Option code help- reconstructing window sticker
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Option code help- reconstructing window sticker
I'm helping a friend shop for a GT3. Today we looked at a 2005 GT3 with PCCB brakes that had several option codes that the available option decoders don't identify. Here is what we know so far:
All the numbers (after the VIN) on the sticker under the hood:
M9679-635 G9696-20
L041 49 (in large font )
C02 Equipped with catalytic converter
XCA
XCB
XCD
XPA
XSU
X70 Metal Door Sill with Insignia
X71 Aluminum Instrument Dials
288 Headlight washer
450 Light metal wheels
571 Fog tail lamp
573 Air conditioner
601 Litronic Headlights
981 All leather lining
09971
09991 Manufacture from the exclusive-programme
Can anybody help identify the remainder of the codes? I would expect one of the codes must be for the PCCB brakes, right? One more thing: can anyone reconstruct the sticker cost of this car from the above list? Unfortunately, the window sticker for this car is not available. I'm especially curious about the cost of PCCB brakes in 2005.
Thanks for your help.
All the numbers (after the VIN) on the sticker under the hood:
M9679-635 G9696-20
L041 49 (in large font )
C02 Equipped with catalytic converter
XCA
XCB
XCD
XPA
XSU
X70 Metal Door Sill with Insignia
X71 Aluminum Instrument Dials
288 Headlight washer
450 Light metal wheels
571 Fog tail lamp
573 Air conditioner
601 Litronic Headlights
981 All leather lining
09971
09991 Manufacture from the exclusive-programme
Can anybody help identify the remainder of the codes? I would expect one of the codes must be for the PCCB brakes, right? One more thing: can anyone reconstruct the sticker cost of this car from the above list? Unfortunately, the window sticker for this car is not available. I'm especially curious about the cost of PCCB brakes in 2005.
Thanks for your help.
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Black GT3 with full leather?
I'm not positive, but these might be some of them:
XCA - Trim strip aluminum look
XCB - Instrument panel aluminum look
XCD - More "aluminum" trim somewhere? Door handle maybe?
XPA - 3-spoke steering wheel, leather
XSU - 10mm lower seat
Not sure about 09971. 450 should be for PCCB brakes.
Do these guesses seem to match up with what you saw?
I'm not positive, but these might be some of them:
XCA - Trim strip aluminum look
XCB - Instrument panel aluminum look
XCD - More "aluminum" trim somewhere? Door handle maybe?
XPA - 3-spoke steering wheel, leather
XSU - 10mm lower seat
Not sure about 09971. 450 should be for PCCB brakes.
Do these guesses seem to match up with what you saw?
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the PCCB was an $8150 for 2004. 05 would be close. He might be able to make the case that the PCCBs take away from the car due to replacement costs and not being able to predict their death date. Have him go for a replacement of the fronts with GENII.
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All of the following are MSRP values.
$99,900 - base 2005 996 GT3 North America spec
$ 1,300 - gas guzzler tax
$ 765 - destination charge
$ 0 - L041 is the exterior paint code: black
$ 2,920 - 49 is the interior code for: Black Leather w/ Full Leather
$ 0 - C02 Emission Code
$ 680 - XCA Trim Strip Alu. Look (horizontal divider strip on the dash board)
$ ? - XCB
$ ? - XCD
$ ? - XPA
$ 705 - XSU Lowered Seats ( -10 mm)
$ 425 - X70 Metal Door Sill Model Insignia
$ 855 - X71 Aluminum Instrument Dials
$ 0 - 288 Headlight washer (part of 601)
$ 8,150 - 450 Ceramic Composite Brakes - PCCB
$ 0 - 571 Fog lamps ?
$ 0 - 573 A/C with Full Climate Control
$ 1,090 - 601 Bi-Xenon
$ ? - 981
No factory floor mats ???
