I have a few customers that are looking.. |
I have a biarritz white on natural brown 996TT that is near stock. I am kicking around converting to a RUF RTurbo but may pass along for the right price. PM me if interested.
Al |
Nice looking TTS
Decent price, nice color, interior a bit rough for the mileage (actually very rough); but it is a manual shift. I've always liked Cobalt Blue.
https://www.carsforsale.com/vehicle/details/17527299 |
Originally Posted by autobonrun
(Post 13246185)
Decent price, nice color, interior a bit rough for the mileage (actually very rough); but it is a manual shift. I've always liked Cobalt Blue.
https://www.carsforsale.com/vehicle/details/17527299 |
Originally Posted by autobonrun
(Post 13246185)
Decent price, nice color, interior a bit rough for the mileage (actually very rough); but it is a manual shift. I've always liked Cobalt Blue.
https://www.carsforsale.com/vehicle/details/17527299 |
Originally Posted by autobonrun
(Post 13246185)
Decent price, nice color, interior a bit rough for the mileage (actually very rough); but it is a manual shift. I've always liked Cobalt Blue.
https://www.carsforsale.com/vehicle/details/17527299 |
yeah looks more like Lapis Blue. Could be lighting I suppose. but definitely looks too dark to be Cobalt
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I know nothing about this car except that the mileage as represented is extraordinary.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...-/391449833580 |
Nice looking car. Not a fan of the wheels or aftermarket radio but the mileage and sport seats are nice.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/cto/5578591620.html |
Hey Jeremy - So you don't like me wheels huh? No worries I have a set of Turbo Twist Hollow spokes that will come with the car :thumbsup:
See you at Canepa's on Saturday . :rockon: |
Originally Posted by beagling
(Post 13282743)
Hey Jeremy - So you don't like me wheels huh? No worries I have a set of Turbo Twist Hollow spokes that will come with the car :thumbsup:
See you at Canepa's on Saturday . :rockon: |
Auction just started on an 18,000 mile 2001 996tt tiptronic on bringatrailer.com. Looks bone stock, very clean.
996 sales prices on that website have been very strong all spring. Let's see what this one brings. Even with a tiptronic, I'll guess $51,000 http://bringatrailer.com/listing/2001-porsche-turbo/ https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...ab100c1e38.jpg |
^Nice car. I would buy this in a heartbeat for a DD, and be very happy with the tip given our miserable traffic.
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Those floormats don't look original to me. Strange to have to replace them on such a low mile car. Stranger still not to replace them with factory mats.
Still, I'll guess the BAT crowd goes to $53k for this unique color, low-mile example of the 996 turbo that is gaining both in popularity and demand. |
I would think the automatic would hold it back quite a bit but we will see. I see some automatic guys in the comments.
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Sorry to jump models, but I did not find a reference to this elsewhere in the forum. A 2007 Turbo on BAT (25K miles, Tip) just went for $57K. I was quite surprised! http://bringatrailer.com/listing/200...che-911-turbo/
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Originally Posted by cbracerx
(Post 13500019)
Sorry to jump models, but I did not find a reference to this elsewhere in the forum. A 2007 Turbo on BAT (25K miles, Tip) just went for $57K. I was quite surprised! http://bringatrailer.com/listing/200...che-911-turbo/
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IMO they should've given that car away for free or burned it with fire. Who the heck wants a auto 911 turbo. :)
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Originally Posted by 88mmm
(Post 13502701)
IMO they should've given that car away for free or burned it with fire. Who the heck wants a auto 911 turbo. :)
" Looks like a flipper got it. Already on Craigslist for $75k https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/5715947106.html " |
I missed out on this beauty on Bring a Trailer.
14k mile tt such a deal! http://bringatrailer.com/listing/200...911-gt2-turbo/ |
^ Accident and non stock body otherwise very nice= reason for low price.
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Originally Posted by rmc1148
(Post 13517140)
^ Accident and non stock body otherwise very nice= reason for low price.
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Originally Posted by OBehave2.0
(Post 13517250)
And what do you think it would have been without those issues in your opinion?
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Just sold my 2001 with 13,350 miles same color and in better condition ( going by photos) for 52k so I would say realistically 52-55 but hopefully more.
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Here's a nice Guards Red 2002 996tt with 12,844 miles in Atlanta area found by spooltime and posted in the Craigslist thread. Cross posting here. Asking $60,000. Not sure what's going on with the steering wheel and I hope that's a seat cover on the driver's seat. But, the ad says its all stock.
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/cto/5705549636.html https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...392cdc8a8d.jpg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...52301ff633.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...6f548671a2.jpg |
I have seen that one for sale since January. Ebay, craigslist, etc. It keeps popping up.
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"a two-tone red and black steering wheel looks gorgeous", said noone ever. Also what's up with the steering turned upside down. Get the wheels straight before you take the picture!
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^ Maybe he just mounted it upside down after putting that gorgeous steering wheel cover on it.
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Just saw this at RAC Performance in TX
No affiliation or interest. Looks like a nice x50 with mods. 50k miles though
http://www.racperformance.com/2003-Porsche-911-Turbo-Carrollton,%20TX%2075006/5949307 |
I saw that the other day. Looks nice. Only think I noticed was the exhaust seems to be off a bit. Maybe something simple idk
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Originally Posted by shaunt
(Post 13559564)
I saw that the other day. Looks nice. Only think I noticed was the exhaust seems to be off a bit. Maybe something simple idk
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What do you think of these two?
http://www.privatecollectionmotors.c...rnia/30692371/ http://www.privatecollectionmotors.com/web/used/Porsche-911-Turbo-$143,825-MSRP-2004-Costa-Mesa-California/31416328/ Which one is the best value? |
Originally Posted by mffarrell
(Post 13589733)
What do you think of these two?
http://www.privatecollectionmotors.c...rnia/30692371/ http://www.privatecollectionmotors.com/web/used/Porsche-911-Turbo-$143,825-MSRP-2004-Costa-Mesa-California/31416328/ Which one is the best value? |
Originally Posted by pirahna
(Post 13590544)
Both are over priced with those miles.
I've tried to buy two cars there but found them to be about 10% high across the board and not willing to deal... at all. The people working there are really great though. The good news is that I kept shopping and found my car; better condition, 1/3 the miles, and of course, less expensive. |
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That looks an awful lot like the car tdrimer just bought. Unless he is selling it, I would be very skeptical. Hmmmm I guess I would be skeptical too if he is selling it since he would have owned it so short :D
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Originally Posted by napoleon1981
(Post 13591524)
That looks an awful lot like the car tdrimer just bought. Unless he is selling it, I would be very skeptical. Hmmmm I guess I would be skeptical too if he is selling it since he would have owned it so short :D
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You are selling it?
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Originally Posted by napoleon1981
(Post 13591554)
You are selling it?
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How about this 14k Mike 2004 Cab 6 speed for $50k https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...-for-sale.html
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Just ran across this on Omaha Craigslist. 2005 996TTS, 43k miles, asking $55k. Private seller.
http://omaha.craigslist.org/cto/5868654193.html https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...0e63cf801b.jpg |
Originally Posted by kcattorney
(Post 13749082)
Just ran across this on Omaha Craigslist. 2005 996TTS, 43k miles, asking $55k. Private seller.
http://omaha.craigslist.org/cto/5868654193.html https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...0e63cf801b.jpg |
Originally Posted by fung0001
(Post 13749669)
still producing 996 tt in 2005?
yes and that one is sold...tried to jump on it but sold to a dealer quickly |
Interesting, I wonder what the new price will be???
Originally Posted by Signalmtb
(Post 13749741)
yes and that one is sold...tried to jump on it but sold to a dealer quickly
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70-80k
Originally Posted by gophaster
(Post 13749902)
Interesting, I wonder what the new price will be???
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It seems crazy, but you are probably right! :to_order:
Originally Posted by Brig993
(Post 13749943)
70-80k
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I was trying to get up to Nebraska a few weeks ago to take a look see. The owner dropped the price from $60K to $55K.
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NorCal 31K Mile X50 Aero car, asking $58.5K Its now on ebay as well.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/ctd/5866027957.html https://images.craigslist.org/00F0F_...D_1200x900.jpg |
I inquired about that one also but decided against it bc it was literally across the country, didn't want aero kit and seller was very firm on price. Apparently a deal fell through on it a week or two back as the seller contacted me to see if I was still interested now that the car was available again but I'm not sure why it didn't sell. Here's the DME, build sheet and recent service report the seller sent me. Looks like a nice car except for the recent over revs. Maybe someone was having fun before they sold it? https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...6aa9767994.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...2f900f2f5f.jpg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...a3f9d58f82.png
Originally Posted by Road King
(Post 13750824)
NorCal 31K Mile X50 Aero car, asking $58.5K Its now on ebay as well.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/ctd/5866027957.html https://images.craigslist.org/00F0F_...D_1200x900.jpg |
If everything checks out that seems like a great car. Nice build sheet!
18 type 2's is really low. I'm guessing someone took it for a test drive and bumped the limiter once. Assuming that they didn't go too much over 7251 rpm, 18 type 2's would literally be like .04 seconds (40 milliseconds!) worth of time (if my math is right) and since it happened such a short time ago that was probably the ONLY time it hit a type 2 in it's life!! Like you said, only issue is how recent it was but many of these cars hit type 2's daily without problems so it's hard to really say. But, really nice car either way.
Originally Posted by Brig993
(Post 13751120)
I inquired about that one also but decided against it bc it was literally across the country, didn't want aero kit and seller was very firm on price. Apparently a deal fell through on it a week or two back as the seller contacted me to see if I was still interested now that the car was available again but I'm not sure why it didn't sell. Here's the DME, build sheet and recent service report the seller sent me. Looks like a nice car except for the recent over revs. Maybe someone was having fun before they sold it?
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I wouldn't be scared to buy with those ignition 1 and 2 stats.
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Low mileage. Price up there. Love the stitching. If I had the garage space and the money.....
http://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/...rbo--s/1555046 |
Originally Posted by autobonrun
(Post 13805383)
Low mileage. Price up there. Love the stitching. If I had the garage space and the money.....
http://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/...rbo--s/1555046 |
Originally Posted by rick brooklyn
(Post 13805441)
Considering it's Marshall Goldman, I'm surprised it's that cheap, for an almost zero miles car. Normally MG are at least 30% higher than what logic dictates.
