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03-24-2017, 04:48 PM
#166
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While ride quality is subjective, reducing unsprung mass objectively improves it.
03-24-2017, 06:18 PM
#168
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In my personal experience, shaving a few pounds per corner is noticeable.
Not sure how facetious you are being or not, but it's obviously possible: http://papers.sae.org/760360/
You can argue that certain drivers or passengers might not notice, but there's no argument that less unsprung weight isn't better.
Not sure how facetious you are being or not, but it's obviously possible: http://papers.sae.org/760360/
You can argue that certain drivers or passengers might not notice, but there's no argument that less unsprung weight isn't better.
03-24-2017, 06:26 PM
#169
Originally Posted by manimal
In my personal experience, shaving a few pounds per corner is noticeable.
Not sure how facetious you are being or not, but it's obviously possible: http://papers.sae.org/760360/
You can argue that certain drivers or passengers might not notice, but there's no argument that less unsprung weight isn't better.
Not sure how facetious you are being or not, but it's obviously possible: http://papers.sae.org/760360/
You can argue that certain drivers or passengers might not notice, but there's no argument that less unsprung weight isn't better.
03-24-2017, 06:48 PM
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Not sure how facetious you are being or not, but it's obviously possible: http://papers.sae.org/760360/
Do auto magazines use this in their road test reviews/test rankings, or do they use subjective assessments?
Better in terms of ride quality? So a 0.5 lb reduction (that represents "less unsprung weight") improves subjective ride quality?
03-24-2017, 06:56 PM
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Noticeable in terms of ride quality?
So how much unsprung weight reduction do you think it takes before the test equipment can measure the difference in ride quality, and if the test equipment actually shows a difference, does that mean someone in the vehicle will also be able to subjectively feel it?
Do auto magazines use this in their road test reviews/test rankings, or do they use subjective assessments?
Better in terms of ride quality? So a 0.5 lb reduction (that represents "less unsprung weight") improves subjective ride quality?
So how much unsprung weight reduction do you think it takes before the test equipment can measure the difference in ride quality, and if the test equipment actually shows a difference, does that mean someone in the vehicle will also be able to subjectively feel it?
Do auto magazines use this in their road test reviews/test rankings, or do they use subjective assessments?
Better in terms of ride quality? So a 0.5 lb reduction (that represents "less unsprung weight") improves subjective ride quality?
03-26-2017, 06:36 PM
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03-26-2017, 07:04 PM
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shneapfla -
I know what the approximate average weight reduction per wheel PCCB's provide.
I'm not really motivated much to get back into this, but the the discussion at the time I posted my "0.5 lb" reply was made regarding how much unsprung weight reduction was needed before an average driver could subjectively notice a difference in ride quality. manimal stated: "...no argument that less unsprung weight isn't better". In my reply to him, my example of a 0.5 lb weight reduction qualifies as "less". The point I'm making is that there is a minimum value above noise level that is required before unsprung weight reduction can be subjectively assessed as an improvement in ride quality.
I know what the approximate average weight reduction per wheel PCCB's provide.
I'm not really motivated much to get back into this, but the the discussion at the time I posted my "0.5 lb" reply was made regarding how much unsprung weight reduction was needed before an average driver could subjectively notice a difference in ride quality. manimal stated: "...no argument that less unsprung weight isn't better". In my reply to him, my example of a 0.5 lb weight reduction qualifies as "less". The point I'm making is that there is a minimum value above noise level that is required before unsprung weight reduction can be subjectively assessed as an improvement in ride quality.
03-26-2017, 07:48 PM
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03-27-2017, 11:08 PM
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I believe the consensus was that PCCB's are like Speed Yellow -- they increase the price while also scaring away buyers. 