$99,900 - base 2005 996 GT3 North America spec
$ 1,300 - gas guzzler tax
$ 765 - destination charge
$ 0 - L041 is the exterior paint code: black
$ 2,920 - 49 is the interior code for: Black Leather w/ Full Leather
$ 0 - C02 Emission Code
$ 680 - XCA Trim Strip Alu. Look (horizontal divider strip on the dash board)
$ ? - XCB
$ ? - XCD
$ ? - XPA
$ 705 - XSU Lowered Seats ( -10 mm)
$ 425 - X70 Metal Door Sill Model Insignia
$ 855 - X71 Aluminum Instrument Dials
$ 0 - 288 Headlight washer (part of 601)
$ 8,150 - 450 Ceramic Composite Brakes - PCCB
$ 0 - 571 Fog lamps ?
$ 0 - 573 A/C with Full Climate Control
$ 1,090 - 601 Bi-Xenon
$ ? - 981
No factory floor mats ???
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Folks,
Thank you very much for your help.
It appears the "450" is for PCCB brakes, based on what you've said above. What bugs me is that this conflicts with the decoders found in the Rennlist archives (including the one on Charlie Kindel's site), which show "450" as for "Light metal wheels." Do you suppose that the decoder is just plain wrong?
If so, it makes me question all of its decodes. I did notice that his site appears not to have been updated since 2002.
roberga,
You said "He might be able to make the case that the PCCBs take away from the car due to replacement costs and not being able to predict their death date. Have him go for a replacement of the fronts with GENII."
When were the GEN II brakes first sold? Based on my newbie's understanding (gained from reading Rennlist last night), it was my impression that the GEN II brakes were installed on 2004 and later production GT3s (which I have heard called "MK2" cars). Do you have a different understanding? What, specifically, was different between the GEN I and GEN II brakes? I wasn't able to figure that out (yet) from my research.
One last question. I'm sure this has been asked and answered in the past, but I couldn't find the answer quickly. What would be the cost to mothball all the brake components unique to the PCCBs and replace them with steel? Exactly what parts are we speaking of: the rotors and pads? How about the calipers, master cylinder ABS components, or other parts? If any of you know of the golden thread that already documents this and could refer me to it, that would be great.
Thanks again for your help.
Rob
Thank you very much for your help.
It appears the "450" is for PCCB brakes, based on what you've said above. What bugs me is that this conflicts with the decoders found in the Rennlist archives (including the one on Charlie Kindel's site), which show "450" as for "Light metal wheels." Do you suppose that the decoder is just plain wrong?
If so, it makes me question all of its decodes. I did notice that his site appears not to have been updated since 2002.
roberga,
You said "He might be able to make the case that the PCCBs take away from the car due to replacement costs and not being able to predict their death date. Have him go for a replacement of the fronts with GENII."
When were the GEN II brakes first sold? Based on my newbie's understanding (gained from reading Rennlist last night), it was my impression that the GEN II brakes were installed on 2004 and later production GT3s (which I have heard called "MK2" cars). Do you have a different understanding? What, specifically, was different between the GEN I and GEN II brakes? I wasn't able to figure that out (yet) from my research.
One last question. I'm sure this has been asked and answered in the past, but I couldn't find the answer quickly. What would be the cost to mothball all the brake components unique to the PCCBs and replace them with steel? Exactly what parts are we speaking of: the rotors and pads? How about the calipers, master cylinder ABS components, or other parts? If any of you know of the golden thread that already documents this and could refer me to it, that would be great.
Thanks again for your help.
Rob
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Rob S,
I completely understand your frustration with the option codes. They are designed for Porsche AG use and most are not printed on the car's window sticker, just the description and cost. Porsche AG changes some codes based on who knows what criteria. Sometimes they are aligned with a model, 993, 996, 944, etc. In addition some options are standard items for some Porsche Model specs (parts of the world). The fog lights and catalytic converter on the GT3 are standard for North America spec, hence they shouldn't be on the label as options.
We just about over loaded this web site with PCCB discussions. I think most will agree the savings in mass and longer life (street use) over the iron discs is great but the cost of replacing the PCCB disks is not acceptable.
