Input on 996 turbo vs my 997.2 C2
11-02-2018, 09:46 PM
#16
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11-02-2018, 11:16 PM
#18
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I strongly considered a 997.2 when I was between Porsches after selling my 01 996TT, driving a lot of them and trying to talk myself into it. It was a great car and I’m sure I would have enjoyed it, but I decided to wait and ended up with an 04 996TT cab instead. Best decision I could have made, because I think the 996 is a much better fit for me overall. I love this car and I seem to have a special connection to it that I don’t think I would have had with the 997.
First world problems! You’ll be happy either way but I’d vote for the 996TT. If I move on from this one (unlikely) I’d skip the 997 and go to the 991.
By the way - I daily a Cayenne GTS. I’m sure many people daily their Turbos but I prefer to keep it as a special treat. Plus, I love my Cayenne too, and it is the best daily driver I’ve ever owned.
First world problems! You’ll be happy either way but I’d vote for the 996TT. If I move on from this one (unlikely) I’d skip the 997 and go to the 991.
By the way - I daily a Cayenne GTS. I’m sure many people daily their Turbos but I prefer to keep it as a special treat. Plus, I love my Cayenne too, and it is the best daily driver I’ve ever owned.
11-02-2018, 11:27 PM
#19
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I went from a 997.2TT manual to a 996TT manual. For me, a big part of that change was the value differentials and pocketing some cash. But I am finding that there’s a lot about the 996 that I like better, including the following to name a few:
- I prefer the looks, especially the less busy front end and no fog lights.
- The 996 suspension/chassis is the culmination of Porsche chassis tuning before going to pasm, dynamic engine mounts, PTV, etc. I’ve come to appreciate and prefer the feel of the pinnacle of this tuning over the early stage electronic additions, as good as they are. My 997 also had a track alignment, rear diff, and dsc module, and that still doesn’t change my astonishment of how good the 996 is.
- A little lighter weight is always a plus
- Having less power makes me have to work the car more, which is fun. And it still has ridiculous power in stock form. And mine is not an X50. I’ve also owned a 991.1 TTS and a 991.1 GTS. The 996TT is a f’cking incredible bargain, even at the current uptick in prices. This cannot be emphasized enough. If you can find a nice example in the 50s/60s, it’s like stealing in the Porsche world.
11-02-2018, 11:32 PM
#20
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I strongly considered a 997.2 when I was between Porsches after selling my 01 996TT, driving a lot of them and trying to talk myself into it. It was a great car and I’m sure I would have enjoyed it, but I decided to wait and ended up with an 04 996TT cab instead. Best decision I could have made, because I think the 996 is a much better fit for me overall. I love this car and I seem to have a special connection to it that I don’t think I would have had with the 997.
First world problems! You’ll be happy either way but I’d vote for the 996TT. If I move on from this one (unlikely) I’d skip the 997 and go to the 991.
By the way - I daily a Cayenne GTS. I’m sure many people daily their Turbos but I prefer to keep it as a special treat. Plus, I love my Cayenne too, and it is the best daily driver I’ve ever owned.
First world problems! You’ll be happy either way but I’d vote for the 996TT. If I move on from this one (unlikely) I’d skip the 997 and go to the 991.
By the way - I daily a Cayenne GTS. I’m sure many people daily their Turbos but I prefer to keep it as a special treat. Plus, I love my Cayenne too, and it is the best daily driver I’ve ever owned.
I also thought about buying the 996 TT and getting a cheap car for commuting and carting kids around. Life is too short to wait another 15 years when they are both out of the house *hopefully*. I’m impatient.
11-02-2018, 11:42 PM
#22
Intermediate
Thread Starter
Maybe some observations from this thread will help: https://rennlist.com/forums/996-turb...omparison.html
In the end, the only smart thing to do is to drive a 996TT yourself.
In the end, the only smart thing to do is to drive a 996TT yourself.
11-02-2018, 11:50 PM
#23
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11-03-2018, 01:07 PM
#24
Thoughts in no particular order:
• 996tt and 2014 Cayenne S sitting in my garage. Great combo.
• Having hopped back and forth between 997's and 996's lately, I must say that there's a difference in styling and refinement, but they are 80-90% subjectively the same machine.
• I also previously had a 996C2.
• With K24's and tune, this car is REALLY fast. Like 2x the C2. And cars that are 2x my car are (almost) common.
• Steering on any C4 chassis is not as good. It lacks the sublime feedback of the C2 front end that at once feels planted and nimble. In contrast, the front of my turbo feels numb. Many have converted to 2wd (hopefully with some kind of LSD) and switched to C2 front suspension to get the best of all worlds. This is on my to-do list.
