*UPDATE: NOT IMS FAILURE!! ** Imminent IMS Failure? HELP! (With Video)
08-07-2011, 01:42 AM
#17
Rennlist Member
Hopefully that quick action prob saved your motor, and pretty lucky you were in your garage. When you made the purchase a month ago did you do a PPI ? An '02 with 52K on the clock seems like it was driven well for a cab in your area, did the previous owner store during winter ? I see that you're on the list for the IMS Guardian, and drove your car knowing the worst thing for the IMS is to sit and veg in the garage.....well your situation awareness and luck may take some of the sting out. Best Wishes.
08-07-2011, 10:04 AM
#18
Racer
Well it goes something like this..... the OP purchased the car a little over a month ago....at the height of the IMS plague with the future promise of an antibiotic soon to be released by the Lab. At this point you must engage your imagination and use the term PPI generically and expand it to include any sights, smells, sounds of any organic material emitting from the RMS/IMS area. coupled with a oil change and necropsy of the oil filter. Granted, still a shot in the dark but better than the fingers in the crossed position.
08-07-2011, 11:54 AM
#19
Rennlist Member
08-07-2011, 12:32 PM
#20
Drifting
That is the same noise I experienced when my IMS failed. The only difference is that once I shut the motor down, oil started to spill onto the garage floor.
08-07-2011, 01:48 PM
#21
Three Wheelin'
As others have suggested, if you haven't already, pull the oil filter and inspect for metal. You will only lose a small amount of oil that was in and around the filter.
I would think there should be some debris (black plastic/metal etc) in the filter if you are having this type of internal engine issue.
I would think there should be some debris (black plastic/metal etc) in the filter if you are having this type of internal engine issue.
08-19-2011, 11:48 AM
#22
Instructor
Thread Starter
I'd just like to update everyone on this thread.
It WAS NOT THE IMS BEARING!!!!!!! (Thank G-d)
I had spoken with Jake Raby on the phone and he and I both agreed that this is definitely the "death rattle". Thankfully it was not.
I had my 996 flatbedded to ROCS Auto in Belleville for perform the IMS retrofit (or resuscitation for my engine).
I did not have the knowledge or the tools to pull the oil filter myself, and since it was almost dead obvious that this was the IMS death rattle, I did not want to any chances starting the car again. I had Rich perform the IMS retrofit anyways to prevent any further scare.
He pulled the oil filter and there was ZERO bits of metal. Nothing. Zero.
Upon dropping the transmission, he inspected the IMS flange as attached.
He noticed some light leaking, but the bearing has not yet broken. He noted that the seal has broken and oil had begun seeping through, and obviously, it was only a matter of time before catastrophic failure. I brought the car in at the perfect time!
I still don't know exactly what the rattling was from (as I asked Rich to under no circumstances to start the car until the IMS has been replaced), but it is gone. For anyone who might be interested, the following work was done. I also highlighted it in another thread regarding some noises my car was making.
This information may be helpful to some in the event that someone may need to do the same:
- LNE IMS Retrofit Performed
- All 6 Coil Packs and Spark Plugs Replaced
- AOS Replaced
- Front Crankshaft Seal Replaced - (The seal was found pushed in and leaking. Rich noticed that this was due to a piece of an old fan belt being lodged behind the crankshaft pulley putting pressure on this seal)
- The Clutch Release Arm, Clutch Slave Cylinder, Other Various Bolts etc. were replaced. Also replaced the old clutch kit with a new Sachs Clutch Kit.
- Rear Main Seal (997 Update)
- 4-6 Timing Chain Tensioner
- Oil Change
Hope the info above helps someone out.
Thanks again.
Alan
It WAS NOT THE IMS BEARING!!!!!!! (Thank G-d)
I had spoken with Jake Raby on the phone and he and I both agreed that this is definitely the "death rattle". Thankfully it was not.
I had my 996 flatbedded to ROCS Auto in Belleville for perform the IMS retrofit (or resuscitation for my engine).
I did not have the knowledge or the tools to pull the oil filter myself, and since it was almost dead obvious that this was the IMS death rattle, I did not want to any chances starting the car again. I had Rich perform the IMS retrofit anyways to prevent any further scare.
He pulled the oil filter and there was ZERO bits of metal. Nothing. Zero.
Upon dropping the transmission, he inspected the IMS flange as attached.
He noticed some light leaking, but the bearing has not yet broken. He noted that the seal has broken and oil had begun seeping through, and obviously, it was only a matter of time before catastrophic failure. I brought the car in at the perfect time!
I still don't know exactly what the rattling was from (as I asked Rich to under no circumstances to start the car until the IMS has been replaced), but it is gone. For anyone who might be interested, the following work was done. I also highlighted it in another thread regarding some noises my car was making.
This information may be helpful to some in the event that someone may need to do the same:
- LNE IMS Retrofit Performed
- All 6 Coil Packs and Spark Plugs Replaced
- AOS Replaced
- Front Crankshaft Seal Replaced - (The seal was found pushed in and leaking. Rich noticed that this was due to a piece of an old fan belt being lodged behind the crankshaft pulley putting pressure on this seal)
- The Clutch Release Arm, Clutch Slave Cylinder, Other Various Bolts etc. were replaced. Also replaced the old clutch kit with a new Sachs Clutch Kit.
- Rear Main Seal (997 Update)
- 4-6 Timing Chain Tensioner
- Oil Change
Hope the info above helps someone out.
Thanks again.
Alan
08-19-2011, 12:32 PM
#23
Three Wheelin'
I'd just like to update everyone on this thread.