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another one. Lots of misstatements in the ad. "only one for sale in the US"; $12k below average.
https://www.carsforsale.com/vehicle/details/25496774 |
Originally Posted by autobonrun
(Post 13818178)
another one. Lots of misstatements in the ad. "only one for sale in the US"; $12k below average.
https://www.carsforsale.com/vehicle/details/25496774 They also jacked the price. It was 70 back in April when they received it. I offered 40 and thought I was being fair. And yes I do know what a TTS is worth. |
Originally Posted by autobonrun
another one. Lots of misstatements in the ad. "only one for sale in the US"; $12k below average.
https://www.carsforsale.com/vehicle/details/25496774 https://www.ebay.com/itm/182382256564 |
yeah, and at that price, it'll sit on their lot for another year.
when they list it for 50 and it sells. |
Originally Posted by "02996ttx50
(Post 13818775)
yeah, and at that price, it'll sit on their lot for another year.
when they list it for 50 and it sells. |
Wishing price!
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This one is a good color combo, X50 and aero kit with only 12k miles for only $75,000.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/322361054578?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...966ac61e0f.jpg |
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2005 TTS, 6 speed, coupe, low miles. No reserve and less than hour left. Will be interesting to see what it goes for, low $70's?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-Porsche...m=122268787804 |
Originally Posted by Nate2046
(Post 13825959)
2005 TTS, 6 speed, coupe, low miles. No reserve and less than hour left. Will be interesting to see what it goes for, low $70's?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-Porsche...m=122268787804 I had not seen an embossed center storage compartment lid like that before... |
Originally Posted by cbracerx
(Post 13826512)
$65,100
I had not seen an embossed center storage compartment lid like that before... |
Yeah, that's a nice one.
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Originally Posted by Nate2046
(Post 13825959)
2005 TTS, 6 speed, coupe, low miles. No reserve and less than hour left. Will be interesting to see what it goes for, low $70's?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-Porsche...m=122268787804 |
I have seen this seen dealt with various ways.
I think the general consensus is that you do one before the auction ends. However, I have seen people that stand behind their car, and state that you can do a PPI after the auction closes. |
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Originally Posted by cbracerx
$65,100
I had not seen an embossed center storage compartment lid like that before... https://newyork.craigslist.org/stn/ctd/5923069661.html |
Originally Posted by Corso
(Post 13827441)
Something is up with this car, or perhaps the seller. That was its second time listed on eBay, first time the hammer fell at $64,400. And he's also running an ad on CL asking $98,900.
https://newyork.craigslist.org/stn/ctd/5923069661.html |
I was just at Auto Assets in Ohio today getting service done, and they have a yellow 2001 turbo with only 13 k miles on it- it looked new. Ask is 55 k. A lovely car.
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Originally Posted by Corso
(Post 13827441)
Something is up with this car, or perhaps the seller. That was its second time listed on eBay, first time the hammer fell at $64,400. And he's also running an ad on CL asking $98,900.
https://newyork.craigslist.org/stn/ctd/5923069661.html |
Originally Posted by Brig993
This car has been for sale on and off for several months. It is located in NYC and the seller is a small dealer/flipper. I spoke to the seller about it back in September when looking at the the silver 2003 x50 996tt with super low miles (4,xxx mi) he had for sale at the time that was posted in this thread. He had just acquired the car and wanted 80k+ for it back then. He had no service records for the car. Seems to have fallen a bit short on the price of the last ebay sale and had several sales that failed to close for some reason or another.
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Originally Posted by Brig993
(Post 13828389)
This car has been for sale on and off for several months. It is located in NYC and the seller is a small dealer/flipper. I spoke to the seller about it back in September when looking at the the silver 2003 x50 996tt with super low miles (4,xxx mi) he had for sale at the time that was posted in this thread. He had just acquired the car and wanted 80k+ for it back then. He had no service records for the car. Seems to have fallen a bit short on the price of the last ebay sale and had several sales that failed to close for some reason or another.
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Originally Posted by Corso
(Post 13828414)
I would speculate the winning bids on the eBay listings were ghost bids. Obviously mid-$60s is a long way off from $98k, or even $80k. My guess is the car is still available.
Bidder Information Bidder: p***w ( 557Feedback score is 500 to 999) Feedback: 100% Positive Item description: 2005 Porsche 911 Turbo S Bids on this item: 4 30-Day Summary Total bids: 10 Items bid on: 5 Bid activity (%) with this seller: 40% Bid retractions: 0 Bid retractions (6 months): 0 |
Originally Posted by napoleon1981
What service records would you expect on a 4k mile car?
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Originally Posted by napoleon1981
(Post 13828471)
What service records would you expect on a 4k mile car?
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:eek: Ok, you're right, that definitely looks shady. So do people just have a friend put in a bid for the minimum they'd take for the car? Gives the appearance of a no reserve auction when it isn't really. Seems like EBay would have a way to figure that s@@t out, but they probably don't care.
Originally Posted by cbracerx
(Post 13828501)
Fraudulent Bidding on eBay?!! I'm shocked! ;)
Bidder Information Bidder: p***w ( 557Feedback score is 500 to 999) Feedback: 100% Positive Item description: 2005 Porsche 911 Turbo S Bids on this item: 4 30-Day Summary Total bids: 10 Items bid on: 5 Bid activity (%) with this seller: 40% Bid retractions: 0 Bid retractions (6 months): 0 |
Originally Posted by Corso
(Post 13828512)
12k
10 - 12 Oil changes / 2 - 4 Brake Fluids minimally. |
Originally Posted by autobonrun
(Post 13827175)
I'm not familiar with the Ebay process, when someone buys a car through Ebay, is any inspection or PPI allowed as a condition for final sale, or is it a matter of having to bid and hope there's nothing major?
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Originally Posted by napoleon1981
(Post 13828471)
What service records would you expect on a 4k mile car?
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Originally Posted by Jymmybob
(Post 13829275)
I just bought one off Ebay and I just asked the seller prior to sale that if I won, would he be open to me having a PPI done prior to paying and he said yes. Just treat them as any other seller and it's nothing exotic other than the time limit and you'll be fine.
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Originally Posted by napoleon1981
What service records would you expect on a 4k mile car?
Originally Posted by pirahna
Not even due for it's first oil change for another 1k miles right? :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Berra
.Oil change at least once a year, driven or not.
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Couple nice ones...
Really like the white... https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0117-27...che-911-turbo/ https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0117-27...1-turbo-coupe/ |
least offensive gemballa stuff ever. the white is a beaut, for sure. probably sells for 60.
as for the black one with an estimate of up to 80k!? they've been in the FLA sun too long lol still, a great looking low miles car. though i think i spy a bmc filter in there(?) wonder what all else if anything they've done to a 6500 mile car? |
Originally Posted by pirahna
(Post 13829779)
Not even due for it's first oil change for another 1k miles right? :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Corso
(Post 13830003)
Couple nice ones...
Really like the white... https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0117-27...che-911-turbo/ https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0117-27...1-turbo-coupe/ |
Originally Posted by napoleon1981
(Post 13828471)
What service records would you expect on a 4k mile car?
Originally Posted by sanyata
(Post 13828557)
10 - 12 Oil changes / 2 - 4 Brake Fluids minimally.
Originally Posted by napoleon1981
(Post 13828958)
And if they are not present, definitely run, bc its going to explode. :D
Originally Posted by pirahna
(Post 13829779)
Not even due for it's first oil change for another 1k miles right? :rolleyes:
Originally Posted by napoleon1981
(Post 13830209)
Did i say that?:nono::nono:
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-Porsche...3D302170470262
Please share your professional opinions on this one. |
Originally Posted by 808Bill
(Post 13832659)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-Porsche...3D302170470262
Please share your professional opinions on this one. That fool managed to mistype the mileage for that car on his own website, he entered it with one extra zero so one million miles. |
Originally Posted by 808Bill
(Post 13832659)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-Porsche...3D302170470262
Please share your professional opinions on this one. |
Originally Posted by 808Bill
(Post 13832659)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-Porsche...3D302170470262
Please share your professional opinions on this one. edit; only concern is the black wheel which either means they upgraded the wheel to that silver two-tone and could only find it in black or it's possible they blew the airbag and that was the easiest one to find. I'd bet on the former because that's a terribly lazy way to try to hide an accident so it's likely just questionable taste. |
Originally Posted by xmaciek82x
(Post 13832756)
WOW. 2002 6spd with 107k miles for $32k. That's actually pretty cheap. Looks decent shape too.
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Originally Posted by rick brooklyn
(Post 13833099)
On what basis does it look cheap? For all we know it might have thousands in deferred maint. The seller doesn't know or doesn't give a **** apparently, not sure which is worst.
I'm not in the market for another 996tt so I'm not willing to invest any more time into seeing if this car is a good buy or not. I'm not implying someone should hit the "buy it now" button without doing their homework. |
Originally Posted by autobonrun
(Post 13828312)
That is interesting. It shows to still be for sale at $98k even on their carsfromusa website but sold with no reserve on ebay for much less.
Just an FYI on this car, I actually ended up the high bidder and when I called to make arrangements for the payment, the Seller refused to sell the car for the final price. He said his secretary had made a mistake in not listing it with a reserve price. When I spoke with him a couple of days earlier he of course never mentioned this situation. That possibility aside, he was very sarcastic and unpleasant on the phone and should the opportunity arise, you should be very careful in dealing with him. On to finding another 2005 TTS coupe! |
Originally Posted by nwchips
(Post 13833257)
Just an FYI on this car, I actually ended up the high bidder and when I called to make arrangements for the payment, the Seller refused to sell the car for the final price. He said his secretary had made a mistake in not listing it with a reserve price. When I spoke with him a couple of days earlier he of course never mentioned this situation. That possibility aside, he was very sarcastic and unpleasant on the phone and should the opportunity arise, you should be very careful in dealing with him. On to finding another 2005 TTS coupe!
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Originally Posted by nwchips
(Post 13833257)
Just an FYI on this car, I actually ended up the high bidder and when I called to make arrangements for the payment, the Seller refused to sell the car for the final price. He said his secretary had made a mistake in not listing it with a reserve price. When I spoke with him a couple of days earlier he of course never mentioned this situation. That possibility aside, he was very sarcastic and unpleasant on the phone and should the opportunity arise, you should be very careful in dealing with him. On to finding another 2005 TTS coupe!
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Originally Posted by nwchips
Just an FYI on this car, I actually ended up the high bidder and when I called to make arrangements for the payment, the Seller refused to sell the car for the final price. He said his secretary had made a mistake in not listing it with a reserve price. When I spoke with him a couple of days earlier he of course never mentioned this situation. That possibility aside, he was very sarcastic and unpleasant on the phone and should the opportunity arise, you should be very careful in dealing with him. On to finding another 2005 TTS coupe!
**Edit** Were you the high bidder the first time around, or this most recent listing? |
Out of principle, I did report him to Ebay. That said, I think "karma" takes care of these things in the end.
I didn't see his earlier auction and only bid on the most recent one. |
Originally Posted by Corso
(Post 13833767)
Wow! That's unreal. I would be HOT!! Sorry to hear that. Definitely try to report him to eBay.
