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Old 03-18-2019, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 2fcknfst
Not exactly - the previous owner was contacted by MCL (Porsche Vancouver) after the car was out of warranty advising that this coolant line MAY be an issue.
If there had been a coolant leak under warranty Porsche would have fixed the leak. If there is a coolant leak after the warranty has expired, Porsche isn't obligated to fix it for free.

My approach to the coolant pipes is when the engine needs to be removed for other work, or a coolant pipe leaks and the engine has to be removed to fix it, I'll likely pin the lines at that time. If the engine doesn't have to be pulled before I assume room temperature, the coolant lines won't be pinned on my watch.
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Originally Posted by wross996tt
Not sure how $3K is cheap insurance. Pinned lines don't prevent them from leaking, but whatever turns your crank.
It will prevent them from popping out and the most inopportune time. $3k was the labor to re and re the motor and gearbox; at the same time, added new injectors, a new water pump, voltage regulator, oil, filter etc., so $3k for all that work is a relative bargain compared to being stranded on the side of the road completely buggered.

I may have mentioned this before, but if not, I am deathly afraid of airplanes, and as such, avoid flying at all but the most critical of cases. There isn't anywhere I cannot drive to in western Canada, or the western States that I cannot not get to in 48 hours or less, so I turn a lot of miles on the road, approximately 1.2 million over the last 21 years. Over that time, I have suffered some fairly incredible failures ranging from lost engines to transmissions, to water pumps, electronics, etc etc.

My point is that I intend to drive the turbo to Calgary and down to see my in laws in the interior during the three weeks of summer we get. An average rip will be 2400 - 2600kms, of sustained, 'spirited' driving through the mountains. As I was aware of this coolant line failure potential, what kind of idiot would I be to not try and mitigate that failure up front?

As I said, cheap insurance.
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Originally Posted by Dock
If there had been a coolant leak under warranty Porsche would have fixed the leak. If there is a coolant leak after the warranty has expired, Porsche isn't obligated to fix it for free.

My approach to the coolant pipes is when the engine needs to be removed for other work, or a coolant pipe leaks and the engine has to be removed to fix it, I'll likely pin the lines at that time. If the engine doesn't have to be pulled before I assume room temperature, the coolant lines won't be pinned on my watch.
Exactly - needed the clutch, so do everything.

Hopefully, room temperature remains toasty.
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Some years ago I was discussing the build differences between the 996 Turbo and the Z06 Vette with people on another car forum and pointed out this difference in door hinge design/quality as just one example of the differences.

996 Turbo door hinge:


Z06 door hinge looks like it was supplied by Home Depot:
Whats your point? The corvette doesn’t have glued in coolant pipes. I guess a good door hinge is needed to get out of the car when they blow out, I know I’ve used it. I’d rather have better engineering in the important parts.
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Originally Posted by cdk4219
Whats your point?
The Vette has cheap build quality.
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I think the engineering somewhat speaks for itself in the two pics; a lot more love has gone into the Porsche design than the Corvette.

As far as the coolant lines are concerned, even engineers are known to screw up the works, from time to time...
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Originally Posted by 2fcknfst
I think the engineering somewhat speaks for itself in the two pics; a lot more love has gone into the Porsche design than the Corvette.

As far as the coolant lines are concerned, even engineers are known to screw up the works, from time to time...
Well I guess the corvette engineers put much more love into their coolant pipes, they aren’t glued in.
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Originally Posted by cdk4219
Well I guess the corvette engineers put much more love into their coolant pipes, they aren’t glued in.
Buy a Corvette (if you don't already have one).


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Originally Posted by 2fcknfst
As far as the coolant lines are concerned, even engineers are known to screw up the works, from time to time...
It wasn't the Porsche engineers in this case. The NHTSA had this as part of their findings (my bold):

"Porsche identified a manufacturing quality issue with the supplier's application of adhesive to coolant pipe fittings that resulted in elevated failure rates in approximately 6,800 early production 997 generation vehicles (MY 2007 and early MY 2008). ODI's analysis of field data showed that the age-adjusted failure rate for these vehicles was approximately six times greater than MY 2001 through 2005 996 generation vehicles and MY 2008 through 2011 997 generation vehicles built after a process improvement for adhesive application was implemented by the supplier."

https://www.autoblog.com/2014/03/13/.../#slide-323571
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Originally Posted by Dock
Buy a Corvette (if you don't already have one).
I had a zo6. What's your point in comparing the two? they are as different as they are similar, both good cars in their own right. 996 build quality isn't the best.
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Originally Posted by s65e90
What's your point in comparing the two?
See post #55 here in this thread.
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Originally Posted by Dock
See post #55 here in this thread.
I saw. Seems pointless comparing door hinges; hence post # 70.
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Originally Posted by s65e90
I saw. Seems pointless comparing door hinges; hence post # 70.
If you saw then why did you ask?

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Originally Posted by Dock
It wasn't the Porsche engineers in this case. The NHTSA had this as part of their findings (my bold):

"Porsche identified a manufacturing quality issue with the supplier's application of adhesive to coolant pipe fittings that resulted in elevated failure rates in approximately 6,800 early production 997 generation vehicles (MY 2007 and early MY 2008). ODI's analysis of field data showed that the age-adjusted failure rate for these vehicles was approximately six times greater than MY 2001 through 2005 996 generation vehicles and MY 2008 through 2011 997 generation vehicles built after a process improvement for adhesive application was implemented by the supplier."

https://www.autoblog.com/2014/03/13/.../#slide-323571
Interesting how the passage of time puts it squarely on the 997 guys... I suppose in this case, hindsight was 20/20...
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Originally Posted by Dock
It wasn't the Porsche engineers in this case. The NHTSA had this as part of their findings (my bold):

"Porsche identified a manufacturing quality issue with the supplier's application of adhesive to coolant pipe fittings that resulted in elevated failure rates in approximately 6,800 early production 997 generation vehicles (MY 2007 and early MY 2008). ODI's analysis of field data showed that the age-adjusted failure rate for these vehicles was approximately six times greater than MY 2001 through 2005 996 generation vehicles and MY 2008 through 2011 997 generation vehicles built after a process improvement for adhesive application was implemented by the supplier."

https://www.autoblog.com/2014/03/13/.../#slide-323571
Genius, if the engineers had designed a press fit than no glue would ls have been needed. Engineering fault.


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