996 --> 997 Front End Conversion Process and Pictures
#17
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I like what you're doing too but what surprises me the most is the lack of posts here screaming that it's blasphemous to put a 997 front end on a 996.
If I could mimic the 997.1 GT3 look on my car I would be pretty darn happy!
If I could mimic the 997.1 GT3 look on my car I would be pretty darn happy!
#18
I dunno if I smell a CarlylesPics wannabe here....
Here was the original post:
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/9...acelift-2.html
#19
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This. I don't see a front end conversion cost justified in the eyes of most 996 owners as the cost could rival that of 997 territory. Btw, good to great fitting frp parts don't always have to be expensive, it's just that the cheaper ones are sort of like playing Russian Roulette.
As a basic financial rule, no aftermarket cosmetic part you buy for your car can be justified, ever. It's a foolish way to spend money, financially speaking. Total loss. Money flushed down the toilet. I'm not even a big fan of conversions really, because most of them are sloppy. You can see gaps in the fender wells, wavy parts that should have been sanded flat, panels that don't line up, etc. Not to mention the fact that a lot of conversions are designed to pass the vehicle off as something that it isn't. If I were trying to "build" a 997, I'd have done the rear tail lights too, and the seats, and the interior, and the airbox and all of the other junk. Really, I just like the headlights. Could care less for the rest of the 997. Engine isn't any better than mine. If I had a 997, I'd probably just use it for spare parts. People here (where I live) don't even know the difference because BOTH the 996 and 997 are so exceedingly rare that you can go months in a city of 10 million without ever seeing one.
I'm not trying to turn my car into a 997, I'm simply updating one aspect of it, similar to performing a little bit of cosmetic surgery. I loved my car from every angle but the front, and now I've fixed it to my liking. Blasphemous? Who cares.
Holy S^%&! You did this work yourself or just the body mods? Your shop is amazing. Great job.
Last edited by offshoreMM; 01-08-2013 at 12:32 PM.
#20
Who cares about the fitment? Its fiberglass. Even if it's an inch short, you can MAKE it fit. It's like play-dough. You cut, you add, you sand, you remove. What you guys should REALLY be concerned about is the THICKNESS and DURABILITY of the parts. But anyway, if the fitment is an issue for anyone, I'd suggest spending your money elsewhere and just leaving your car how it is. If you are already getting nervous about fitment before you even start on the conversion process, I can predict that you are going to go insane with any of the other countless issues that will arise during the project.
As a basic financial rule, no aftermarket cosmetic part you buy for your car can be justified, ever. It's a foolish way to spend money, financially speaking. Total loss. Money flushed down the toilet. I'm not even a big fan of conversions really, because most of them are sloppy. You can see gaps in the fender wells, wavy parts that should have been sanded flat, panels that don't line up, etc. Not to mention the fact that a lot of conversions are designed to pass the vehicle off as something that it isn't. If I were trying to "build" a 997, I'd have done the rear tail lights too, and the seats, and the interior, and the airbox and all of the other junk. Really, I just like the headlights. Could care less for the rest of the 997. Engine isn't any better than mine. If I had a 997, I'd probably just use it for spare parts.
I'm not trying to turn my car into a 997, I'm simply updating one aspect of it, similar to performing a little bit of cosmetic surgery. I loved my car from every angle but the front, and now I've fixed it to my liking. Blasphemous? Who cares.
As a basic financial rule, no aftermarket cosmetic part you buy for your car can be justified, ever. It's a foolish way to spend money, financially speaking. Total loss. Money flushed down the toilet. I'm not even a big fan of conversions really, because most of them are sloppy. You can see gaps in the fender wells, wavy parts that should have been sanded flat, panels that don't line up, etc. Not to mention the fact that a lot of conversions are designed to pass the vehicle off as something that it isn't. If I were trying to "build" a 997, I'd have done the rear tail lights too, and the seats, and the interior, and the airbox and all of the other junk. Really, I just like the headlights. Could care less for the rest of the 997. Engine isn't any better than mine. If I had a 997, I'd probably just use it for spare parts.
I'm not trying to turn my car into a 997, I'm simply updating one aspect of it, similar to performing a little bit of cosmetic surgery. I loved my car from every angle but the front, and now I've fixed it to my liking. Blasphemous? Who cares.
The point isn't really about fitment and being able to make it fit as it is more of the cost for most. Logically for most 996 owners, if the conversion just for the front is gonna cost close to $10k when it's all said and done and if they could sell their car for mid 20's at least, it might make more sense for them to sell their car and invest the $10k into getting a real 997 as you can find quite a bit of low mileage version around mid 30's these days.
You being in Korea might be more advantageous when it comes to shop labor rates over there(dunno). But I can definitely tell you the man hours needed to pull that off in terms of labor for correcting all those issues here at a high end shop is going to cost and arm and leg.
