Dock

In terms of acceleration, what I enjoy is high longitudinal g, and my Turbo delivers the goods by this measure better than the 991S. Here's why...

On the 0-60 measurement, you obviously start the clock at the first movement of the car. The 991S with launch control and PDK comes out of the hole quickly and with more initial longitudinal g than the Turbo, but the 991S never reaches the peak g the Turbo does during the run. For example, if both my Turbo and the 991S do 0-60 in say 3.5 seconds (just using a number here for explanation purposes), and the 991S accelerates better out of the hole for the first 0.75 sec (in this example, the length of time I'm using for the Turbo to start moving using a manual clutch, and then build boost and actually get going), then the Turbo has to make up for the initial lost ground if it is going to also reach 0-60 in the same 3.5 sec the 991S does, and this "making up ground process" is accomplished by way harder (SOTP feel...longitudinal g) acceleration; it's the Turbo's eyeball crushing acceleration that the 991S can't match (it doesn't have enough torque). So the test data will show both cars equally fast 0-60, but with the Turbo having much stronger/harder acceleration in "peak" terms. Since I'm not out there racing anyone, I don't care what the stopwatch says between the 991S and the Turbo (both showing 3.5 sec), I care about which produces the most fun when accelerating...and the Turbo is the winner.

SSST

It can, but depends heavily of the clutch/shifting skills of the driver if the 996 is up against the PDK.

Kevinmacd

tvurt - I already checked and it came in at 117 to 120.

Kevinmacd

yeah and rhat same reference has a 2005 Carrera 4s hitting it in 4 sec!

thetank

SimonK . . . this is why I love the 996t platform, when you feel you are falling behind, just up the ante, invest (relatively modestly) in a more aggressive tune, better suspension and 996t will be good for another 10 years! Once another 10 years period flashes by, just repeat the exercise again! :-).

Truth. I put a cheap set of JIC's and a bunch of bolt ons. Only went 3.6 0-60, but killed in 60-130 with a 5.9. I don't have $100k in my car and there are precious few cars on the planet that can run with it, much less beat it - at any price!

Next up: KW V3's and a race gas tune. Gonna be a lot of hurt feelings from a stock motor/bodied 12 yr old car!

SimonK

991 turbo should worry coming across your car...

996tnz

Porsche is conservative and Road and Track are good at getting the most out of a car so can believe those times.

Haven't got mine to a dragstrip and only done 3 instrumented launches with it but on public coarse chip seal wearing 300 tread wear Sumitomos, my UMW stage 1 996T Tip (tune, exhaust, ICs) has done 0-60 in 3.83, and the quarter in 12.0. On the same kind of coarse chip surface, NZ Autocar (the nearest local equivalent to Road and Track) couldn't get the original Gallardo E-gear to go under 5 seconds. With the coarse chip we have here, mine spins off the line and spins up its wheels on the 1-2 and 2-3 changes too so you could probably take a tenth or two off that to get a dragstrip time. By way of comparison the original Murcielago - on Road and Track's proper surface - achieved 3.6 and 12.0.

ROW suspension 996Ts don't handle too bad either. There's nothing like having a seasoned 997 GT3 driver saying " That's not supposed to happen" after you catch them up on track in the sprints, though the GT3s hold up better than the heavier Turbos the more laps that are run.

There is life in the 996T yet, even with a Stage 1 tune. Against 991 Turbos, game over, but you do get to keep a lot of change in your pocket!

Tuxiemama

I'll take a dry sump car any day over that new DFI set up thanks

SimonK

@996tnz.

I have stage 2 996ts.

Came across 991ts the other day.

Was surprised. Not game over at all.

Sure he pulled away but not hugely by any margin. We nailed it on the motorway from 80mph onwards not night and day at all. By the time he had pulled a gap of 100 yards on me at 170mph and we've both hit traffic ahead I was on his ar#se again within 3 seconds. Sure out of a hole with the PDK it would probably zoom ahead more dramatically but than again for 100k difference I will keep my 996t thank you very much. ;-). Ps. I wonder when will I came across another one in order to be beaten slightly? Probably in 4 years time. :-).

996tnz

Thanks for sharing that, and I guess we should be careful about under estimating our cars.You are lucky that price gap is so small. You're in the States I presume? The difference here in New Zealand is over USD $250,000, with even the base 991 Turbo listing at USD $334,000 versus used 996Ts going for around the USD $50,000 mark!

Personally, I hope to never again buy a car without a proper handbrake/e-brake lever since my old 750IL. Wouldn't say no to a drive in a 991TS sometime though since they still got a lot of other things right.

PUN996TT

I raced a 991 50th anniversary (911-50), which I believe has the same engine as the 991 Carrera S, on the highway a few weeks ago. Mine is '02 996TT X50, tiptronic, catless exhaust, and a few minor mods (waiting for a flash). He had a passenger, I didn't. Pretty much equal throughout the 20-minute spirited driving session on the road (we went on the same 2-day trip), although back then I had boost leaks that I hadn't fixed. We didn't go over 130 mph (traffic), so, I can't say which would be quicker, in a straight line, above that speed. Still, it is one impressively quick car, that 911-50. But of course, with a stage-1 ecu flash for the X50, I think the 991 Carrera S would be left behind.