New 991 C4 vs 996 Turbo
12-28-2017, 02:10 PM
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New 991 C4 vs 996 Turbo
So today I was given a new 991 C4 (aka turbo) as a replacement car whilst they sort out a PSM fault on my Boxster GTS. Just to note whilst its very efficient its very clinical and apart from the DAB radio I hated it as it has no soul and large like an Audi. All these factors will only help the values of the 996 TT over the due course of time
12-28-2017, 02:16 PM
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New cars suck. 996 is last of the analog.
12-28-2017, 02:51 PM
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12-28-2017, 03:40 PM
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i cant hate on the 991.2 c2s ( like it a LOT in fact ) and have no need for the awd 4s ( partially why i took disabled mine ) but i agree about the "analog" vs "digital" argument.
my 996 turbo is fairly "raw", while still being ok for the street. 991's are downright "plush" by comparison.. and i STILL miss my ol 993. LOVED that 911.
my 996 turbo is fairly "raw", while still being ok for the street. 991's are downright "plush" by comparison.. and i STILL miss my ol 993. LOVED that 911.
12-28-2017, 03:41 PM
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While we will always have nuanced cohorts who are intractable in their philosophies ("if it doesn't have carbs, it's not analog" for example), the vast majority of enthusiasts recalibrate their expectations based on new context. That is exactly what drove @Richard. to start this thread. While the introduction of the 996 made the 993 look like a simple, traditional 911 compared to a the technological marvel that was the 996, the introduction of the 991.2 all of a sudden made the 996 a heck of lot more similar to a 993 than a 991. And that is the catalyst of a paradigm shift from "meh" to "man, I'd love a 996TT - why didn't I buy one when they were $40K?" a-la 964 market.
During the time between 993 and 991, the 996 became little more than a used car. But as context changes and paradigms shift, all signs point toward a meaningful shift in demand for great cars devoid of the modern tech-immersive experience. That's not to say cars devoid of technology in engineering, but more technology and digital intervention in driving and ergonomic experiences (like having to scroll through screens on a touch-screen to adjust gauge brightness). In my opinion, the modern cars that deliver on that are 996 C4S, Turbo, GT3 997 GT3, GT3RS 550 Maranello, Manual 360, Challenge Stradale CLK Black Series SLR, Ford GT, Carrera GT etc.
-Joe
12-29-2017, 07:41 AM
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...the vast majority of enthusiasts recalibrate their expectations based on new context. That is exactly what drove @Richard. to start this thread. While the introduction of the 996 made the 993 look like a simple, traditional 911 compared to a the technological marvel that was the 996, the introduction of the 991.2 all of a sudden made the 996 a heck of lot more similar to a 993 than a 991. And that is the catalyst of a paradigm shift from "meh" to "man, I'd love a 996TT - why didn't I buy one when they were $40K?" a-la 964 market...
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12-29-2017, 09:26 AM
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having a hard time likely the 991 range, only one that I really do like is the GT2RS, full beast mode 
996Turbo's are great cars, but honestly a bit bland stock, they need a few simple mods to harden them up as sports cars...IMHO, a base 6Carrera is a lot of/more fun to drive stock, and of course the 6GT's are the focussed models
also IMHO, 996 really aren't much more 'tech-y' vs a 993, just constructed in a modern/more technical way (read better)... what interface features does 996 has vs 993? PSM, available Nav, available PDC, about it...
996 are a simple car that was freshly and intelligently packaged, and performed. Love them.
996Turbo's are great cars, but honestly a bit bland stock, they need a few simple mods to harden them up as sports cars...IMHO, a base 6Carrera is a lot of/more fun to drive stock, and of course the 6GT's are the focussed models
also IMHO, 996 really aren't much more 'tech-y' vs a 993, just constructed in a modern/more technical way (read better)... what interface features does 996 has vs 993? PSM, available Nav, available PDC, about it...
996 are a simple car that was freshly and intelligently packaged, and performed. Love them.
12-29-2017, 11:09 AM
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I am a bit contrarian.
