Current market for 6GT3s?
 

My brother is thinking of selling the 2004 GT3 I sold to him few years back and asking me how much he should list it. Since I've been away from the scene past few years, I was wondering if you gents can help me out... It's Carrera White, 53,xxx miles, OEM RS wing, OEM RS Front bumper, Tequipment half cage, PCCBs in the box, Brembo GT discs in the front and Cup car discs in the rear. I bought the car from from Champion Porsche in 2007 with CPO. Then, I had about 6-7 trackdays during my ownership before sold to him. Car is in Southern California and never been to a track. Any idea how much it is worth now? Appreciate the help.

Cheers,
Ken

I can't give you a number but please send me a PM when you figure it out. I am looking.

Quote of the year. Letme know your price. All in for an untracked 996 GT3.

50 for a quick sale. 60 if you want it to sit for a little. You could probably get 55 for it if you asked for 60. I think you should buy it back and restore it to its former glory. ;)

50-55 is definitely a fair price esp considering you have the oem rs wing and bumper

I'd agree. 50-55 considering it has over 50K miles. The RS wing and bumper certainly help with the sale.

Are the fittings welded, guards LSD, new clutch, etc? Any of these items replaced/fixed, that will add some $$ as well

I've spent years telling people mods don't add value. Warns my heart to see a member say that my parts add value and marketability to a GT3. Sorry for the OT. Don't know what it is worth but GLWS.

They don't necessarily add value, but do add marketability. Especially to the RL crowd.

Yeah, to the general public, they probably don't care about Guard LSD, welded coolant fittings, etc. But to the crowd here, I definitely think it adds to the value. (As it is something that really NEEDED to be done.. !)

Unless just used on the street, then might not be critical.. !

50 miles is 50,000
60k if you find an idiot buyer
take the wing off. sell separately to me $2400, sell it with car, $0

welding pinninng coolant. all owers get it done NOW.
dont dream too much.
you fail on track spin hit wall, $20000
you dump coolant on street (it goes in 30 seconds, epmtying the coolnat tank), if you are on it, your temp goes haywire in less than 1 min. then you warp the heads, then you destroy the engine, the you are out $10000. oh, i warped my several times. i am slow learner. i hope you guys are smarter.

$5000 today or a lot more tomorrow.

Sell the RS Wing separate from the car. You will get a much better value especially since it is in high demand, and is only available on the secondary market -- unless you pay some crazy number from PCNA.

Mooty,
Which reputable shop in the Bay Area who can do this? Sharkwerks?

Just had mine done at Shark Werks. Recommended.
http://sharkwerks.com/porsche/996-ca...uspension.html

sharky pins
tony welds
i like both.
so 1/2 of my are pinned, the other 1/2 welded..
all perfect.

Thanks for the inputs! Unfortunately, no guards LSD, clutch is still stock and coolant fittings are also stock and not welded. When I sold the car to him, those modifications weren't as popular as they are now. I did install toe links and GT2 seats, which he sold it to his 911 friend already. He put about 2000 miles a year since then and all of them are on the street. I'm the only owner of that car who took it to a track. :)

I'll let him read this discussion and post a for sale thread when he's ready. Here's a latest picture of the car.

and create our own little CW GT3 club! :)

Attrition will keep these stable. This was the LAST Porsche made in the spirit of a true sports car. Manufacturers cannot (afford to) make cars like this anymore. The litigious nature of our society has deemed we all drive "perfectly safe" cars.

The 6GT3 is not a perfect car but it is "PURE". It is still considered a street legal race car. Hans Mezger's engine designs graced more Porsche racing cars than any other in the history of the company.

If you ever wanted to own one now is the time. Mooty saw the light as I did over a year ago. I always wanted an RS America for the stable (herd) but couldn't see the value in the car. They are great cars but for a pristine example you could and can buy a 6GT3.

20/20 Hindsight: There is no comparison.

PM'd you Datax

Well stated!!

sweet car, nice (RS) mods ... I agree 50-60, did you do a new LSD/LWFW btw?

Agree 100%! I was looking for a pristine RSA for the track until the GT3 came stateside. Game on. Not perfect, but can't name a better track car for reliability + fun.

Datax! Great seeing you back on this board! You were one of the original guys on this board back in the day. What cars have you moved on to??? I still reminisce about the old crew - viken, watt, colm, etc. Good bunch of guys…

GLWS!