**Edit** Were you the high bidder the first time around, or this most recent listing?
Originally Posted by nwchips
(Post 13839971)
Out of principle, I did report him to Ebay. That said, I think "karma" takes care of these things in the end.
I didn't see his earlier auction and only bid on the most recent one. http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/...nding-bid.html |
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Originally Posted by kcattorney
Just fyi, bids on real estate and vehicles on ebay are "non-binding" and do not create a contract:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/...nding-bid.html If I am the high bidder on a car (I have been twice on eBay, fortunately both sellers were honest people and the transactions went off without a hitch) and you decide you're not going to sell that car to me, prepare yourself for a very unpleasant situation. That's complete and utter BS. **Edit** Read the fourth bullet: |
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Originally Posted by kcattorney
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Corso - Just giving you a hard time. That gif cracks me up whenever I see it! I agree with you that it is pretty crappy to back out of a deal, whether ebay treats is as a binding offer or not.
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Found this one owner Canadian gem listed under 911T (vice 911) on autoTRADER:
http://m.autotrader.ca/a/19_9918503?...srt=3&showVs=1 approx 59k USD amazing car!! |
Originally Posted by Keo
(Post 13844116)
Found this one owner Canadian gem listed under 911T (vice 911) on autoTRADER:
http://m.autotrader.ca/a/19_9918503?...srt=3&showVs=1 approx 59k USD amazing car!! |
Originally Posted by KM1959
(Post 13845973)
Maybe I missed sonething but I think it's a just a "nice" car. What makes it amazing other than its price which seems $10K too high?
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Originally Posted by Keo
(Post 13846321)
One owner, x50, less than 22000 miles. Looks pristine to me. I doubt you could find something equivalent for 49k
Plus you can sell those tacky HREs for good money. |
It's $59K US, not $49K. Not a great deal IMO.
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Originally Posted by rick brooklyn
(Post 13846734)
Yeah no way you can find low miles all stock x50 for less than $49k.
Plus you can sell those tacky HREs for good money. To be clear, I'm not knocking the car, but if I were in the market I wouldn't consider it unless it were at least $10K cheaper. At $59K I'd be looking at 997TTs. |
Originally Posted by KM1959
(Post 13848036)
Different strokes I guess. I like those wheels. I got my pristene 25K mile car (drove it the next day to a a Porsche Concours without doing a thing and won my class) for way less than that. No, it's not a X50-equipped but I just don't feel that X50 justifies a 50% surcharge. It's also silver/black which I feel is very plain -others find it "classic". ...Back to the different strokes thing.
To be clear, I'm not knocking the car, but if I were in the market I wouldn't consider it unless it were at least $10K cheaper. At $59K I'd be looking at 997TTs. And at $59k good luck finding a manual 997tt in a comparable condition to a 20k mile 996tt lol. |
Originally Posted by Raffey1
(Post 13828330)
I was just at Auto Assets in Ohio today getting service done, and they have a yellow 2001 turbo with only 13 k miles on it- it looked new. Ask is 55 k. A lovely car.
I should add it's about a 3-1/2 hour drive for us and we don't want to drive all the way down there for nothing. |
02 X50 with a nice build sheet: https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=160667473
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AWD, will try to get a closer look soon and let you know.
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If this is the scratch you are referring to:
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...abd5da6e8.jpeg it is curious why the dealer would not have it touched up. That being said, I don't think I'd let a small license plate scratch on the front bumper keep me from buying this car. I'd be more concerned about the front bumperettes - not sure what Porsche was thinking with them and am very glad they changed the bumper design even before the end of the 2001 model year. But, at $56k asking, that car is very reasonably priced given the low mileage and otherwise apparently like-new condition otherwise. I doubt it lasts very long on the market. |
Originally Posted by rick brooklyn
(Post 13848945)
Yeah? Good for you. And happy new year! Like everyone else on this forum can tell you, 2xk mile unmolested X50s are deep in the $50s, that's the market. The guy who sold you your car had no idea what he was selling clearly or he needed the money desperately.
And at $59k good luck finding a manual 997tt in a comparable condition to a 20k mile 996tt lol. X50 cars are shooting up in price, couple of years ago you could get a tts for 50k and an x50 for 40k, not anymore. |
I actually think the dealer did touch that up because I took a couple pictures of the car and the spots are not there, and he did mention something about touching up some small spots on the front. I have a photo of the front of the car and would be happy to send it to you, AWD.
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Here's one that just popped up: Speed Yellow Cab @ $62.5K
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...-9k-miles.html |
Originally Posted by techweenie
(Post 13924940)
Here's one that just popped up: Speed Yellow Cab @ $62.5K
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...-9k-miles.html |
Originally Posted by Yinzer
(Post 13925004)
2 owners in 12 years and less than 10k miles. Hope the next owner actually drives the car.
On the other hand, I see those same individuals, when looking for a car, want a low mileage, pristine example. If there were not individuals that didn't drive their cars much, there would not be low mileage examples out there in the first place. IMO. |
Originally Posted by autobonrun
(Post 13926905)
Not directed at you Yinzer, but I see these type comments on every forum on Rennlist and have never understood why anyone cares one iota what others do with their cars when they buy them. If they want to park it in their living room and set use it as a TV stand, it's their money.
On the other hand, I see those same individuals, when looking for a car, want a low mileage, pristine example. If there were not individuals that didn't drive their cars much, there would not be low mileage examples out there in the first place. IMO. If the PO underuses the car, that's a good thing. As long as he doesn't also unserservice it. The PO may have had 14 cars and apportioned his driving between them. Not to mention convertibles have seasons, so I could rationalize a seasonally-used convertible... Having said that, I don't understand the disproportionate value given to low mileage Porsches, as they generally have a couple hundred thousand miles of service life. |
This 20K mile blue X50 beauty definitely looks like it qualifies for this thread...
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...MEDFBDPANFDESK Sure, I'd prefer a black interior, but the midnight blue exterior is just brilliant. |
that is a cut above, but geez i'm not a fan of the graphite grey cabins. had that in my 964. got rid of it.
but the blue X the silver gt3 wheels is quite the look. |
Agreed, light gray interior and tan interior are deal breakers and should be much less $$$
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Originally Posted by s65e90
(Post 13946667)
Agreed, light gray interior and tan interior are deal breakers and should be much less $$$
Red, on the other hand.... |
Originally Posted by docboy
(Post 13947302)
To each their own... I purposefully looked for a 996tt with a light gray interior. IMHO light gray interior along with carbon fiber makes for a nice looking inside. I see gray and black interiors as non offensive colors.
Red, on the other hand.... |
at least we all agree that blue is spectacular!
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Originally Posted by Road King
(Post 13947570)
at least we all agree that blue is spectacular!
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Originally Posted by Road King
(Post 13945163)
This 20K mile blue X50 beauty definitely looks like it qualifies for this thread...
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...MEDFBDPANFDESK Sure, I'd prefer a black interior, but the midnight blue exterior is just brilliant. |
Apologies moderators if this post is misplaced....
but do any of you experts know of someone that can act as a BROKER for finding these "prestige" market cars for me? I'm in the market for a 996tt/997.1tt but I'm realizing after all the research I've done I still have no idea of what's a TRULY "good/bad" deal. I need someone who knows a lot more than I do to do the work for me. I have a guy that does something similar for me for my other cars. He'll scour the auction market for a particular late model car, handle the inspection and delivery to me... no problems. I'll save ~ 15% + his cut ($1k-2.5k) This works because the market for any non-exotic brand, less than 4 years old is very efficient. Conversely, I feel the used 10+ year-old 911 Turbo market is inefficient/idiosyncratic. I don't have the time/capacity/expertise to do things like compression testing, intermix checks, bore scoring analysis, checking welds of the coolant lines, etc etc etc... and I wouldn't know how to discount for those things, if it were an issue. So in other words... who can I hire and pay about $1-2k to do this for me? |
Originally Posted by nycarb
(Post 13948928)
Apologies moderators if this post is misplaced....
but do any of you experts know of someone that can act as a BROKER for finding these "prestige" market cars for me? I'm in the market for a 996tt/997.1tt but I'm realizing after all the research I've done I still have no idea of what's a TRULY "good/bad" deal. I need someone who knows a lot more than I do to do the work for me. I have a guy that does something similar for me for my other cars. He'll scour the auction market for a particular late model car, handle the inspection and delivery to me... no problems. I'll save ~ 15% + his cut ($1k-2.5k) This works because the market for any non-exotic brand, less than 4 years old is very efficient. Conversely, I feel the used 10+ year-old 911 Turbo market is inefficient/idiosyncratic. I don't have the time/capacity/expertise to do things like compression testing, intermix checks, bore scoring analysis, checking welds of the coolant lines, etc etc etc... and I wouldn't know how to discount for those things, if it were an issue. So in other words... who can I hire and pay about $1-2k to do this for me? you'll get a lot of hands going up I'm sure, self-included. I know the 996tt market well, having just spent a long time finding myself a nice x50. And I just sourced 2 other cars for people (non-Porsche). so if you're serious, I'd be more than happy to help. PM if you like. |
Originally Posted by nycarb
(Post 13948928)
Apologies moderators if this post is misplaced....
but do any of you experts know of someone that can act as a BROKER for finding these "prestige" market cars for me? I'm in the market for a 996tt/997.1tt but I'm realizing after all the research I've done I still have no idea of what's a TRULY "good/bad" deal. I need someone who knows a lot more than I do to do the work for me. I have a guy that does something similar for me for my other cars. He'll scour the auction market for a particular late model car, handle the inspection and delivery to me... no problems. I'll save ~ 15% + his cut ($1k-2.5k) This works because the market for any non-exotic brand, less than 4 years old is very efficient. Conversely, I feel the used 10+ year-old 911 Turbo market is inefficient/idiosyncratic. I don't have the time/capacity/expertise to do things like compression testing, intermix checks, bore scoring analysis, checking welds of the coolant lines, etc etc etc... and I wouldn't know how to discount for those things, if it were an issue. So in other words... who can I hire and pay about $1-2k to do this for me? I would be happy to help you. I have purchased 35+ cars and have been working on cars for 20 years. I am a licensed auto appraiser and do high end vehicle valuations. I know the market very, very well and I work on a 996 turbo so I am very familiar with it's mechanics and intricacies. I would be happy to assist you in any way I can. I also emailed you as well. Feel free to call me at the number I sent to you via email if you'd like to discuss what I can offer to you. Thanks in advance, Joseph |
Originally Posted by nycarb
(Post 13948928)
Apologies moderators if this post is misplaced....
but do any of you experts know of someone that can act as a BROKER for finding these "prestige" market cars for me? I'm in the market for a 996tt/997.1tt but I'm realizing after all the research I've done I still have no idea of what's a TRULY "good/bad" deal. I need someone who knows a lot more than I do to do the work for me. I have a guy that does something similar for me for my other cars. He'll scour the auction market for a particular late model car, handle the inspection and delivery to me... no problems. I'll save ~ 15% + his cut ($1k-2.5k) This works because the market for any non-exotic brand, less than 4 years old is very efficient. Conversely, I feel the used 10+ year-old 911 Turbo market is inefficient/idiosyncratic. I don't have the time/capacity/expertise to do things like compression testing, intermix checks, bore scoring analysis, checking welds of the coolant lines, etc etc etc... and I wouldn't know how to discount for those things, if it were an issue. So in other words... who can I hire and pay about $1-2k to do this for me? |
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Thanks everyone for the feedback. I will be replying soon to those that reached out to me.