Most simple change of First Generation PCCB system to iron:
1. Replace front PCCB disks with iron ones but use the same original yellow calipers
2. Replace the front brake pads
3. The rear iron disks are 330 mm and the PCCB are 350 mm diameter. Replace the disks and the calipers on the rear (that would be red calipers now, unless someone is selling the rears in yellow, I cannot remember)
4. Replace the rear brake pads
I completely understand your frustration with the option codes. They are designed for Porsche AG use and most are not printed on the car's window sticker, just the description and cost. Porsche AG changes some codes based on who knows what criteria. Sometimes they are aligned with a model, 993, 996, 944, etc. In addition some options are standard items for some Porsche Model specs (parts of the world). The fog lights and catalytic converter on the GT3 are standard for North America spec, hence they shouldn't be on the label as options.
We just about over loaded this web site with PCCB discussions. I think most will agree the savings in mass and longer life (street use) over the iron discs is great but the cost of replacing the PCCB disks is not acceptable.
Most simple change of First Generation PCCB system to iron:
1. Replace front PCCB disks with iron ones but use the same original yellow calipers
2. Replace the front brake pads
3. The rear iron disks are 330 mm and the PCCB are 350 mm diameter. Replace the disks and the calipers on the rear (that would be red calipers now, unless someone is selling the rears in yellow, I cannot remember)
4. Replace the rear brake pads
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Enthusiast,
Thank you for your thoughts. I chuckled when you described the overload of information on this site regarding PCCBs. As a newcomer wanting to understand the score on this matter, it became clear that many hours could be spent doing research. I invested about two hours in Rennlist last night; my conclusion is that there is no clear verdict on the PCCB brake issue. This leaves me thinking that PCCBs are right for some people and not for others. The task is to define what parameters make PCCBs the right (or wrong) choice for each individual situation, and even that is complex.
The particular car that we're looking at doesn't have a window sticker, unfortunately. So all we have to go on is the option code list; that's why I'm trying to understand it. I know it's possible to go through PCNA for the Cardex on that car, but that takes time (and money), and wouldn't be worth doing at this stage.
Thank you for your thoughts. I chuckled when you described the overload of information on this site regarding PCCBs. As a newcomer wanting to understand the score on this matter, it became clear that many hours could be spent doing research. I invested about two hours in Rennlist last night; my conclusion is that there is no clear verdict on the PCCB brake issue. This leaves me thinking that PCCBs are right for some people and not for others. The task is to define what parameters make PCCBs the right (or wrong) choice for each individual situation, and even that is complex.
The particular car that we're looking at doesn't have a window sticker, unfortunately. So all we have to go on is the option code list; that's why I'm trying to understand it. I know it's possible to go through PCNA for the Cardex on that car, but that takes time (and money), and wouldn't be worth doing at this stage.
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You don't need to replace the rear calipers when doing the steel rotor swap. According to Bob R:
"The real solution is to replace the front rotors with 996 GT3 350 MM steel rotors. Replace the rear ones with 997 GT3 rear rotors which are the same diameter. You will be able to retain your original calipers. You can buy the rotors from US suppliers for less than 400 US dollars each. "
This swap is the route I'll take when my PCCB rotors start to come apart. I think some site sponsors sell the rotor set as a package.
"The real solution is to replace the front rotors with 996 GT3 350 MM steel rotors. Replace the rear ones with 997 GT3 rear rotors which are the same diameter. You will be able to retain your original calipers. You can buy the rotors from US suppliers for less than 400 US dollars each. "
This swap is the route I'll take when my PCCB rotors start to come apart. I think some site sponsors sell the rotor set as a package.
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Rob S
All GT3 996 came with Gen I. The direct replacement for those regardless of the part number entered will be the GENII. I have GEN II on my fronts (thanks to my dealers help). Lots of track time( 5,000miles) and 15,000 total miles on them. They are like new.