-Blake

So lets say I buy this car with the intent of tracking it

Checklist would be
1. Buy harness and seats - $3k
2. Weld Coolant lines - $5K (really that much?!)
3. With 50k miles I assume LSD is dead, all bushings are dead, and clutch is probably a bit worked - what should I be budgeting for that? Any other preventive / cleanup maintenance to do before it hits the track? Would, of course, want it to last forever basically

1. Buy harness and seats - $3k (unless you bought used 2nd tear items, it's more than $3000 for two seats/harnesses)

2. Weld Coolant lines - $5K (really that much?!), slightly less, not buy much

3. With 50k miles I assume LSD is dead, all bushings are dead, and clutch is probably a bit worked - what should I be budgeting for that?
LSD 2-3000
clutch and lwft $3000 plus labor
misc stuff $1500

since you are doing all that replaced the water pump.

Deferred maintainence. In this case at least it's not HVAC, Roof or Termites.

Pick a number, double it, and hopefully you'll be pleasantly surprised when the dust settles.

Best of luck.

Sorry Mooty,

Good seats - FIA approved, can easily be had for under a $1000 each, a set of Willans belts - as good as it gets in my book are not that much. I guess if you have you favorite shop install and mark everything up you could exceed $3k, but at this point you are paying a lot for convience. New RS clutch is $1400 st Suncoast - just bought one, I would double the misc since bushings will be a bit worn, need spare rims, tires, etc...

Ray

Great points Ray, and true. For years, most 996 GT3 DE guys opted for the RoW Clubsport "GT3" seat (which have skyrocketed in price new) and now seem to run $2500-3K for a pair. With Shroth harnesses at $500+ install, it is easy to get over $3k for "factory" track seats & quality harnesses.

Hey Mooty - looks like you are up to at least 54,000 posts on Rennlist… (Did you know post count rolls over to 0 at 30k?)… Help me guys - how many GT3s has Mooty owned for the track? I think it is well over 15 (if not 20)… So what do you have in your stable now?

-B

For just the friction disk? I swear I paid like $350 for my RS clutch disk a couple years ago when I did mine and maybe another $300 in clutch fork and throw out bearing. I used the 996 RS clutch not the latest 4.0 clutch even though I have the 4.0 Flywheel.

1. Buy harness and seats - $3k - buy used, plenty available
2. Weld Coolant lines - $5K (really that much?!)
3. With 50k miles I assume LSD is dead, all bushings are dead, and clutch is probably a bit worked - what should I be budgeting for that? Any other preventive / cleanup maintenance to do before it hits the track? Would, of course, want it to last forever basically

I did 2 & 3 at the same time last summer while the engine was out. Then also replaced the water pump, all hoses and reservoir, RMS and FMS, spark plugs and wires etc. I did not replace clutch as I had plenty of lif left. My total bill was 10k. Adding clutch would be another $2500 if I replaced flywheel for the light weight flywheel etc

Ray,

Yes and no.
FIA approved seats such as cobra, momo, pp are well under $1000. Sparco and recaro slider are $200 so each per seat and alum brackets at $175 per seats. I always account for labor. So 1400 or so per seat new. If you tried oem sliders, you will not use recaro or sparco slider again. those are $125 more a set. So things add up fast. Add some schroth or willans belt. $300/side. We are about about $3k for two seats and ancillaries. Some ppl love the 996 euro buckets, those currently new if you can find them are $5-6000 (inc hardware but no harness) about $3000-3500 used.

while the clutch itself is not $3000, if you are doing the clutch, you should replace all clutch bolts, release bearing, guide tube, and since 6gt3 did not come with LWFW, you might as well add them. I don’t know how to install these items so add a bit of labor it’s $3000 easily
Oh, we also pay 10% CA sales tax.
Either way, it’s all too much $$$, LOL
Blake, I just have two gt3 at the moment. One on track one in garage. Would love something like your 964 collection.

Tgavem,
Why do you say harness and seats at $3k are plenty available? Do you mean the euro buckets? I cannot find them in good shape. I only saw 2 pairs in good shape both $4000 and I bought both sets. If you have leads, let me know. That’s just the seats. Not even inc harness!
Coolant line welding is not quite 5k. I included RR of engine, ALL new coolant related line/hoses as this is the time you want to do it.

Regarding used harness and such, it all depends on the usage of the car. Starting this year, all PCA events (I was told), will check the expiration date on the harness. In the past, only club racers need to worry about it. Now the DE crowd will be forced to time out as well.