Please keep us updated as not too many have tackled this option and posted their experiences before.
#21
Three Wheelin'
Seems like the guy is having a body shop do it although his posts seems a bit confusing like he's doing it or have done it. Also seems like t his is the guy that was in Korea.
I dunno if I smell a CarlylesPics wannabe here....
Here was the original post:
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/9...acelift-2.html
I dunno if I smell a CarlylesPics wannabe here....
Here was the original post:
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/9...acelift-2.html
I for one really appreciate and thank this guy for documenting his hobby - and it does appear he's really obsessive about quality of fit/finish.
Offshore - congrats on the excellent progress. I for one like to keep my 996 looking like a 996, but kudos to you for taking on such an ambitious project.
#22
What? I've read both this thread and the one on 6speedonline and I don't ready into anything remotely fishy or 'calyclespics' about it. You really need to find a different hobby than picking apart people's post. and WTF does him being in Korea have to do with anything?
I for one really appreciate and thank this guy for documenting his hobby - and it does appear he's really obsessive about quality of fit/finish.
Offshore - congrats on the excellent progress. I for one like to keep my 996 looking like a 996, but kudos to you for taking on such an ambitious project.
I for one really appreciate and thank this guy for documenting his hobby - and it does appear he's really obsessive about quality of fit/finish.
Offshore - congrats on the excellent progress. I for one like to keep my 996 looking like a 996, but kudos to you for taking on such an ambitious project.
Being in Korea has a lot of things to do with this. One being that labor costs can be different over there. Second, it is very expensive to import foreign cars or be able to obtain imports over there for a reasonable cost making the conversion to 997 more logically sane than having to spend quite a bit more to just buy a 997 over there. Over here might be a different story as we have more options and don't have to deal with steep import taxation rates.
For the people thinking this guy could've just bought a 997 have to take this aspect into consideration. Here is the US, I'm sure most would think of just upgrading to 997 but it's not as easy over there.
#23
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Those of you guys living in the USA are basically living in the land where exotics and other cars go to die. Porsche values are rock bottom in the USA. It's sad really. I can't even bare to look at the Autotrader online to see what they go for. Ever seen what a 996 costs in Thailand, Japan, Switzerland, Hong Kong, or China? Still up in the $40k to $60k range for a narrow body. Sometimes more. 996 turbo? You'd need $80k in your pocket just to get a test drive. Any Australian members want to chime in and let us know how much you paid for your car?
I suppose living in the USA is a blessing and a curse when it comes to Porsche ownership. You can buy it cheaply, but you're also going to sell it cheaply, and they are EVERYWHERE, which brings the value down further.
Yes, labor in this country is cheap, but HIGH END, skilled, specialist labor is not cheap. There's a difference between banging out a fender and making an entire front end fit flawlessly. The people with the skills charge accordingly, no matter where you are in the world. I'm American, and I lived in America for 24 years. Truly the only place on earth where a used Porsche 911 costs less than a new Honda Civic.
I suppose living in the USA is a blessing and a curse when it comes to Porsche ownership. You can buy it cheaply, but you're also going to sell it cheaply, and they are EVERYWHERE, which brings the value down further.
Yes, labor in this country is cheap, but HIGH END, skilled, specialist labor is not cheap. There's a difference between banging out a fender and making an entire front end fit flawlessly. The people with the skills charge accordingly, no matter where you are in the world. I'm American, and I lived in America for 24 years. Truly the only place on earth where a used Porsche 911 costs less than a new Honda Civic.
#25
someone from one of the aftermarket wheel companies did this a few year ago for a Mobil 1 advertisement. The work was excellent. The only thing that tipped you off in the ad that the car was originally a 996 were the door handles. The car was green.
#26
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/9...onversion.html
#27
upgrading cars is never financially logical.
But the thing I like about that car is that it doesn't come with a 997 interior.
I might be in the minority, but in quality materials like CF, the old interior has a minimalist style that is absent in all the newer Carreras. I prefer something that reminds me of a classic 911 instead of the interior of a Cayenne.
p.s.
it may have been expensive but that bodywork was first rate. Excllent color.
But the thing I like about that car is that it doesn't come with a 997 interior.
I might be in the minority, but in quality materials like CF, the old interior has a minimalist style that is absent in all the newer Carreras. I prefer something that reminds me of a classic 911 instead of the interior of a Cayenne.
p.s.
it may have been expensive but that bodywork was first rate. Excllent color.
#29
Turbo's are even harder to find and of course a lot more expensive to buy.
Cheapest 911 996 on sale in Portugal right now is a 1998 C2 with 170.000 miles on the clock, being sold for 26.650 USD (20.000€).
So if a replacement engine is needed, it's still reasonable to do it for 20.000 USD at the OPC, as the car's value is at least 3x the cost of the engine.
CS.