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Originally Posted by Carlo_Carrera
(Post 13953368)
Did techweenie assist you in buying your Targa?
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Originally Posted by Road King
(Post 13945163)
This 20K mile blue X50 beauty definitely looks like it qualifies for this thread...
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...MEDFBDPANFDESK Sure, I'd prefer a black interior, but the midnight blue exterior is just brilliant. Need to straighten out those exhaust tips. |
Originally Posted by TT Surgeon
(Post 13962437)
Man, that's a nice one!
Need to straighten out those exhaust tips. Maybe if it had regular leather vs. supple I could get into the light gray, but I'm still picturing this car with an all black gut. That would be special! |
I absolutely love that one! https://www.excellence-mag.com/class...7#.WKVOyxDBShQ
Does it qualify for that thread or what? |
Oh, yeah. Nice one, Aero Kit, X50, factory carbon that looks to be in nice shape, sport seats with factory paint to match..sharp looking car for sure.
Originally Posted by pnyr
(Post 13965372)
I absolutely love that one! https://www.excellence-mag.com/class...7#.WKVOyxDBShQ
Does it qualify for that thread or what? |
Originally Posted by pnyr
(Post 13965372)
I absolutely love that one! https://www.excellence-mag.com/class...7#.WKVOyxDBShQ
Does it qualify for that thread or what? *Sorry Newbie question.* |
Originally Posted by JesusFast
What Spoiler is that?
*Sorry Newbie question.* |
Originally Posted by jeanmarcboilard
(Post 13966179)
Factory Aerokit wing.
The one I'm looking at has this spoiler...so I had to ask |
Originally Posted by JesusFast
THANKS!
The one I'm looking at has this spoiler...so I had to ask |
Originally Posted by jeanmarcboilard
(Post 13966540)
IMO it's a nice feature. I really like mine for the look, the added downforce, and that it's stationary so you don't have to deal with the hydraulics failing.
I wasn't sure how I like how it looked before... but it's growing on me. |
Originally Posted by pnyr
(Post 13965372)
I absolutely love that one! https://www.excellence-mag.com/class...7#.WKVOyxDBShQ
Does it qualify for that thread or what? It definitely has some nice touches. I like the belts and the pedal set, |
Originally Posted by autobonrun
(Post 13970320)
I see it has Coco mats, I just put a set in my TT. The retro look is a nice temporary change up IMO.
It definitely has some nice touches. I like the belts and the pedal set, |
Originally Posted by kcattorney
(Post 13970558)
Gerald- You are about to convince me to get a set of coco mats for my car. Won't make it a Prestige Thread car, but maybe add a little shred of class to it.
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Found this on cargurus's.. to good to be true??
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...004_isFeatured |
It sounds like it. You can have the 996 turbo. Ill take the GT3RS for 55k.
http://www.centralautodms.com/2007_P...IA_8373199.veh |
Originally Posted by gophaster
(Post 13965968)
Oh, yeah. Nice one, Aero Kit, X50, factory carbon that looks to be in nice shape, sport seats with factory paint to match..sharp looking car for sure.
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Yeah, that was pretty darn quick!
Originally Posted by manimal
(Post 13976024)
Didn't last too long! No longer available.
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Sweet deal by the looks of it. Seller left a little money on table IMO.
https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...he-911-tt.html |
Originally Posted by docboy
(Post 13947302)
To each their own... I purposefully looked for a 996tt with a light gray interior. IMHO light gray interior along with carbon fiber makes for a nice looking inside. I see gray and black interiors as non offensive colors.
Red, on the other hand.... This. |
A 2004 black on black 6 speed, sport seats non X50 car with clean history and 14k miles for 50k is a good price?
Im just starting to look for one so Im not very current on the market |
Originally Posted by JGC930
(Post 13994696)
A 2004 black on black 6 speed, sport seats non X50 car with clean history and 14k miles for 50k is a good price?
Im just starting to look for one so Im not very current on the market Helluva lot of car for $50K. |
Originally Posted by JGC930
(Post 13994696)
A 2004 black on black 6 speed, sport seats non X50 car with clean history and 14k miles for 50k is a good price?
Im just starting to look for one so Im not very current on the market |
Originally Posted by JGC930
(Post 13994696)
A 2004 black on black 6 speed, sport seats non X50 car with clean history and 14k miles for 50k is a good price?
Im just starting to look for one so Im not very current on the market |
Originally Posted by JGC930
(Post 13994696)
A 2004 black on black 6 speed, sport seats non X50 car with clean history and 14k miles for 50k is a good price?
Im just starting to look for one so Im not very current on the market uhhhh, that's a terrible price...please tell me exactly where it is and how to contact the owner so I can tell him directly |
Originally Posted by Signalmtb
uhhhh, that's a terrible price...please tell me exactly where it is and how to contact the owner so I can tell him directly
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This one definitely fits the bill, absolutely stunning! 18k, Turbo S Cab, 6MT. Should bring very strong money next weekend
http://rmsothebys.com/am17/amelia-is...riolet/1701948 |
Originally Posted by mjb2503
(Post 14007588)
This one definitely fits the bill, absolutely stunning! 18k, Turbo S Cab, 6MT. Should bring very strong money next weekend
http://rmsothebys.com/am17/amelia-is...riolet/1701948 |
'05 TTS coupe with 193 original miles, what a waste!
http://inventory.mgmsl.com/web/used/...Ohio/36110315/ |
Might not be a waste for the next owner. ;)
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Depends on the asking price! ;)
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First 6-figure TTS? Should be interesting to see how long it lasts..
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Originally Posted by mjb2503
(Post 14020431)
First 6-figure TTS? Should be interesting to see how long it lasts..
For a collector that w/should basically be the holy grail of all TTSs. |
Originally Posted by mjb2503
(Post 14020431)
First 6-figure TTS? Should be interesting to see how long it lasts..
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Just bought a 04 X50 with 60k miles for 45k. Needs a clutch though.
Black on Black with Aero Package |
Here's an 03 with 14k miles for $69,500 on ebay. http://www.ebay.com/itm/2003-Porsche...xYwxYV&vxp=mtr
This car almost makes the red 03 X50 aero car for $75k seem like a reasonable deal. I'm seeing quite a few more cars in the $60k+ range this spring than there were last year. Right now there are 14 on Autotrader at $59.9k+. |
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The 996TTs were very undervalued for a very long time but this recent climb upward is starting to look a bit bubblish.
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I think the new types of buyers are looking for "drivable classics." Meaning cars that are gaining in value because of their age/collectibility, and are also comfortable to drive.
I am around air-cools every day, and some of them I would hate to drive for more than 50 miles at a time.. Whereas the 996TTs are the exact opposite! They are comfortable enough, not too computerized, super fast, and you can feel the power and the car working the road. In other words, they are becoming the perfect "in-between" the old air-cool era and the new water-cool era. The 993TTs are the only rivals in thrill and comfort to the 996TTs, and it's starting to make sense for the new type of buyer to pay $50k instead of $130k to achieve the similar effect. This new spike in price dos not surprise me a bit.. Supply and demand. Simple as that. Eventually the price will climb high enough where it will no longer make sense.. And it will go back down. Just like it did with the air-cools. The question is.. Where will it top off? Some of the 2005 996TT S models are close to 6 figures.. Will that be the norm for the rest of the X50s in few years.. I hope so. Because that means the economy is kicking ass! And I am all for that. |
I have been shopping the 996 for the past few months in the Chicago area every time I would call about one I would get "we just sold it yesterday." This got a bit frustrating after a while.
I closed the deal on one 2 weeks ago. 04 TT Tip Hardtop Cab with 24K on it. Brand new tires, just serviced, H&R springs and few few other extras. It had been meticulously maintained by the PO and had all the service records. Apparently they had 2 other people waiting for me to drop out of the deal. What an amazing car. Loving it. |
Originally Posted by cwilt
(Post 14034905)
I have been shopping the 996 for the past few months in the Chicago area every time I would call about one I would get "we just sold it yesterday." This got a bit frustrating after a while.
I closed the deal on one 2 weeks ago. 04 TT Tip Hardtop Cab with 24K on it. Brand new tires, just serviced, H&R springs and few few other extras. It had been meticulously maintained by the PO and had all the service records. Apparently they had 2 other people waiting for me to drop out of the deal. What an amazing car. Loving it. |
As it was a tip, it should've been a bit south of all the top numbers here...
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Sorry Carlo I meant to post that. $51K
I missed one with similar specs and miles for $47K |
Originally Posted by cwilt
(Post 14035213)
Sorry Carlo I meant to post that. $51K
I missed one with similar specs and miles for $47K |
I agree! 996tt technically is the "in-between" the air-cool and water-cool era with an additional bonus of having the Mezger engine which itself is a direct link to the older style engines (complete with 964# on the engine tag). It's pretty awesome when you think about it...seriously :rockon:
I've been watching the market for about 5 years now and while it is interesting to see this play out and I'm really happy our old girl is finally getting the respect she deserves...I have Zero plans of ever selling her so it's all just fun for me!
Originally Posted by mulsanne79
(Post 14034720)
I think the new types of buyers are looking for "drivable classics." Meaning cars that are gaining in value because of their age/collectibility, and are also comfortable to drive.
I am around air-cools every day, and some of them I would hate to drive for more than 50 miles at a time.. Whereas the 996TTs are the exact opposite! They are comfortable enough, not too computerized, super fast, and you can feel the power and the car working the road. In other words, they are becoming the perfect "in-between" the old air-cool era and the new water-cool era. The 993TTs are the only rivals in thrill and comfort to the 996TTs, and it's starting to make sense for the new type of buyer to pay $50k instead of $130k to achieve the similar effect. This new spike in price dos not surprise me a bit.. Supply and demand. Simple as that. Eventually the price will climb high enough where it will no longer make sense.. And it will go back down. Just like it did with the air-cools. The question is.. Where will it top off? Some of the 2005 996TT S models are close to 6 figures.. Will that be the norm for the rest of the X50s in few years.. I hope so. Because that means the economy is kicking ass! And I am all for that. |
Originally Posted by Carlo_Carrera
(Post 14034545)
The 996TTs were very undervalued for a very long time but this recent climb upward is starting to look a bit bubblish.
