KM1959

Since you've never driven canyon roads with friends you can't possibly know what it is about. It is not racing. And you wouldn't be left behind because of acceleration, that's your words. You'd be left behind because you'd be shifting a lot slower. Probably also because, well, you just don't seem like a whole lot of fun to be around.

Dock

You're kidding, right?

Carlo_Carrera

Don't feed the troll. And yes, is definitely no fun to be around.

Dock

Carlo -

Preferring a manual to a PDK is none of what you stated in post #9.

I posted about my personal subjective opinions, while you're post is a personal attack (against the forum rules I believe).

Atrox

Dock is entitled to his opinion, hell Porsche obviously had several complaints about losing the manual and created the R.

I for for one am an average manual driver, and the fact that these newer 911’s have ridiculous power bands is enough to want me to make the most of that power with a trans that is smart enough to deliver it aka not me but the pdk.

Bob Rouleau

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, some manage to express their view more politely than others.
I enjoy driving a manual car on the road. On track, PDK is magic although I prefer to shift it manually.

T10Chris

I recently drove a 991.2 Turbo S.

It's a brilliant car. It's a big car. It hides it's size much better in motion than it does in parking lot speeds or sitting in traffic. It doesn't feel heavy, it just feels like a large car. It's a heavyweight boxer I suppose, large but nimble/quick on it's feet with a lot of power.

Massively powerful. The PDK is great, I especially appreciated how quickly it drops down to the correct gear based on your throttle position nearly instantly. It's almost like it is taking data directly from your brain.

It's a ton of fun, but it is less of a driver's car than the 996 IMO.

Dock

Without having a broad brush attack for having it?

hybridporky

Drove a 991.1 TTS, and the car is just stupid fast. As many have said here, it climbs through its gears SO fast that you would be hard pressed to catch up in a manual.

Its a technical marvel in its own right, just the ability to pick up off the line, and track so straight... ANYONE can get in and drive it hard.

Definitely a car that i would love to own some day for ****s and giggles, but in terms of pure driving pleasure and involvement, our 996s are still something else altogether. I can always own a 991 type car as the years go by, but our 996 and older cars, are just something that will be left for memory as cars become more and more technically advanced within the next 10 years.

A simple way to put it, driving the 991 hard, i am still able to observe the speedo, boost readout, and even the RPM i am at. With the 996, it involves, listening to engine revvs, perfectly timed shifts, and watching the road. It is such a different experience.

The 991TT is ALOT like a tuned RS7.

Dock

Carlo -

Accusing someone of narrow mindedness and exhibiting naivete for preferring a manual over a PDK is like accusing someone of the same things for preferring Porsche over Corvette, or silver over red, or brunettes over redheads, or tall women over short women.

Obviously, there are a large number of people who prefer a manual transmission over an automatic transmission (read "PDK" in this thread), especially in terms of street use. That opinion exhibits neither narrow mindedness or naivete.

manimal

We're all driving 996TT's, yes? Presumably, manual ones. I think the general preference of a RL'er and 996TT owner speaks for itself.

I'm not sure if I would ever personally buy a PDK, but if you can't see the appeal (especially on a car like the 991TT, which is an entirely different nature of a beast than the 996TT), that seems a bit closed-minded to me. One obvious example is avoiding the risk of money shifting your $200k car in the heat of the moment on the track, and whatever extra driving confidence that translates to.

The guys I see at the PCA AutoX with PDK's are driving their cars HARD. They definitely don't get any derision from me, as much as I enjoy rowing my gears.

Carlo_Carrera

Have you driven a 991TTS?

Carlo_Carrera

Exactly, an H-pattern manual box in a 991TTS would be wasting the potential of the engine. A sequential manual on the other hand would probably work well. If someone wants to row gears buy a GT3 or one of the Carrera models.

Carlo_Carrera

My issue with Doc is that he has not even driven a 991TTS and has made no input on the subject of the thread. He has instead used it as a way to make thinly veiled disparaging remarks toward others who have provided valid first hand opinions on the subject. He is a troll, and boring, predictable and uncreative one at that.

Dock

Where did I opine negatively about the appeal that PDK may have with other people? As a matter of fact, I posted "different strokes for different folks" regarding the issue of PDK vs. a manual.