Oil pan baffle questions
03-22-2016, 07:36 PM
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03-22-2016, 07:48 PM
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Thank you Don for the excellent explanation! 
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03-23-2016, 09:43 AM
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The oil pressure drops ,they are @the slowest corners @ the slowest REVs. This is what is expected at the time ,lower revs, lower oil pressure in a race. If you just had a oil pressure gauge , you might be able to pick this up, but I believe that in a race you normally do not look at gauges @ turn in. Also oil pressure senders are dampened, the data sensors can be dampened by adjusting the sampling rate, the Data dash setup controls this, much more accurate method.
Mantissport has been at the leading edge on Deep sumps. We developed this in 2006 when we build the 1St Cayman race car. Having raced a 911SC with dry sump I did'nt like the wet sump deal. So I decided we needed more oil, 2L more. Mantissport over the years has developed this into a advanced 1 pc sump, better baffling/oil dams this help direct the oil to the oil pickup. Solid bottom , more ground clearnace by 5/8". Our concept has been copied by others.In the past ,We have worked with Bodymotion group in developing Sumps, Bodymotion has their own solution, grew out of ours. Its nice.
The Mantis windage tray, prevents sloshing of oil up the sides of the block, also locates the stock baffle, above the deep sump.The oil dams in the sump direct the oil on turns to the oil pickup. We have used a local universities CFD program to locate the dams, shaker post rig testing. We have tried to provide the best solution for street/track/racing. Mantissport ,also has a custom made 944 oil pans , with dual baffles, 2L to 4L more oil capacity.
Mantissport has been at the leading edge on Deep sumps. We developed this in 2006 when we build the 1St Cayman race car. Having raced a 911SC with dry sump I did'nt like the wet sump deal. So I decided we needed more oil, 2L more. Mantissport over the years has developed this into a advanced 1 pc sump, better baffling/oil dams this help direct the oil to the oil pickup. Solid bottom , more ground clearnace by 5/8". Our concept has been copied by others.In the past ,We have worked with Bodymotion group in developing Sumps, Bodymotion has their own solution, grew out of ours. Its nice.
The Mantis windage tray, prevents sloshing of oil up the sides of the block, also locates the stock baffle, above the deep sump.The oil dams in the sump direct the oil on turns to the oil pickup. We have used a local universities CFD program to locate the dams, shaker post rig testing. We have tried to provide the best solution for street/track/racing. Mantissport ,also has a custom made 944 oil pans , with dual baffles, 2L to 4L more oil capacity.
Last edited by Ernie J; 03-23-2016 at 10:06 AM.
04-19-2016, 02:00 AM
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So if I'm looking to eventually move to R-comps for DE and Autocross events, which of these is recommended? Baffle only, +.5 quart kit, or +2 quart kit? Thx!
04-19-2016, 10:34 AM
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I ran the FVD kit on my 996. It adds 3/4 of a quart of oil more than the X-51 pan and has improved baffles and a pick-up tube spacer. I had zero problems with this kit running rcomps, averaging 4 DE's a year. Super easy install too.
http://www.fvd.de/us/en/Porsche-0/92...otorsport.html
http://www.fvd.de/us/en/Porsche-0/92...otorsport.html
04-19-2016, 04:38 PM
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I ran the FVD kit on my 996. It adds 3/4 of a quart of oil more than the X-51 pan and has improved baffles and a pick-up tube spacer. I had zero problems with this kit running rcomps, averaging 4 DE's a year. Super easy install too.
http://www.fvd.de/us/en/Porsche-0/92...otorsport.html
http://www.fvd.de/us/en/Porsche-0/92...otorsport.html
10-04-2018, 03:12 AM
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Hi Guys,
All of the baffles from Tarett, Pelican and LN originate from EBS Racing (Engine Builders Supply Co.). The basic profile is a modification of the original X51 unit with a few mods for broader application fitment and stainless doors that won't disintegrate over time like those of the plastic baffle and the X51. All of the designs (Factory and EBS) allows for relatively small amounts of oil to seep through in various spots. However, our design forces oil to go into the pickup area which the plastic baffle does not regardless of windage trays or extensions that are installed. The design has proven effective in hundreds of installations in nearly 5 years time including cars running slicks in various SCCA and PCA classes. The rubber seals are oil and chemical resistant and rated to higher temperatures than you will run your oil. If there is any sealant that squished out a bit during assembly it should be carefully removed with a razor. I will keep my eyes on new parts so this does not become a problem. Also of note, some of the oil pan castings do not allow for use of the lower seals on the protrusions that have upper and lower seals. They can simply be removed as the clearance is too tight when the assembly is bolted down. For clarification, we have two versions; one for a standard pan and another for use with the .5 quart spacer kits from Brey-Krause and LN Engineering. Please feel free to contact me with any questions or concerns you have.
Thank you, Don Weaver-EBS Racing
800-357-2088
don@ebsracing.com
All of the baffles from Tarett, Pelican and LN originate from EBS Racing (Engine Builders Supply Co.). The basic profile is a modification of the original X51 unit with a few mods for broader application fitment and stainless doors that won't disintegrate over time like those of the plastic baffle and the X51. All of the designs (Factory and EBS) allows for relatively small amounts of oil to seep through in various spots. However, our design forces oil to go into the pickup area which the plastic baffle does not regardless of windage trays or extensions that are installed. The design has proven effective in hundreds of installations in nearly 5 years time including cars running slicks in various SCCA and PCA classes. The rubber seals are oil and chemical resistant and rated to higher temperatures than you will run your oil. If there is any sealant that squished out a bit during assembly it should be carefully removed with a razor. I will keep my eyes on new parts so this does not become a problem. Also of note, some of the oil pan castings do not allow for use of the lower seals on the protrusions that have upper and lower seals. They can simply be removed as the clearance is too tight when the assembly is bolted down. For clarification, we have two versions; one for a standard pan and another for use with the .5 quart spacer kits from Brey-Krause and LN Engineering. Please feel free to contact me with any questions or concerns you have.
Thank you, Don Weaver-EBS Racing
800-357-2088
don@ebsracing.com
10-04-2018, 12:12 PM
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I ran the FVD kit on my 996. It adds 3/4 of a quart of oil more than the X-51 pan and has improved baffles and a pick-up tube spacer. I had zero problems with this kit running rcomps, averaging 4 DE's a year. Super easy install too.
http://www.fvd.de/us/en/Porsche-0/92...otorsport.html
http://www.fvd.de/us/en/Porsche-0/92...otorsport.html
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10-04-2018, 03:03 PM
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10-04-2018, 09:19 PM
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10-04-2018, 10:47 PM
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10-04-2018, 11:43 PM
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Buy the LN one.
https://lnengineering.com/products/m...ard-plate.html
It doesn’t mount to the engine.
https://lnengineering.com/products/m...ard-plate.html
It doesn’t mount to the engine.