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Originally Posted by manimal
(Post 14037147)
I don't necessarily disagree, but you'd still be hard pressed to find a comparable performance machine in the ~$50k range.
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Agreed. :cheers:
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It's only got one key. No way would I pay more than $90K for that one:thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by mffarrell
(Post 14041021)
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...2cdaa86933.jpg |
It's funny how it works. Instead of appreciating that our cars go up in value and be happy if they sell at whatever price in the upper range, people start to make fun of them.
I hope they get 90k> for that gem of a Turbo. That's a fairly normal price for these cars in Europe right now. I will probably never sell mine, but this is fun to watch and I'm happy that our "ugly duckling" is starting to get the attention it deserves. |
Originally Posted by ScottKelly911
(Post 14041243)
They're smoking some good stuff over there! Hahah That's GT2 money on the low end of the GT2 market.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...2cdaa86933.jpg |
Originally Posted by Carlo_Carrera
I do not think you can get a 996 GT2 for under $100k these days.
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does this now put the cost to entry delta for a 996 turbo btw 25K and 100k? that's a helluva spread.
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That's sad...how in hell can someone buy a car and just let it sit? 193 miles...
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Originally Posted by Carlo_Carrera
(Post 14041402)
I do not think you can get a 996 GT2 for under $100k these days.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2003-Porsche...hY1ad-&vxp=mtr
Originally Posted by Berra
(Post 14041658)
No, you can't. Unless it's a higher mileage one with some kind of history.
Originally Posted by "02996ttx50
(Post 14059630)
does this now put the cost to entry delta for a 996 turbo btw 25K and 100k? that's a helluva spread.
Originally Posted by Berra
(Post 14059860)
That's sad...how in hell can someone buy a car and just let it sit? 193 miles...
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Originally Posted by Berra
(Post 14059860)
That's sad...how in hell can someone buy a car and just let it sit? 193 miles...
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Originally Posted by mffarrell
(Post 14059406)
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Originally Posted by Carlo_Carrera
(Post 14060657)
Some people like cars as sculpture.
pass the bong. on second thought. nah. i probably don't need it. lol. |
Originally Posted by Carlo_Carrera
(Post 14060657)
Some people like cars as sculpture.
On the other hand, $150k spent on an '05 Ford GT would've been a helluva investment. |
Originally Posted by kcattorney
(Post 14063823)
Probably bought it as an investment. $140k+ purchase price. 12 years and 193 miles later, it's worth probably $70k ish.
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Here's a low mileage example for sale on the PCA classifieds with only 7,900 miles with an asking price of $66,500. https://www.pca.org/classified-ad/320346
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It seems that car is going through the flip cycle. Great color.
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/a...nal-green.html |
I'm coming into this thread as a seller of car that probably qualifies and need some pricing opinions. 2003 Guards Red over Natural Brown 6-speed coupe. X50 but no Aero kit and no ceramic brakes. Current mileage is just under 9K. I bought it two years ago with ~5K miles. Other than a great trip to Rennsport Reunion V I haven't driven it much. Not a practical car for where I live so it needs to go where it will be driven more. I paid a premium for it when I bought it. Most likely going to a family member and I want to be fair to them. Thoughts?
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I would expect to see a car like that for sale for high 60s or into the 70s if it is a 6spd. Maybe more. Sounds like a nice car and a good color combo!
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Originally Posted by johnlush
(Post 14072077)
I'm coming into this thread as a seller of car that probably qualifies and need some pricing opinions. 2003 Guards Red over Natural Brown 6-speed coupe. X50 but no Aero kit and no ceramic brakes. Current mileage is just under 9K. I bought it two years ago with ~5K miles. Other than a great trip to Rennsport Reunion V I haven't driven it much. Not a practical car for where I live so it needs to go where it will be driven more. I paid a premium for it when I bought it. Most likely going to a family member and I want to be fair to them. Thoughts?
GLWS> |
Thanks to Steven954 for finding this 10k mile 2001 6 speed coupe. Dealership asking $67k.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-Porsche...53.m1438.l2649 https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...572dcb94f8.jpg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...84cc50bf4f.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...312d10c0ef.jpg |
When this car gets listed for sale (which I'm guessing will be within the next couple of days) I think we will be able to close this thread LOL, J/K :to_order::to_order: Seriously though...
194 miles 2005 Turbo S - 6 MT ... Holy Sh*T :bowdown: https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...6f0a829287.jpg |
Originally Posted by gophaster
(Post 14190473)
When this car gets listed for sale (which I'm guessing will be within the next couple of days) I think we will be able to close this thread LOL, J/K :to_order::to_order: Seriously though...
194 miles 2005 Turbo S - 6 MT ... Holy Sh*T :bowdown: https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...6f0a829287.jpg |
Didn't even realize it was the Marshall Goldman car...oh well, that new dealer is about 10 minutes from my house if anyone needs a rennfax!!! Just a guess but I'm sure there will be no test drives. :jumper: :thumbup:
Originally Posted by RClurg84
(Post 14190524)
It's been on eBay twice... http://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-Porsche...xY~lNk&vxp=mtr
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Not that we'll ever find out, but what's your over/under for the $ the dealer has in the car? I say $80k.
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I must have gotten pretty lucky....when my fiance and I were searching for her first Porsche, we stumbled upon an '03 996TT with 13k miles. Seal gray over black with carbon interior package. Car had Champion wheels, K24 turbos, intake/exhaust, and clutch all done. We took it home for $55k.
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Originally Posted by awes3939
(Post 14190845)
I must have gotten pretty lucky....when my fiance and I were searching for her first Porsche, we stumbled upon an '03 996TT with 13k miles. Seal gray over black with carbon interior package. Car had Champion wheels, K24 turbos, intake/exhaust, and clutch all done. We took it home for $55k.
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Originally Posted by Carlo_Carrera
(Post 14190899)
How long ago was it? Regardless, yes, you did well with your purchase. The 996TT market has really changed in the past year.
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Carlo Carrera. Question for you as I have been off the site for over a year and haven't kept up with the market. In January 2016 I passed on a super clean 2005 996TT S Cabriolet (6MT, PCCB) with 16K miles at $60K. At the time the 996TT market was pretty soft and I thought it might firm up in the future. I was thinking that a low miles, highly optioned Turbo S made in the last year of production might do well over time. I ended up going with a really nice 2010 997.2TT CPO (PDK, PCCB, heavy options) with 37K miles. I don't regret my choice, as I'm loving the 997.2TT, just curious about how well that 996TT has done in the past year. Jeff
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Originally Posted by Oregonian
(Post 14192261)
Carlo Carrera. Question for you as I have been off the site for over a year and haven't kept up with the market. In January 2016 I passed on a super clean 2005 996TT S Cabriolet (6MT, PCCB) with 16K miles at $60K. At the time the 996TT market was pretty soft and I thought it might firm up in the future. I was thinking that a low miles, highly optioned Turbo S made in the last year of production might do well over time. I ended up going with a really nice 2010 997.2TT CPO (PDK, PCCB, heavy options) with 37K miles at $70K. I don't regret my choice, as I'm loving the 997.2TT, just curious about how well that 996TT has done in the past year. Jeff
I also think the deal you made on your 997TT was pretty good too. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...fff65fe3d7.png |
My brother will likely be offering his 2005 Midnight Blue Metallic TTS 6-speed coupe shortly. 39K miles, $155K MSRP, and Aerokit. Easily the best optioned 996 I've ever come across.
2005 Porsche 911 Turbo S Coupe Division: PCNA Prod Month: 09/2004 Price: $155,170.00 Exterior: Midnight Blue Metallic Interior: Natural Leather Grey Warranty Start: June 04, 2005 Heated Front Seats Thicker Steering Wheel Electric Sport Seat Left Side Electric Sport Seat Right Side Carbon Interior Package Midnight Blue Metallic Sport Seats w/Full Leather Int Natural Leather Grey Stainless Steel Exhaust Pipes Natural Leather Turbo Aerokit Sport Shifter Rims and Caps - Exterior Color Porsche Crest in Headrest Front Floor Mats w/"Porsche" Custom Tailoring |
Originally Posted by dewilmoth
(Post 14192627)
My brother will likely be offering his 2005 Midnight Blue Metallic TTS 6-speed coupe shortly. 39K miles, $155K MSRP, and Aerokit. Easily the best optioned 996 I've ever come across.
2005 Porsche 911 Turbo S Coupe Division: PCNA Prod Month: 09/2004 Price: $155,170.00 Exterior: Midnight Blue Metallic Interior: Natural Leather Grey Warranty Start: June 04, 2005 Heated Front Seats Thicker Steering Wheel Electric Sport Seat Left Side Electric Sport Seat Right Side Carbon Interior Package Midnight Blue Metallic Sport Seats w/Full Leather Int Natural Leather Grey Stainless Steel Exhaust Pipes Natural Leather Turbo Aerokit Sport Shifter Rims and Caps - Exterior Color Porsche Crest in Headrest Front Floor Mats w/"Porsche" Custom Tailoring Bet it's a pretty car. |
Sounds like a nice car and I want the aero package, if interior was black I would be interested. Curious of price?
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Originally Posted by rmc1148
Sounds like a nice car and I want the aero package, if interior was black I would be interested. Curious of price?
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Originally Posted by rmc1148
Sounds like a nice car and I want the aero package, if interior was black I would be interested. Curious of price?
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Originally Posted by z06801
Yes natural Grey is a great interior, it's more like a non shining black.
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Would love to see some pics of what sounds to be a really nice Turbo S
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I thought that was the case with interior color, realized it later. Would like to know more if he decides to sell. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by 405
Would love to see some pics of what sounds to be a really nice Turbo S
Originally Posted by rmc1148
I thought that was the case with interior color, realized it later. Would like to know more if he decides to sell. Thanks.
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What do you guys think this 03 x50 tip with this option list and 23k miles would bring? Car is tip and msrp is canadianhttps://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...3ef78f3f59.jpg
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Depending on condition $55-65k US dollars.
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^^^ Spot on.
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Wow, an X50 tip? Probably not a lot of those made, especially in a coupe.
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Here's a one owner 2004 911 Turbo Cab with 15k miles and paint to sample, X50, PCCB, and 6 speed for $65,996.
http://www.shortlineonline.com/exoti...cca6290fbc.htm Anyone know what the color is? The ad says Cobalt blue but that's not right. There is a picture in the ad with the paint color options but I can't make out the color name from the small photo. |
Originally Posted by B-DUB
(Post 14201381)
Here's a one owner 2004 911 Turbo Cab with 15k miles and paint to sample, X50, PCCB, and 6 speed for $65,996.
http://www.shortlineonline.com/exoti...cca6290fbc.htm Anyone know what the color is? The ad says Cobalt blue but that's not right. There is a picture in the ad with the paint color options but I can't make out the color name from the small photo. Pretty car though. Al |
I agree, a very unique car. I'm looking for an 80s G50 carrera otherwise I'd be tempted to make an offer on it.