I recently drove a 991.2 Carrera S fitted with the X51 powerkit and I was very impressed. With the turn of a dial it goes from a poised and civilzed road car to complete animal similar to the GT2s of old. I will be buying a 991.2 Carrera S X51 in the near future.
I recently drove a 991.2 Carrera S fitted with the X51 powerkit and I was very impressed. With the turn of a dial it goes from a poised and civilzed road car to complete animal similar to the GT2s of old. I will be buying a 991.2 Carrera S X51 in the near future.
12-29-2017, 11:54 AM
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While the introduction of the 996 made the 993 look like a simple, traditional 911 compared to a the technological marvel that was the 996, the introduction of the 991.2 all of a sudden made the 996 a heck of lot more similar to a 993 than a 991. And that is the catalyst of a paradigm shift from "meh" to "man, I'd love a 996TT - why didn't I buy one when they were $40K?" a-la 964 market.
12-29-2017, 07:46 PM
#11
i agree with carlos, for ME, that 991.2 s is the best "switchable" alterable Pcar ever made, and it really suits a LOT of needs. it IS however, a $135k+ car! so, i'd want those "***** and buttons" to work magic as well.
12-29-2017, 11:42 PM
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I think that's a bit of a binary statement about a thought that's true-until-it's-not, so to speak. The reality is this: technology is the leading driver of changing context; that is evidenced by what was once considered "modern" and without charm, but is now considered analog in comparison to modern alternatives in the changed context.
While we will always have nuanced cohorts who are intractable in their philosophies ("if it doesn't
have carbs, it's not analog" for example), the vast majority of enthusiasts recalibrate their expectations based on new context. That is exactly what drove @Richard. to start this thread. While the introduction of the 996 made the 993 look like a simple, traditional 911 compared to a the technological marvel that was the 996, the introduction of the 991.2 all of a sudden made the 996 a heck of lot more similar to a 993 than a 991. And that is the catalyst of a paradigm shift from "meh" to "man, I'd love a 996TT - why didn't I buy one when they were $40K?" a-la 964 market.
During the time between 993 and 991, the 996 became little more than a used car. But as context changes and paradigms shift, all signs point toward a meaningful shift in demand for great cars devoid of the modern tech-immersive experience. That's not to say cars devoid of technology in engineering, but more technology and digital intervention in driving and ergonomic experiences (like having to scroll through screens on a touch-screen to adjust gauge brightness). In my opinion, the modern cars that deliver on that are 996 C4S, Turbo, GT3 997 GT3, GT3RS 550 Maranello, Manual 360, Challenge Stradale CLK Black Series SLR, Ford GT, Carrera GT etc.
-Joe
While we will always have nuanced cohorts who are intractable in their philosophies ("if it doesn't
have carbs, it's not analog" for example), the vast majority of enthusiasts recalibrate their expectations based on new context. That is exactly what drove @Richard. to start this thread. While the introduction of the 996 made the 993 look like a simple, traditional 911 compared to a the technological marvel that was the 996, the introduction of the 991.2 all of a sudden made the 996 a heck of lot more similar to a 993 than a 991. And that is the catalyst of a paradigm shift from "meh" to "man, I'd love a 996TT - why didn't I buy one when they were $40K?" a-la 964 market.
During the time between 993 and 991, the 996 became little more than a used car. But as context changes and paradigms shift, all signs point toward a meaningful shift in demand for great cars devoid of the modern tech-immersive experience. That's not to say cars devoid of technology in engineering, but more technology and digital intervention in driving and ergonomic experiences (like having to scroll through screens on a touch-screen to adjust gauge brightness). In my opinion, the modern cars that deliver on that are 996 C4S, Turbo, GT3 997 GT3, GT3RS 550 Maranello, Manual 360, Challenge Stradale CLK Black Series SLR, Ford GT, Carrera GT etc.
-Joe
this.
12-30-2017, 02:54 AM
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I drove a 718 S 6-speed today... I really wanted to like it. I'm not hung up on the "it's only a four cylinder" or "sounds like a Subaru" crap, but it did absolutely nothing for me. And did sound like a Subaru! :-)