So a pair of those Schroth is about $1,000 new. If you want to run in PCA events, I guess you will need that, instead of buying "used" belts (although they can be perfectly fine, like those 2 sets of Schroth in my car).

Small things here and there!

I bought two recaros (one new one used but still not expired), 2 schroth belts sets, and side mounts a year ago for about 3k so easily do able. Floor mount adapters for gt3 might be the issue. So maybe move that to 4k estimate

I don't use sliders in my track cars so would pass there

Also it's a simple DIY so wouldn't pay someone to do it (like doing the work anyway)

So realistically it's 14k for what we discussed plus purchase price plus tires (1,500), plus pads (500) before this thing hits the track safely.

Thanks for the responses and help

a set of front pfc pads is about $500 alone. The good thing is tires are a bit cheaper than $1500 for the recommended advans.

I'm probably about $25k in over two years on a stock car that came with pccb and 8 year old tires.

Late last year, I bought an "04 GT3 with 48K miles, the big yellow calipers & near new MotorSport steel rotors, GT Euro Seats/B-K hardware/safety harnesses (good through '14) and rollbar for under $50K. In addition, the tranny had been gone through and clutch replaced.

So, while they are rare, there are still some "track ready" ones out there. You just need to be on the lookout for one. A bit of patience and flexibility on color combos (black cars are a pain - I know I've had four).

Since I don't plan to track the car and my wide bad back didn't fit in the GT seats, I sold the seats/B-K hardware/safety harnesses as a package (yes, you can sources those as well) and the car now has a nice set of 6-way power sport seats.

Why get a GT3 if I don't plan to track it? 'cause at 63, I just wanted to.

you r right in the ball park and very realistic about it.

jeff sold you a very good car!!!
and at a very good price :thumbup:

When I say plenty available, what I mean is - the DE crowd is transient so used seats, harness bar and belts come available regularly. I bought my GMG bar, maxspeed seats and belts with one year left for less than 2k. Somebody had bought a 997.1 GT3 with it installed, but did not want it. With a little patience, those opportunities will be available.

^ got it

I bought a pair of new OMG seats - ( great seat these fit me the best having sat in a LOT of seats) ~ $1500 shipped across the country, Belts were ~$300 each, mounts ~$70 per pair, sliders ~$70 per. Bars are available for cheap money, I had a full cage installed in my last car built for $2000 to meet Rally America specs. I R&R'ed the interior... It all depends on patience and/or sweat equity

Ray - who tends to be cheap

What happened to the white 63 this thread was started about? This I want to know! :corn: Datax, you out there?

What about a dedicated track car, like a 63 CUP? Anyone have an opinion? running costs, maintenance, fun factor vs street 63? Curious cause 63 Cups are looking very appealing right now, price wise. :corn:

Go to Cup Forum to hear operating expenses on 6-3 Cups. Purchasing the vehicle is the cheap part. Hell of a ride though!

you did well. i need you to shop for me.

i have had both.
the cup is WAY WAY WAY better than 6gt3 street car. WAYWAY WAY better.
cost to operate is too open ended. it depends on HOW you operated it. but lets just say if you have to think more than 10 min on cost, you simply cannot operate it the way it should be operated. it's not a cheap machine.

I'm glad I'm not the only one, I got about 20k into mine exluding wear and tear items (rotors, pads and tires). Looking back, I would get a car that was already set up, even if it wasn't a 996 :surr:

a white 996 GT3 for $50k is a great buy considering what 964 RSA are trading for.....

Im almost tempted to jump into the 996 GT3 market..... very capable 911 especially for the money!

The impetus for my purchase.

LMAO. you are either a slow buring cigarette or your spreadsheet is not working well.... it's more than that. i know you know :evilgrin:

Tor, you broke the first rule of DE car ownership - NEVER add up your receipts. Ignorance is bliss!

The 6GT3 has been one of my Idea's of going, routes if you would - since they are so cheap in the rising economy of over-priced used Porsches as of late. For less than $100K or about $100K or a little over you can get a Sharky 3.9 conversion, and even if the bottom end needs to be rebuilt hell there's still enough in there for that too.

Besides to some of the aficionados the 6GT3 is a better choice for a track car since it has less nannies and if you were unfortunate enough to buy a 7GT3 second that a Porsche dealer put all the stupid butthole options on like the Dash Wart etc.. Guards for sure/ LWFW/ new suspension bits - complete new set of bushings and not necessarily monoballs if you still like to drive on the streets. Learn how to wrench the car a little higher up when you want to drive on the streets. I know many of you will disagree but Meh you only live once.