* If it matters, the car gets a fair amount of attention whenever enthusiasts (Porsche or otherwise) get together. Far more than my other Porsches did. Whether it's the Mezger club, the height of analog (hydraulic steering, manual trans, etc) or the fact that it's a performance platform that can hang with modern supercars, the 996tt has earned a place of respect among those in-the-know.
• I may buy other Porsches, but I won't sell this one.
• 996tt and 2014 Cayenne S sitting in my garage. Great combo.
• Having hopped back and forth between 997's and 996's lately, I must say that there's a difference in styling and refinement, but they are 80-90% subjectively the same machine.
• I also previously had a 996C2.
• With K24's and tune, this car is REALLY fast. Like 2x the C2. And cars that are 2x my car are (almost) common.
• Steering on any C4 chassis is not as good. It lacks the sublime feedback of the C2 front end that at once feels planted and nimble. In contrast, the front of my turbo feels numb. Many have converted to 2wd (hopefully with some kind of LSD) and switched to C2 front suspension to get the best of all worlds. This is on my to-do list.
* If it matters, the car gets a fair amount of attention whenever enthusiasts (Porsche or otherwise) get together. Far more than my other Porsches did. Whether it's the Mezger club, the height of analog (hydraulic steering, manual trans, etc) or the fact that it's a performance platform that can hang with modern supercars, the 996tt has earned a place of respect among those in-the-know.
• I may buy other Porsches, but I won't sell this one.
11-03-2018, 05:09 PM
#25
• Steering on any C4 chassis is not as good. It lacks the sublime feedback of the C2 front end that at once feels planted and nimble. In contrast, the front of my turbo feels numb. Many have converted to 2wd (hopefully with some kind of LSD) and switched to C2 front suspension to get the best of all worlds. This is on my to-do list.
11-03-2018, 06:44 PM
#26
I had a 99 C2 as a daily and sold it @ 145k miles. Enjoyed it as a daily with modern hvac and still analog qualities. Switched to Cayennes (S and GTS) before deciding to go back to a 911. I decided on a 996TT after driving several 6TTs, a 7TT, a 991 base, 997.1 and a 997.2. Intended use has always been as a street daily.
The 996TT are incredible values as the best all-around daily driver yet still had relevant performance and simpler/more analog driving characteristics. The motorsports-proven, GT1-derived Mezger engine has been bulletproof and was also a big draw for me as a race car enthusiast/amateur racer. 996TT is a sweet spot Porsche IMHO.
The 996TT are incredible values as the best all-around daily driver yet still had relevant performance and simpler/more analog driving characteristics. The motorsports-proven, GT1-derived Mezger engine has been bulletproof and was also a big draw for me as a race car enthusiast/amateur racer. 996TT is a sweet spot Porsche IMHO.
11-03-2018, 09:31 PM
#27
Intermediate
Thread Starter
I had a 99 C2 as a daily and sold it @ 145k miles. Enjoyed it as a daily with modern hvac and still analog qualities. Switched to Cayennes (S and GTS) before deciding to go back to a 911. I decided on a 996TT after driving several 6TTs, a 7TT, a 991 base, 997.1 and a 997.2. Intended use has always been as a street daily.
The 996TT are incredible values as the best all-around daily driver yet still had relevant performance and simpler/more analog driving characteristics. The motorsports-proven, GT1-derived Mezger engine has been bulletproof and was also a big draw for me as a race car enthusiast/amateur racer. 996TT is a sweet spot Porsche IMHO.
The 996TT are incredible values as the best all-around daily driver yet still had relevant performance and simpler/more analog driving characteristics. The motorsports-proven, GT1-derived Mezger engine has been bulletproof and was also a big draw for me as a race car enthusiast/amateur racer. 996TT is a sweet spot Porsche IMHO.
11-04-2018, 02:32 PM
#29
Rennlist Member
I am starting to feel the pull of possibly trading my 997.2 C2 for a 996 turbo...
My ideal 996 Turbo would be one with relatively low miles, a long option list, and a color other than grey, silver or black....
My advice is to buy a coupe six-speed that is 1) mostly stock, 2) cosmetically outstanding, 3) extremely well sorted mechanically and 4) in a color combo you like. Without much concern of year or options,.. Then add a tune and whatever cosmetic and suspension tweaks you really want.
I am wondering if a 996 turbo would be ok as a daily driver for a year or two if I were to trade the Cayenne or sell it outright.
My biggest issue is that my daily driver needs a bit more comfort and space, and the 911 is the car I take on weekends or work days when I don't have to be in six different places. If your "daily drive" is just a commute to/from work and not in freeway bumper-to-bumper, no reason why it wouldn't make a great daily driver.
11-05-2018, 05:26 PM
#30
Three Wheelin'