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Originally Posted by B-DUB
(Post 14201381)
Here's a one owner 2004 911 Turbo Cab with 15k miles and paint to sample, X50, PCCB, and 6 speed for $65,996.
http://www.shortlineonline.com/exoti...cca6290fbc.htm Anyone know what the color is? The ad says Cobalt blue but that's not right. There is a picture in the ad with the paint color options but I can't make out the color name from the small photo. |
Yeah, window sticker says metallic paint to sample. In the same pic with the window sticker there is a sheet with what appears to be the 2004 paint to sample options. The color looks like it is the second to the top left. I just can't make out the color name from the photo.
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Originally Posted by B-DUB
(Post 14201475)
Yeah, window sticker says metallic paint to sample. In the same pic with the window sticker there is a sheet with what appears to be the 2004 paint to sample options. The color looks like it is the second to the top left. I just can't make out the color name from the photo.
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/7085...nd-you-55.html |
You know what, you're probably right.
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Ice blue was my guess too.
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Great color and at that price the car is a good deal.
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I think I figured it out. The pics in the Autotrader ad can be enlarged and the name of the color is "Zircon."
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Would this 996tt belong in this thread? Are these SY 996tt's fetching this much?
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...modelCode1=911 |
Originally Posted by 996_soon
Would this 996tt belong in this thread? Are these SY 996tt's fetching this much?
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...modelCode1=911 |
Originally Posted by 996_soon
(Post 14204963)
Would this 996tt belong in this thread? Are these SY 996tt's fetching this much?
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...modelCode1=911 |
2005 TTS Cabrio with 3,128 km's
Here's another find for the Prestige thread....offered at $135k CDN !
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/c...ationFlag=true |
Originally Posted by 996_soon
(Post 14204963)
Would this 996tt belong in this thread? Are these SY 996tt's fetching this much?
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...modelCode1=911 |
Lame.
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Originally Posted by SeabrookPorsche
(Post 14208479)
this car was purchased last month for $52 from a private individual. The dealer disguised himself as a private buyer, however he is a dealer and now has it listed as per your link. The seller was pissed to say the least...
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Originally Posted by Carlo_Carrera
(Post 14209460)
I do not understand why the seller would be pissed. Did the disguised dealer force the seller to sell at that price?
Please note the dealer that is selling the car now is not the same dealer that bought it from the owner. |
Originally Posted by SeabrookPorsche
(Post 14209483)
The seller said yes. Once he found out it was a dealer he immdiatly called his attorney. His attorney advised it it could get costly and ugly and not in his favor. I don't know all the details, it just wasn't good. I missed the car by 2 hours myself and kept in constant contact in case the buyer did not pay up. Of course the buyer wired the money the next day as he knew he was getting a smoking deal and he was going to flip it.
Please note the dealer that is selling the car now is not the same dealer that bought it from the owner. |
Originally Posted by Carlo_Carrera
(Post 14209492)
I still not understand why the seller is pissed. Dealer or not he didn't have to sell the car for $52k if he didn't want to. What was there to stop a private buyer from turning around a reselling the car? If the seller got the price he wanted why care?
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Originally Posted by SeabrookPorsche
(Post 14208479)
this car was purchased last month for $52 from a private individual. The dealer disguised himself as a private buyer, however he is a dealer and now has it listed as per your link. The seller was pissed to say the least...
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Originally Posted by rick brooklyn
(Post 14209881)
I loathe and despise flippers as much as the next guy, but in this case, if the seller didn't know he was leaving $10k+ on the table, shame on him for not spending 1hr researching the market.
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Originally Posted by SeabrookPorsche
(Post 14210058)
Fair enough.
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Originally Posted by kcattorney
(Post 14209579)
I get the concept of being pissed at being lied to, but not to the extent of suing someone. The PO of my car had the chance to back out on our deal to sell at a higher price, but he was a man of his word and honored our deal. He said that he googled me and saw that I was a big enthusiast (founded a nonprofit auto museum), so he knew I would appreciate the car. If I had lied and turned around and flipped it, then I would expect him to be pissed.
As the PO of your car did all this fellow had to do was search Google for some background on this buyer/dealer. |
Originally Posted by Carlo_Carrera
(Post 14210095)
I am not sure we know the seller was lied to.
As the PO of your car did all this fellow had to do was search Google for some background on this buyer/dealer. |
Wow. All this butthurt is a total mystery to me.
When I'm selling a car, I prefer dealers/flippers because they don't have to 'arrange the financing,' 'sell the BMW first,' 'get the wife's approval,' etc., etc. |
Originally Posted by techweenie
(Post 14212045)
Wow. All this butthurt is a total mystery to me.
When I'm selling a car, I prefer dealers/flippers because they don't have to 'arrange the financing,' 'sell the BMW first,' 'get the wife's approval,' etc., etc. |
Originally Posted by rick brooklyn
(Post 14212626)
Yeah, well, many other people prefer to get their full money's worth when they sell, and not have to pay for the college tuition of the children of some random scalper when they buy...
If they wanted more $ they should have asked for more $. That's like being upset that your surgeon knows more than you about joints so he gets paid better to fix them. |
Originally Posted by rick brooklyn
(Post 14212626)
Yeah, well, many other people prefer to get their full money's worth when they sell, and not have to pay for the college tuition of the children of some random scalper when they buy...
Car dealers are not my favorite people but if the seller agreed to a sale price then why be upset? Car dealers have mortgages to pay too. |
Originally Posted by Carlo_Carrera
(Post 14213346)
The buying and selling of cars is a lot like the stock market. Looking for an under valued asset to buy and resell later for a profit.
Car dealers are not my favorite people but if the seller agreed to a sale price then why be upset? Car dealers have mortgages to pay too. But in the more general case, your stock market analogy doesn't quite work, in my opinion. Buying an undervalued asset bears the risk that the asset will puke instead of appreciating (that risk is nonexistent with most porsches at this price level). Then the appreciation of the asset would likely manifest itself over a fairly long period of time, or would require activism on the investor's side, or both. But more than anything else, if it's a publicly listed stock, anyone can buy. If I decide not to buy ticket XYZ or WTF and you do and it turns out a great investment, good for you. Car flipping is more like ultra-low latency "trading" (in fact, scalping), which I have nothing against, because they make a penny on $1000, so who cares. Thing is though with cars they siphon off a quarter or a third or more of the value of my purchase, just because they have a bunch of bozos refreshing all car websites all day every day, so **** those ****ing leeches. |
And there's another element where enthusiasts who are passionate about their community of other enthusiasts, would just like to see the car go to another enthusiast within the community. To many of these folks, that desire outweighs leaving a few $k on the table.
I believe the seller of my car only posted it on 6so and here, because he wanted to see it go to an enthusiast. He probably could have gotten more $ if that were his only motivation. While I might personally argue that listing your car at a nice high price ensures that the true enthusiast who wants it the most will get it -- I think there is another element at play with enthusiasts, sometimes. |
Originally Posted by rick brooklyn
(Post 14213693)
Like I said, in this case the seller only has himself to blame.
But in the more general case, your stock market analogy doesn't quite work, in my opinion. Buying an undervalued asset bears the risk that the asset will puke instead of appreciating (that risk is nonexistent with most porsches at this price level). Then the appreciation of the asset would likely manifest itself over a fairly long period of time, or would require activism on the investor's side, or both. But more than anything else, if it's a publicly listed stock, anyone can buy. If I decide not to buy ticket XYZ or WTF and you do and it turns out a great investment, good for you. Car flipping is more like ultra-low latency "trading" (in fact, scalping), which I have nothing against, because they make a penny on $1000, so who cares. Thing is though with cars they siphon off a quarter or a third or more of the value of my purchase, just because they have a bunch of bozos refreshing all car websites all day every day, so **** those ****ing leeches. There is no set price for used Porsches. What if this car the dealer bought blew an engine the day after he bought it? There is risk to used car pricing evaluation and flipping cars. A lot like day trading momentum stocks. Like Tesla. |
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Here's one with 8,500 miles for $85k listed in the for sale section: https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...-optioned.html
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Originally Posted by Danger
(Post 14220889)
Looked at this 996TT. Small dealer selling it. He just got it yesterday and hasn't listed it for sale. 02 with 116k. rough around the edges but told me he'd let me have it at $32k. I'm not going for it, if anyone wants it, here is the contact 6026067416
http://i878.photobucket.com/albums/a...x/IMG_4395.jpg http://i878.photobucket.com/albums/a...x/IMG_4393.jpg http://i878.photobucket.com/albums/a...x/IMG_4392.jpg http://i878.photobucket.com/albums/a...x/IMG_4391.jpghttp://i878.photobucket.com/albums/a...x/IMG_4394.jpg https://rennlist.com/forums/996-turb...ine-finds.html |
Keep 'em coming
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Originally Posted by rick brooklyn
(Post 14241359)
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Here's a low mileage 2003 X50 for $59995.
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used...ting=173819620 if only it was a cab |
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Originally Posted by dewilmoth
(Post 14192627)
My brother will likely be offering his 2005 Midnight Blue Metallic TTS 6-speed coupe shortly. 39K miles, $155K MSRP, and Aerokit. Easily the best optioned 996 I've ever come across.
2005 Porsche 911 Turbo S Coupe Division: PCNA Prod Month: 09/2004 Price: $155,170.00 Exterior: Midnight Blue Metallic Interior: Natural Leather Grey Warranty Start: June 04, 2005 Heated Front Seats Thicker Steering Wheel Electric Sport Seat Left Side Electric Sport Seat Right Side Carbon Interior Package Midnight Blue Metallic Sport Seats w/Full Leather Int Natural Leather Grey Stainless Steel Exhaust Pipes Natural Leather Turbo Aerokit Sport Shifter Rims and Caps - Exterior Color Porsche Crest in Headrest Front Floor Mats w/"Porsche" Custom Tailoring |
^ Beautiful car.
whats his asking? |
Maybe just "near-prestige:"
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ctd/6171345820.html |
Originally Posted by bugeyemilo
(Post 14255476)
^ Beautiful car.
whats his asking? |
Originally Posted by bugeyemilo
^ Beautiful car.
whats his asking?
Originally Posted by Road King
No kidding, that natural gray is close enough to black to make this car a perfect combo. It's stunning!
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Originally Posted by Hosewater2
(Post 14259498)
Maybe just "near-prestige:"
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ctd/6171345820.html |
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Were the painted lower valences ever an option on non-aero cars?
