Received the Retrofit but wish I went with the Sulotion
11-07-2016, 12:44 PM
#46
Former Vendor
I'm pretty good at offending people. It gets easier everyday, as the modern human takes offense with almost everything.
That said, I wasn't directing my statement to you at all, since you did apply an LN product to the engine, and none of those are cheap.
What I was referring to should have been more clear, and thats my fault. "Cheap" was meant to be directed toward the IMSB kits sold on eBay, and other suppliers for a couple hundred bucks. These use off shore bearings (the "best" of them uses a Romanian bearing!) and thats what too many people are trying to convince shops to install.
Again, the IMS Solution can be reused over and over again, and can be swapped from engine to engine without issue. I have one kit thats been installed into over a dozen engines, in 4 different vehicles. We recently had one customer who wanted to upgrade his car from a Boxster to a first Gen 997 with the M96 diameter (early 2005) IMS bearing. He had his local shop remove the IMS Solution from the Boxster, and replace it with a Single Row Pro. He then kept the IMS Solution, and had it installed into the 997, once he took delivery of it. All they did was replace the outer seal, and the inner diameter O ring, for good measure.
Its considerations like this that make the IMS Solution more valuable than the price tag. You can't do these things with any other form of IMSR technology.
That said, I wasn't directing my statement to you at all, since you did apply an LN product to the engine, and none of those are cheap.
What I was referring to should have been more clear, and thats my fault. "Cheap" was meant to be directed toward the IMSB kits sold on eBay, and other suppliers for a couple hundred bucks. These use off shore bearings (the "best" of them uses a Romanian bearing!) and thats what too many people are trying to convince shops to install.
Again, the IMS Solution can be reused over and over again, and can be swapped from engine to engine without issue. I have one kit thats been installed into over a dozen engines, in 4 different vehicles. We recently had one customer who wanted to upgrade his car from a Boxster to a first Gen 997 with the M96 diameter (early 2005) IMS bearing. He had his local shop remove the IMS Solution from the Boxster, and replace it with a Single Row Pro. He then kept the IMS Solution, and had it installed into the 997, once he took delivery of it. All they did was replace the outer seal, and the inner diameter O ring, for good measure.
Its considerations like this that make the IMS Solution more valuable than the price tag. You can't do these things with any other form of IMSR technology.
11-07-2016, 01:57 PM
#47
Racer
Ah, gotcha. Sorry for taking offense, we have a saying here at the office that it's better to talk on the phone because it's so easy to read between the lines of the written word. I am guilty of that here. Once again, I completely understand the value of the IMS Solution and wish I could have done that now, but not knowing the exact history of the car, I wanted to do something for peace of mind and this worked for me.
12-23-2016, 04:30 PM
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Given the car is between 12 to 16 yrs old the solution makes sense primarily to a collector
Partsgeek sells the Single Row Pro for $583 and IMS solution for $1444.
My local mechanic in Houston charges 12 to 15 hrs of labor to install the IMS Pro which he removes the engine. Labor for the solution is about 3 hrs more.
The difference in price between the IMS Pro and Solution pays for a clutch kit, RMS and waterpump and spark plugs.
I say take care of more problems for the same money vs just installing the IMS solution and drive your car without worries
Then in 5 years or 75K miles you can decide if you want to keep your 17 to 21 yr old car or upgrade to something more modern without IMS issues.
Partsgeek sells the Single Row Pro for $583 and IMS solution for $1444.
My local mechanic in Houston charges 12 to 15 hrs of labor to install the IMS Pro which he removes the engine. Labor for the solution is about 3 hrs more.
The difference in price between the IMS Pro and Solution pays for a clutch kit, RMS and waterpump and spark plugs.
I say take care of more problems for the same money vs just installing the IMS solution and drive your car without worries
Then in 5 years or 75K miles you can decide if you want to keep your 17 to 21 yr old car or upgrade to something more modern without IMS issues.
12-23-2016, 07:44 PM
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One less option for me to think about as I have no Certified techs here in Hawaii...
12-23-2016, 08:35 PM
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12-23-2016, 09:24 PM
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Okay here goes...
Recently had the Intermediate Shaft Retro-fit Service completed but now I wish I paid the extra dough to go with the IMS Solution Retrofits. But wondering if anyone else had the same feelings?
I located my local shop from http://imsretrofit.com/.
I apolize for my spelling error(s) LOL
Thank you for any input
Recently had the Intermediate Shaft Retro-fit Service completed but now I wish I paid the extra dough to go with the IMS Solution Retrofits. But wondering if anyone else had the same feelings?
I located my local shop from http://imsretrofit.com/.
I apolize for my spelling error(s) LOL
Thank you for any input
12-24-2016, 12:32 AM
#52
Former Vendor
12-24-2016, 12:50 AM
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12-24-2016, 12:57 AM
#54
Former Vendor
Thats why I posted my statement. One thing is for sure, anyone who comes to a class with only the intent of being selected, certainly will not be selected. I can see those guys a mile away. I am looking for the real guys, with busted knuckles. The ones that aren't filled with image, or have big ads, or a big reputation that's fake.
That alone omits 90% of most people/ shops.
That alone omits 90% of most people/ shops.
12-24-2016, 08:58 AM
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12-30-2016, 07:14 PM
#56
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Hard to say. I remain puzzled by the recommended service interval on the LN Engineering retrofits, particularly if the new bearing is some type of two-race model. With good lubrication (frequent changes with top flight oil); no grease bleed-out risk (as with the original design); and an upgraded, durable ceramic construction, then assuming the extracted bearing was in great shape (suggesting a lack of a run-out issues on the shaft), why would these not last 200,000+ miles?
01-03-2017, 09:52 PM
#57
I bought an '03 with 50K miles. I negotiated the cost of the solution, expansion tank, and RMS off asking price. Simple enough. The whole world knows about this issue by now, there are plenty of 996's for sale, so leverage the seller.
I never understood the "I can replace the IMS 2-3 times for the cost of the Solution" bean counting. If you know you can fix it forever the first time, it is a service free part, it increases re-sale value, and gives that much more piece of mind, why not?
I never understood the "I can replace the IMS 2-3 times for the cost of the Solution" bean counting. If you know you can fix it forever the first time, it is a service free part, it increases re-sale value, and gives that much more piece of mind, why not?