It WAS NOT THE IMS BEARING!!!!!!! (Thank G-d)
I had spoken with Jake Raby on the phone and he and I both agreed that this is definitely the "death rattle". Thankfully it was not.
I had my 996 flatbedded to ROCS Auto in Belleville for perform the IMS retrofit (or resuscitation for my engine).
I did not have the knowledge or the tools to pull the oil filter myself, and since it was almost dead obvious that this was the IMS death rattle, I did not want to any chances starting the car again. I had Rich perform the IMS retrofit anyways to prevent any further scare.
He pulled the oil filter and there was ZERO bits of metal. Nothing. Zero.
Upon dropping the transmission, he inspected the IMS flange as attached.
He noticed some light leaking, but the bearing has not yet broken. He noted that the seal has broken and oil had begun seeping through, and obviously, it was only a matter of time before catastrophic failure. I brought the car in at the perfect time!
I still don't know exactly what the rattling was from (as I asked Rich to under no circumstances to start the car until the IMS has been replaced), but it is gone. For anyone who might be interested, the following work was done. I also highlighted it in another thread regarding some noises my car was making.
This information may be helpful to some in the event that someone may need to do the same:
- LNE IMS Retrofit Performed
- All 6 Coil Packs and Spark Plugs Replaced
- AOS Replaced
- Front Crankshaft Seal Replaced - (The seal was found pushed in and leaking. Rich noticed that this was due to a piece of an old fan belt being lodged behind the crankshaft pulley putting pressure on this seal)
- The Clutch Release Arm, Clutch Slave Cylinder, Other Various Bolts etc. were replaced. Also replaced the old clutch kit with a new Sachs Clutch Kit.
- Rear Main Seal (997 Update)
- 4-6 Timing Chain Tensioner
- Oil Change
Hope the info above helps someone out.
Thanks again.
Alan
It WAS NOT THE IMS BEARING!!!!!!! (Thank G-d)
I had spoken with Jake Raby on the phone and he and I both agreed that this is definitely the "death rattle". Thankfully it was not.
I had my 996 flatbedded to ROCS Auto in Belleville for perform the IMS retrofit (or resuscitation for my engine).
I did not have the knowledge or the tools to pull the oil filter myself, and since it was almost dead obvious that this was the IMS death rattle, I did not want to any chances starting the car again. I had Rich perform the IMS retrofit anyways to prevent any further scare.
He pulled the oil filter and there was ZERO bits of metal. Nothing. Zero.
Upon dropping the transmission, he inspected the IMS flange as attached.
He noticed some light leaking, but the bearing has not yet broken. He noted that the seal has broken and oil had begun seeping through, and obviously, it was only a matter of time before catastrophic failure. I brought the car in at the perfect time!
I still don't know exactly what the rattling was from (as I asked Rich to under no circumstances to start the car until the IMS has been replaced), but it is gone. For anyone who might be interested, the following work was done. I also highlighted it in another thread regarding some noises my car was making.
This information may be helpful to some in the event that someone may need to do the same:
- LNE IMS Retrofit Performed
- All 6 Coil Packs and Spark Plugs Replaced
- AOS Replaced
- Front Crankshaft Seal Replaced - (The seal was found pushed in and leaking. Rich noticed that this was due to a piece of an old fan belt being lodged behind the crankshaft pulley putting pressure on this seal)
- The Clutch Release Arm, Clutch Slave Cylinder, Other Various Bolts etc. were replaced. Also replaced the old clutch kit with a new Sachs Clutch Kit.
- Rear Main Seal (997 Update)
- 4-6 Timing Chain Tensioner
- Oil Change
Hope the info above helps someone out.
Thanks again.
Alan
How does the car drive now? I bet it's all
08-19-2011, 12:44 PM
#24
Rennlist Member
Congratulations! In Baseball fans often say "good eye" I guess in this instance "good ear" is appropriate! 
08-19-2011, 01:41 PM
#26
Sweet Moses! That must have been a hell of a bill. Glad everything worked our for you. Why didn't he replace the 1-3 chain tensioner? Not that you have to but seems to make sense. You can replace it later without taking the trans down but I would have for good measure.
How does the car drive now? I bet it's all
How does the car drive now? I bet it's all
4-6 on the other hand had wear and was replaced.
Best
Rich
08-19-2011, 02:33 PM
#28
The advantage of the IMS retrofit is largely preventive maintenance.
When Alan first sent me the video, I too agreed, just like Jake, that is sounded like the death rattle. Once it arrived and we inspected it we knew it wasn't. Alan wisely chose to do the IMS as preventive maintenance.
As for the source of his noise(s), bent clutch fork which in turn beat up the pressure plate/bearing.
Rich
08-19-2011, 02:38 PM
#29
Instructor
Thread Starter
Andy,here is a pic.
The advantage of the IMS retrofit is largely preventive maintenance.
When Alan first sent me the video, I too agreed, just like Jake, that is sounded like the death rattle. Once it arrived and we inspected it we knew it wasn't. Alan wisely chose to do the IMS as preventive maintenance.
As for the source of his noise(s), bent clutch fork which in turn beat up the pressure plate/bearing.
Rich
The advantage of the IMS retrofit is largely preventive maintenance.
When Alan first sent me the video, I too agreed, just like Jake, that is sounded like the death rattle. Once it arrived and we inspected it we knew it wasn't. Alan wisely chose to do the IMS as preventive maintenance.
As for the source of his noise(s), bent clutch fork which in turn beat up the pressure plate/bearing.
Rich