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Originally Posted by manimal
(Post 14260269)
Were the painted lower valences ever an option on non-aero cars?
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Originally Posted by Carlo_Carrera
(Post 14270556)
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Haha, interesting combo for sure.
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Originally Posted by Hosewater2
(Post 14270594)
Curious to see where the number lands on this one. Unique exterior color, tragic interior trim, and $11k for that work? Wow.
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Another to watch - http://www.ebay.com/itm/122559922622...2622&viewitem=
Guy told me he's trying to get 100k because another just like it sold for that at Amelia this year... |
S Cabs are going for a lot but $100k for that color combo and milage is a bit of a stretch.
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http://www.harrisonimports.com/vehic...ut-id-19036798
This one looks very clean. It's at a local dealer that I know. Other than the 997 wheels looks pretty stock. Looked at yesterday on my way home. |
Originally Posted by z06801
(Post 14274908)
http://www.harrisonimports.com/vehic...ut-id-19036798
This one looks very clean. It's at a local dealer that I know. Other than the 997 wheels looks pretty stock. Looked at yesterday on my way home. |
Exhaust looks aftermarket too.
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Originally Posted by z06801
(Post 14274908)
http://www.harrisonimports.com/vehic...ut-id-19036798
This one looks very clean. It's at a local dealer that I know. Other than the 997 wheels looks pretty stock. Looked at yesterday on my way home. |
Originally Posted by RClurg84
What is their asking price for it?
Originally Posted by manimal
Exhaust looks aftermarket too.
Originally Posted by techweenie
Atlas Gray Metallic is a very nice color! Dark gray with a blue undertone.
I don't love the lobster forks on the 996 for some reason. |
Originally Posted by z06801
(Post 14276558)
Around 47k
I'll stop and check it out, didn't look at the exhaust just a quick look at overall condition Love the color, interior look very good and had that crisp new look if that makes sense. I don't love the lobster forks on the 996 for some reason. |
Originally Posted by RClurg84
(Post 14277962)
So I went and looked at this, surprise it's an X50! I did do a test drive, wasn't anything out of the ordinary. It does have an after market exhaust. The interior part of the top needs some attention. It has a pull to the right. I did a pull in 3rd gear and saw .9 bar, assuming it has a tune. They are asking $47,900. Body is straight, was dusty, but didn't see any dings or dents. No warning lights on, did about 10 miles in it.
Cleaned up, it's probably priced to market. |
Originally Posted by Road King
(Post 14278769)
Actually I believe .9 bar is stock the X50. Did if feel kinda soft in the low end / midrange like most stock x50s?
Cleaned up, it's probably priced to market. |
.9 bar is stock for x50, but x50 isn't soft midrange at all. Stock x50 at 3.5k to 4.5k rpm pulls like a freaking freight train.
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Yea as soon as .3 hit it was a frieght train, makes me want to upgrade mine now!
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Lobster forks
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...d6e128a353.jpg 997tt wheels https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...1f9d91356b.jpg |
Sounds like a sweet deal if it's an X50.
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Originally Posted by kcattorney
Lobster forks
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...d6e128a353.jpg 997tt wheels https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...1f9d91356b.jpg |
People who don't go to nice restaurants tend to call them "lobster claws." (probably call 'em "rims," too)
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Man, the lobster wheels are kind of strange.
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Sold for $54k. Seems like a solid deal for both parties.
http://bringatrailer.com/listing/200...e-911-turbo-2/ |
I think it could have brought a few $k more given color and mileage...
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Originally Posted by Carlo_Carrera
(Post 14287004)
Sold for $54k. Seems like a solid deal for both parties.
http://bringatrailer.com/listing/200...e-911-turbo-2/ |
Originally Posted by rick brooklyn
(Post 14288272)
I think it could have brought a few $k more given color and mileage...
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Also keep in mind that buyer has to add 5% in fees on BaT, so it's ~$57k to the buyer.
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Originally Posted by Bloose993TT
(Post 14288987)
Right on the money. If it had Black interior I think it would of been a upper $50s car all day.
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^ Good points.
Originally Posted by manimal
(Post 14289134)
Also keep in mind that buyer has to add 5% in fees on BaT, so it's ~$57k to the buyer.
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-Porsche...5ZVr0L&vxp=mtr
"It would be absolutely impossible to find a better example of this this highly collectible car anywhere on planet earth" Fine but how about on Jupiter or Mars? Huh, any better ones there? Sheesh, these kind of comments drive me nuts. Nice car, but not $75K nice. Not to me anyway, doesn't even have the hardback Sportseats, heck not even crests in the headrests. They do realize this is an '01 and not an '05 TTS right? The least desirable of the 996TT, not even an '02 with X50, but an '01...Nice car and I'd be stoked to have it but no way would i pay that price for it in today's market. |
Originally Posted by ScottKelly911
(Post 14300164)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-Porsche...5ZVr0L&vxp=mtr
"It would be absolutely impossible to find a better example of this this highly collectible car anywhere on planet earth" Fine but how about on Jupiter or Mars? Huh, any better ones there? Sheesh, these kind of comments drive me nuts. Nice car, but not $75K nice. Not to me anyway, doesn't even have the hardback Sportseats, heck not even crests in the headrests. They do realize this is an '01 and not an '05 TTS right? The least desirable of the 996TT, not even an '02 with X50, but an '01...Nice car and I'd be stoked to have it but no way would i pay that price for it in today's market. |
It's called a wishing price.
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Originally Posted by ScottKelly911
(Post 14300164)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-Porsche...5ZVr0L&vxp=mtr
"It would be absolutely impossible to find a better example of this this highly collectible car anywhere on planet earth" Fine but how about on Jupiter or Mars? Huh, any better ones there? Sheesh, these kind of comments drive me nuts. Nice car, but not $75K nice. Not to me anyway, doesn't even have the hardback Sportseats, heck not even crests in the headrests. They do realize this is an '01 and not an '05 TTS right? The least desirable of the 996TT, not even an '02 with X50, but an '01...Nice car and I'd be stoked to have it but no way would i pay that price for it in today's market. Furthermore, not a rare color or PTS color, no aerokit.. Basic interior, no sport seats. It's basically the clone of my TT with fewer miles. Great car at the right price, but that right price isn't anywhere close to his asking. It is a consignment car at the dealer, the sales-guy I know was joking that the seller wanted WAY to much for it, and that when we thought he wanted $62K! Now the low mile, perfect 996 GT2 that it was parked next too when I was there, that is a special car. Owned by one of the top mechanics at the shop and definitely drool worthy. As for the '01 'hate' above, umm no. I'd take a clean '01 in a second over a less nice '02. Factory X50? Who really cares, you can get WHATEVER power you want out of these cars at a really reasonable cost. '05 S with PCCB's? Do you really want 12 year old PCCB's? Hell, just the dealer inspection on them is several hundred dollars to tell you if you need to spend closer to $10K replacing them (when everyone goes back to steel anyway...) And the first gen pccb's had even more issues than the later ones. Not to mention a minimum of 12 years of tire changes hoping not one of them chipped a rotor when pulling the wheel. I'd take PCCB's on a 996TT I was considering, but I wouldn't spend a dime extra for them. |
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Originally Posted by pfbz
(Post 14300291)
I saw that car the other day at Stevinson's.... Nice 996TT, but who really cares if they have the most collectible example of an un-collectible car? And by uncollectable, I don't mean because it's an 01 or missing X50. I mean ANY Mezger Turbo that isn't a GT car.
Furthermore, not a rare color or PTS color, no aerokit.. Basic interior, no sport seats. It's basically the clone of my TT with fewer miles. Great car at the right price, but that right price isn't anywhere close to his asking. It is a consignment car at the dealer, the sales-guy I know was joking that the seller wanted WAY to much for it, and that when we thought he wanted $62K! Now the low mile, perfect 996 GT2 that it was parked next too when I was there, that is a special car. Owned by one of the top mechanics at the shop and definitely drool worthy. As for the '01 'hate' above, umm no. I'd take a clean '01 in a second over a less nice '02. Factory X50? Who really cares, you can get WHATEVER power you want out of these cars at a really reasonable cost. '05 S with PCCB's? Do you really want 12 year old PCCB's? Hell, just the dealer inspection on them is several hundred dollars to tell you if you need to spend closer to $10K replacing them (when everyone goes back to steel anyway...) And the first gen pccb's had even more issues than the later ones. Not to mention a minimum of 12 years of tire changes hoping not one of them chipped a rotor when pulling the wheel. I'd take PCCB's on a 996TT I was considering, but I wouldn't spend a dime extra for them. |
Yeah, but according to the ebay ad, it's got equipment from the factory like AWD and climate control.
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Originally Posted by mffarrell
(Post 14300187)
It's called a wishing price.
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I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I think it's kind of interesting that just a couple of years ago many of us were complaining/commmenting about how these cars were undervalued and now some are complaining/commenting about the prices being asked as too high.
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Originally Posted by Carlo_Carrera
(Post 14301403)
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I think it's kind of interesting that just a couple of years ago many of us were complaining/commmenting about how these cars were undervalued and now some are complaining/commenting about the prices being asked as too high.
Also, those are 2 completely different types of owners. That's not to say one type is better than the other, they are just different. I'm one of the latter types - much more cost-conscious and try to wrench on my own car when I can to save some $$ and enjoy doing it. I have a great indy mechanic and cannot envision taking my car to the local dealer for service. The bought-it-new owner probably has a completely different mindset than me. |
And since I'm up on my soapbox, and again also not trying to be a jerk, I would like to comment on this concept of "collectibility".
If a 914, which is basically a VW, and all G series 911s, which they made almost 100,000 of, are now considered collectible. How will a 996TT not be a "collectable" in the future? For Pete's sake they made a million first generation Mustangs and they are all collectibles to some degree. Will the 996TT be as collectable and have the value of the GT2s and GT3s? Of course not, but so what. It will still be a collectible. Even among 966TTs some will be higher value than others. With Turbo S and X50s in rare colors leading the way, but in the end all will be a collectible. If there are any English majors in the house please let me know if I have the collectable/collectible thing correct. |
^I would agree.
A lot of 996 Turbos were ridden hard and put away wet. I definitely see clean and original examples becoming more collectible. Especially manual coupes with X-50. There were a good amount of early 911's too at one time, but a lot didn't survive the unfortunate modding stages of the 80's and 90's. Leaving us with less good cars to chose from if we want something that hasn't been molested. I can see the same with the 996 Turbo, many were modded and thrashed. And if you're looking for an original example you have considerably less options today than you had a few years ago. If you want a nice one prices will only go up from here. My 0.02. |
Boy has the tune changed, I use to get my ass handed to me every time I said they would become collectable. I'm happy to see prices rising and the car starting to get the credit it deserves.
