Dock

Then don't read my quotes in people's posts.

PM me and tell me what is "dumba$$" about my comments here. Take it off the public forum and discuss your opinions with me via PM.

s65e90

It's not that difficult. Many cars are analyzed for collision dynamics.

Carlo_Carrera

I prefer to think of it as poisoning the troll.

Dock

Please be more specific.

RngTrtl

Please increase dosage! Ill unblock him and reblock him from time to time in threads like this to see if he is still the same, and lo and behold nothing has changed. Dude is committed to his troll craft thats for sure! It would be funny to write a little script to auto reply random stuff to his comments, but im sure the board has some sort of rule against it. C'est la vie i guess.

Dock

RngTrtl - No PM yet (didn't think you would).

s65e90

Every manufacturer extensively tests their cars crash worthiness and the collision damage and how different impacts affect diff areas of the car and most importantly the interior cabin. People also do this after accidents in many different fields.

pfbz

OK, this ship of a thread has taken a hard turn to starboard and crashed right into the docks...

Let's see if we can get it back on a true course? Has anyone installed their part yet? Anyone get it cleaned up yet? How about just a picture of the dirty parts ordered. ANYTHING really.

RDS928S

My rear sub frame cross member is at shop now for de-greasing etc. Will post pics soon & after install.
At the same time i will have installed .9 lb EB Werks rear wing adjustable mounts for additional weight savings in the rear.
Porsche Wing 12-way adjustable Mounts 996 Turbo

• Eliminates heavy hydraulic system, this system weights .9lb.
• Much less expensive then the OEM hydraulic system.
• Secure way of holding your wing at very high speeds.
• OEM look.
• Easy installation.
• 12 way adjustable to your liking.
• Extends up to 35mm higher then stock for adjustments needed at the track
• Instructions provided.
• Instructions provided to disable error for wing failure.
• Spanner wrench to remove oem hydraulics from wing, now included.

Dock

Of course they do. They are required to. But my discussion with Carlo involves real world crashes, and in those cases it is critical to have data from the crash before making judgements regarding the structural performance of a single part.

RngTrtl

good idea. It rained all weekend on me last weekend so with some luck I will get it installed this weekend and report back. I was thinking about super cleaning it, but I am going to B-12 the crap out of it and call it day. Due to its location it will dirty quickly me thinks anyway.

hacker-pschorr

In Europe car manufacturers have teams on call who travel to the scene of accidents. I've read my reports on these teams and amazingly they often show up before first responders and law enforcement.

It's also not uncommon in Europe for auto manufactures to collect wreckage once the insurance companies are done with them to further study the effects of the incident on their vehicles.

IIRC Volvo was first to start such a team:
https://www.media.volvocars.com/glob...sreleases/5303
"Every time a serious accident involving a Volvo occurs within a 100-km radius of Göteborg, the Traffic Accident Research Team is alerted via the official emergency switchboard – day or night."

On that note, are you done de-railing this thread with semantics and anecdotal banter? That really wasn't a question, it's a suggestion. Please allow those actually interested in these modifications discuss doing so without the unnecessary side banter and comments.
OK?

s65e90

I said they do after as well. Prior gives them all the info they need before releasing to the public and gaining approval for road use. During certain crashes after on the road for a while, yes some are still analyzed for the collision theory. (I do this kind of work).

s65e90

Remember Dock, you're also stating something referring to accident reconstruction which applies more to determining negligence, crimes, etc. and less on the vehicle itself. Certain people still study collision theory, metallurgy, and why things do what they do in a crash.

Dock

I am fully aware of all of that. But to make a determination whether or not a specific piece of the car has been over engineered (as in the case with the steel cross member talked about here in this thread), the dynamics of the crash must be understood. Seeing a specific piece of the car, whether in pristine condition or in damaged condition, does not speak to the engineering of that piece without supporting data. Did the cross member fail and if so did it fail because the design limits of the piece were exceeded? Or did it fail and the design limits were not exceeded. Those are two very different outcomes, and neither are really nailed down without the dynamics of the actual crash, as well as the availability of the other parts.

So when someone states that Porsche gets (all?) damaged cross members in the process of the car being repaired and engineering is done that leads Porsche to conclude that the piece was over engineered, it is ignoring the fact that other data is needed before being able to draw an engineering conclusion. This is why I asked if Porsche not only gets the damaged cross members, but also the supporting crash data dynamics. PAG may well get all of this data. I don't know if they do. That's why I asked.