B-DUB

Hoping to get a little feedback from the group on a GT3 I am interested in. I was provided a work order from the selling dealer for maintenance they just performed and on it had the DME numbers for range 1 and range 2 over revs. The car has 189 range 2 over revs with the last occurring at 705.8 hours. The car has a total of 705.8 hours so some (or all) range 2 over revs were literally just incurred. The car is the color, mileage and options I am interested in but now leery due to how recent the range 2 happened and that no time has passed to know if there is/was any damage.

Any thoughts/insight?

AudiOn19s

General rule of thumb is you aren’t necesssrily in the clear for 50 or so hours of operation since a type II event.

Whoever took it it for one last rip has caused a whole world of worry for themselves and the next owner given the current situation.

Type II’s aren’t the end of the world, that count isn’t horribly high and you never know how many of that count was the last event..could be a few of them, could be all of them.

B-DUB

That's now my concern. No time has passed to know if there is any potential damage.

So, would you pass on the car given the unknown?

pors9

Would not worry about range 2.

Rootwitch

I thought range 2 (>8800 RPM) were definitely a concern on the 996 GT3's. There could have been a missed shift.
Range 1's are not a big concern.

When I bought my car there was a different issue - the DME had been replaced, so there was a concern that was done to hide over-revs.
At the PPI I had compression tested and got the cam deviation too, although not a leak down test.
Those tests were fine, and the car seems fine too, after a summer of going to tracks and street driving.

You might be able to get some of these tests and others done, and if they all check out maybe it might be worth considering, but it seems like lots of caution is in order.
Since the range 2 revs apparently just happened, you could just ask the seller what they did!!

pors9

Sorry I missed that this was a 996 ... my bad.

rbahr

Type 2 with the 996 can include valve damage (valve to piston), a flywheel failure - you spin them up to far and you can have problems.

If you *really* like the car, get a UOA, compression and leak down test, and then negotiate...

Ray

RossP

If it was me......I would pass. Those range 2s will be there forever and you will have to explain the situation when you sell down the road. Also as others have mentioned this just happened, so you dont really know if its a ticking time bomb. On the other hand you could use it as a negotiating tactic but don't be surprised if the seller tries to downplay the importance of range 2s.

tgavem

The new dealer PIWIS ONLY reads Range 1 and range 2 for the 996GT3. For newer cars, it reads range 1-2-3.........etc

Therefore, you don't know how high it went. 189 ignitions is a fraction of a second but since so recent, I would certainly ask more questions.

AudiOn19s

Is the car at a dealer or private party? I'd inquire as to what the heck happened and use it as a negotiation point that someone JUST drove it in an irresponsible manor.

I wouldn't buy it without test driving and putting some miles on it myself given that the range 2 event just happened.

The problem with the 996 DME is you don't know how many of those counts came from the most recent event. could be a few of them, could be all of them. As stated that's < half second above the 8200 rev limiter total...but what you don't know is if it was 8500rpm mistake of 10,500 mistake.

If you can't drive and evaluate for yourself I'd pass.

RossP

996s only record range 1 and 2s. There is no such thing as a range 3, 4, 5 on a 996. Its either range 1 or range 2.

Rootwitch

I read online that for 996 GT3, range 1 is 8200 to 8800 RPM and range 2 is >8800 RPM.

Maybe one could rule out a very high RPM event. Let's say it revved to 11000 RPM on a missed shift.
It doesn't seem like you could get only 189 ignitions reported if it went that high,

tgavem

Agree, what I said. Newer cars, ie 997, 991 etc does range 1,2,3.........

Range 2 is anything above 8300, so you dont know how high it went, like Audi said, could be 8800 or 10500.

RossP

I misinterpreted/misread your comment then. Yes I agree, once you get into range 2 you dont know how high it actually went.

himself

189 range 2 = 63 revolutions. at 8000 RPM thats .008 seconds. at 9000 .007 seconds. etc.

I don't think you could get to 10,500 RPM and only net 63 revolutions. I'm sure someone could do the math and figure it out.

I'm sure the car is fine, but a proper PPI is still in order. NEVER pass on the PPI.

-td