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Originally Posted by rmc1148
(Post 14301822)
Boy has the tune changed, I use to get my ass handed to me every time I said they would become collectable. I'm happy to see prices rising and the car starting to get the credit it deserves.
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With thousands of turbos built, I think it's wishful thinking to call them collectible. The exception being a few limited models. While values are rising for the lucky folks that have them (especially low mileage factory originals) I think it has to do due to the time factor. Of the million mustangs built most weren't anything special, exceptions k-codes, shelbys,etc. Having bought mine less then a year ago, am very happy it's appreciating, unlike most of my cars. Makes me smile even when not driving it.
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Originally Posted by Carlo_Carrera
(Post 14301500)
If there are any English majors in the house please let me know if I have the collectable/collectible thing correct.
http://grammarist.com/spelling/colle...s-collectable/ |
I am happy I sold as while a very nice car it wasn't 100% of what I wanted long term. As far as prices going up or down its not a concern for me financially= thankfully. I will buy another when the right car come up.
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Originally Posted by my04996tt
(Post 14301951)
With thousands of turbos built, I think it's wishful thinking to call them collectible. The exception being a few limited models. While values are rising for the lucky folks that have them (especially low mileage factory originals) I think it has to do due to the time factor. Of the million mustangs built most weren't anything special, exceptions k-codes, shelbys,etc. Having bought mine less then a year ago, am very happy it's appreciating, unlike most of my cars. Makes me smile even when not driving it.
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Originally Posted by rmc1148
(Post 14302097)
I am happy I sold as while a very nice car it wasn't 100% of what I wanted long term. As far as prices going up or down its not a concern for me financially= thankfully. I will buy another when the right car come up.
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Originally Posted by kcattorney
(Post 14301986)
I'm no English major, but apparently both spellings are correct, with the "i" spelling occurring twice as often as the "a" spelling, according to grammarist.com:
http://grammarist.com/spelling/colle...s-collectable/ |
Somethings are the same lol. I will get another when the right car is available. The two items I want are Aero,no sunroof and with lower miles , black interior and x50 are a little negotiable. Any color but red-white or yellow.
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Originally Posted by rmc1148
(Post 14302536)
Somethings are the same lol. I will get another when the right car is available. The two items I want are Aero,no sunroof and with lower miles , black interior and x50 are a little negotiable. Any color but red-white or yellow.
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Sure is the correct answer..
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Originally Posted by z06801
(Post 14283121)
I always thought the 997tt wheels were known as lobsters forks.
Originally Posted by Carlo_Carrera
(Post 14302317)
There were around 16,000 total 996TT made world wide. They built almost the same number of K-code first gen Mustangs. How will 996TT not be collectible when other cars made in much greater numbers by less prestigious manufacturers are now bonafide collectible? All 996TT will be collectible in twenty years.
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As is so often the case in these discussions, people are confusing collectible with desirable. They are two totally different markets with two totally different groups of buyers; yet I only see the term collectible used. Either category can see price fluctuations. You don't have to wait 20 years for a car to be desirable. And, as long as the number of people that desire an asset exceed those that are selling the asset at any given time, the price will increase. For some, desirability is driven by market press and hype. A few years ago, the hype for the 996TT wasn't there, now it is and it's drawing in new buyers and we're seeing the result in pricing. Doesn't mean it can't go the other direction in a year.
For me a highly optioned 50k-75k mile TT in PTS would be highly desirable because I could drive it. On the other hand, if I wanted to speculate on collectability, I would get a fully optioned 2k-5k mile TTS in an unusual PTS color then put it away; just driving enough to keep it maintained. At least for the TTS coupe in the US, we're talking about 185 produced, not the 16k total figure that gets tossed around. Eventually production numbers do impact collectability. However, discussing whether the 996TT will become collectible is like discussing stock prices in 20 years; who knows. Desirability is immediately obvious. |
Originally Posted by rmc1148
(Post 14302647)
Sure is the correct answer..
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I'm happy to see once again we agree Carlo. I have found a black low mile car with most of what I want but the interior is off and it has mods, price is great. Building another garage at my house so I can store another car or two here instead of 50 miles away= would like to wait until its finished.
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Originally Posted by rmc1148
(Post 14303378)
I'm happy to see once again we agree Carlo. I have found a black low mile car with most of what I want but the interior is off and it has mods, price is great. Building another garage at my house so I can store another car or two here instead of 50 miles away= would like to wait until its finished.
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Originally Posted by autobonrun
(Post 14303319)
As is so often the case in these discussions, people are confusing collectible with desirable.
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Where's the line between a car that's merely appreciating, and a "collectible" one, then? ;)
I do agree, though -- I think those semantics tend to derail value discussions. |
Originally Posted by manimal
(Post 14305120)
Where's the line between a car that's merely appreciating, and a "collectible" one, then? ;)
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Hey guys check this beauty out...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/962559-2001-porsche-996-twin-turbo-rare-rain-forest-green-metallic.html http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1499463043.jpg |
Really really glad that interior isn't grey...
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Green over tan. That is one sweet car.
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Originally Posted by manimal
(Post 14305120)
Where's the line between a car that's merely appreciating, and a "collectible" one, then? ;)
I do agree, though -- I think those semantics tend to derail value discussions. Although the current generation can ask the question about collectability, only future generations can answer it. We're trying to answer the question a little more than 10 years after production of the 996TT ended. IMO, the 996TT is an appreciating asset, appreciating because it is desirable now. Only collectors determine collectability. I think two key reasons driving future collectability are rarity and historical significance. It's the historical significant part that might limit 996TT collectability. I don't see the historical significance yet. Maybe future generations will. Take for example the Porsche 904, only about 100-125 made, but historically significant to the marque, and with a rich racing history. This car was $7500 when new in the mid 60's. Ten years later you could have picked up one for less than $20k. Today, they sell from $1M to $2M. if people in the mid 70's knew then what they know now, would they have been selling for $15k? I think the answer is no. So why would someone want a car in their collection. I think historical significance of the model, and of a particular car, play an important part. I think the marketing phrase "last of the air cooled" is an attempt by the market to tie historical significance to the 993. We'll know in another 20 years if that is successful and it is truly a collectible or an appreciating asset. I know that if I wanted a 904 for my collection (and I had a collection LOL), I'd take a 60k mile example that had participated in or won key races like Targa Florio and maybe even had a dent in the fender from brushing up against a Shelby cobra over a pristine 20k mile example. I think it's the historical significance that will limit the 996TT. That doesn't mean they won't go up, I think they will; I just don't think people will have it on their waiting list to add to their collection. I hope I'm wrong. But I'm not going to let my TTS sit hoping for big profits in 30 years. I'll drive mine. Again just my opinion. By the way, the Shelby Cobra 427, produced during the exact same time period as the 904, is also a $1M+ car for the same reasons. Carrera GTS 904 sale for example http://www.rmsothebys.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1071869 |
Originally Posted by autobonrun
(Post 14308350)
You have asked the ultimate question. What I offer is my opinion and nothing more.
Although the current generation can ask the question about collectability, only future generations can answer it. We're trying to answer the question a little more than 10 years after production ended. IMO, the 996TT is an appreciating asset, appreciating because it is desirable now. Only collectors determine collectability. I think two key reasons driving future collectability are rarity and historical significance. It's the historical significant part that might limit 996TT collectability. I don't see the historical significance yet. Maybe future generations will. Take for example the Porsche 904, only about 100-125 made, but historically significant to the marque, and with a rich racing history. This car was $7500 when new in the mid 60's. Ten years later you could have picked up one for less than $20k. Today, they sell from $1M to $2M. if people in the mid 70's knew then what they know now, would they have been selling for $15k? I think the answer is no. So why would someone want a car in their collection. I think historical significance of the model, and of a particular car, play an important part. I think the marketing phrase "last of the air cooled" is an attempt by the market to tie historical significance to the 993. We'll know in another 20 years if that is successful and it is truly a collectible or an appreciating asset. I know that if I wanted a 904 for my collection (and I had a collection LOL), I'd take a 60k mile example that had participated in or won key races like Targa Florio and maybe even had a dent in the fender from brushing up against a Shelby cobra over a pristine 20k mile example. I think it's the historical significance that will limit the 996TT. That doesn't mean they won't go up, I think they will; I just don't think people will have it on their waiting list to add to their collection. I hope I'm wrong. But I'm not going to let my TTS sit hoping for big profits in 30 years. I'll drive mine. Again just my opinion. By the way, the Shelby Cobra 427, produced during the exact same time period as the 904, is also a $1M+ car for the same reasons. Carrera GTS 904 sale for example http://www.rmsothebys.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1071869 - First water cooled turbo. - End of the Mezger era Too be honest, I think the significance to the Porsche brand of the 996TT was higher then the 904. What the 904 has over the 996TT is rarity. |
Originally Posted by napoleon1981
(Post 14308382)
While I agree with you, I think the 996TT has definitely some significance that can be pointed out.
- First water cooled turbo. - End of the Mezger era Too be honest, I think the significance to the Porsche brand of the 996TT was higher then the 904. What the 904 has over the 996TT is rarity. |
My showroom quality 2003 996TT for sale. I picked it up just several weeks ago to hold on to for possible investment/flip/trade purposes, but something has caught my eye and the wife says it goes before anything happens.
https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...m-quality.html |
Originally Posted by napoleon1981
(Post 14308382)
While I agree with you, I think the 996TT has definitely some significance that can be pointed out.
- First water cooled turbo. - End of the Mezger era Too be honest, I think the significance to the Porsche brand of the 996TT was higher then the 904. What the 904 has over the 996TT is rarity. |
Originally Posted by Carlo_Carrera
(Post 14308188)
Green over tan. That is one sweet car.
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Originally Posted by Road King
(Post 14310198)
but that green over black would be pretty awesome too!
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Originally Posted by Van1
(Post 14309895)
I think the 959 was the first water cooled turbo.
But one point I'll make is the Mezger engine continued past the 996 to the 997 but I get what you're saying I somewhat expected these 2 comments when I wrote it. The 944 turbo was also an earlier "water cooled turbo", but like the 959, I do not consider them of the 911 series. So let me rephrase it: First water cooled 911 series turbo. As for the 997.1 (not the .2) this is virtually the same engine as in the 996 turbo, so I consider them together. |
Originally Posted by Van1
(Post 14309895)
I think the 959 was the first water cooled turbo.
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This looks pretty nice, but not crazy about all of the mods.
https://ventura.craigslist.org/cto/6233736222.html |
Originally Posted by rick brooklyn
(Post 14352429)
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Originally Posted by Carlo_Carrera
(Post 14355540)
This auction is getting interesting. Hagerty has this car valued at $65k and it is already at $60k with 6 days to go. We might see a new benchmark set for pristine MY 2001 cars.
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