OT: Drive safely out there
05-05-2008, 05:17 PM
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05-05-2008, 05:25 PM
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05-05-2008, 05:37 PM
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C'mon, Ben. Where's the new you? We're not speaking ill of the dead here. I agree, it may have been a mechanical failure, a blown tire, a bad pothole, a deep puddle, avoiding a rabbit,.....who the heck really knows?
Anyway, if it was speeding in a straight 4 lane road, a very common occurrence for me and for a lot of us, you realy have to be going much more than 45-55 mph to lose control in a Boxster in the absence of any other factor.
This is more of a plea, a reminder, to drive safe on the road. We can all die anytime from a bolt of lightning, or from driving too fast on the street.
Anyway, if it was speeding in a straight 4 lane road, a very common occurrence for me and for a lot of us, you realy have to be going much more than 45-55 mph to lose control in a Boxster in the absence of any other factor.
This is more of a plea, a reminder, to drive safe on the road. We can all die anytime from a bolt of lightning, or from driving too fast on the street.
05-05-2008, 05:44 PM
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palting what does this have to do with new or old ben? wtf does it matter if he was going much faster than above legal limits? no one knows how fast hte dude was going or how he lost control.
but a car heading at 55mph hitting another car head on is going to do a lot of damage so for el torr to come in here and speculate is a wtf statement.
i never said anything about anyone saying anything ill about anyone else. i'm just sharing a local story that hit close to home because i have family who lives on that same road and drives a silver porsche.
but a car heading at 55mph hitting another car head on is going to do a lot of damage so for el torr to come in here and speculate is a wtf statement.
i never said anything about anyone saying anything ill about anyone else. i'm just sharing a local story that hit close to home because i have family who lives on that same road and drives a silver porsche.
05-05-2008, 05:55 PM
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There are a lot of assumptions being made in this thread on very few details.
As others have said any number of things could have caused a loss of control.
As others have said any number of things could have caused a loss of control.
05-05-2008, 06:22 PM
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I'm not arguing or hairsplitting. I'm just saying 55 in a 40 really isn't anything. He was probably doing 90 or something crazy. If he was going 55 he must have been driving with his eyes closed, because it just isn't fast enough to cause complete loss of control - especially in a boxster. I think I go 15 over the limit every day of my life, and it's not fast enough to be unable to brake, turn, or evade an obstacle in the road.
05-05-2008, 06:28 PM
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05-05-2008, 07:04 PM
#25
Three Wheelin'
Honesty after years and years of driving Angeles Crest I've finally said no more., I have my reasons:
One of the chief temptations of sportbikes or sportscars on ostensibly deserted roads is to start taking a racing line. If you haven't been there, it's mountain on one side, cliff on the other, one lane in either direction, mile after mile of beautiful esses, but littered with big rocks, patches of ice, bicyclists, etc. On Angeles Crest and other similar mountain roads in the middle of a weekday you have nothing but serious iron, and everyone is driving way too fast, but in both directions. The number of near misses over the years, bikes hanging way out coming at you and cars trying to drift through many of the turns and coming sideways through both lanes, finally was crystallized for me when a friend, an auto journalist from Japan, crashed her personal Exige S a few weeks ago trying to evade an oncoming car. Total loss, inches from tumbling down a cliff. I felt particularly awful because I promised to go up there with her. No more Crest for me.
The reason I write about this is I see it a lot late at night, people taking racing lines or at least severely overrunning center lines. If it wasn't DUI, it might have just been someone doing something unsafe.
NYC is another issue entirely. I've been driving here for 14 years without a crash of my own (was hit and run once while parked though!), but have been in several taxicab crashes, never anyone hurt, and a couple of friend's crashes as a passenger. I feel like the biggest issue is that everyone thinks they can be the crazy guy, the 4 lane cut off guy. When twenty people try to change 3 lanes without signalling simultaneously, one of them will drive right into someone in his blindspot, or some poor schmuck eventually will drive straight into one of the hotshots. Happens a lot. I feel like I have a near miss at least once a week when someone just doesn't see me. Might be a good argument for speed yellow, but then all the cabs are yellow, and that's not working out to well for them. Arena Red still an option?
By the way, that Arena Red got me thinking, saw a nice Aston V8 at a post office in NJ today.
One of the chief temptations of sportbikes or sportscars on ostensibly deserted roads is to start taking a racing line. If you haven't been there, it's mountain on one side, cliff on the other, one lane in either direction, mile after mile of beautiful esses, but littered with big rocks, patches of ice, bicyclists, etc. On Angeles Crest and other similar mountain roads in the middle of a weekday you have nothing but serious iron, and everyone is driving way too fast, but in both directions. The number of near misses over the years, bikes hanging way out coming at you and cars trying to drift through many of the turns and coming sideways through both lanes, finally was crystallized for me when a friend, an auto journalist from Japan, crashed her personal Exige S a few weeks ago trying to evade an oncoming car. Total loss, inches from tumbling down a cliff. I felt particularly awful because I promised to go up there with her. No more Crest for me.
The reason I write about this is I see it a lot late at night, people taking racing lines or at least severely overrunning center lines. If it wasn't DUI, it might have just been someone doing something unsafe.
NYC is another issue entirely. I've been driving here for 14 years without a crash of my own (was hit and run once while parked though!), but have been in several taxicab crashes, never anyone hurt, and a couple of friend's crashes as a passenger. I feel like the biggest issue is that everyone thinks they can be the crazy guy, the 4 lane cut off guy. When twenty people try to change 3 lanes without signalling simultaneously, one of them will drive right into someone in his blindspot, or some poor schmuck eventually will drive straight into one of the hotshots. Happens a lot. I feel like I have a near miss at least once a week when someone just doesn't see me. Might be a good argument for speed yellow, but then all the cabs are yellow, and that's not working out to well for them. Arena Red still an option?
By the way, that Arena Red got me thinking, saw a nice Aston V8 at a post office in NJ today.
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05-05-2008, 07:12 PM
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As we don't know what happened as yet, anything is speculation.
I use that road a lot, in fact on Sunday morning, it's a city street with limits and sometimes with speed traps, isn't straight and the collision looks like it occured where the road not only has a bend but a warning sign to reduce speed.
I use that road a lot, in fact on Sunday morning, it's a city street with limits and sometimes with speed traps, isn't straight and the collision looks like it occured where the road not only has a bend but a warning sign to reduce speed.
05-05-2008, 07:33 PM
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This happened in front of where we keep a boat. This was a city surface road. It was a few yards south of a little right bend in the road. Zero chance he was doing 90.
I'm not arguing or hairsplitting. I'm just saying 55 in a 40 really isn't anything. He was probably doing 90 or something crazy. If he was going 55 he must have been driving with his eyes closed, because it just isn't fast enough to cause complete loss of control - especially in a boxster. I think I go 15 over the limit every day of my life, and it's not fast enough to be unable to brake, turn, or evade an obstacle in the road.
05-05-2008, 08:35 PM
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Three Wheelin'
I don't keep a digital camera with me much anymore, although I can upload a few that I never posted from LA. A few friends owe me some pics as well, maybe next week I can get some aggregated. The new avatar pic there is actually from my Blackberry in front of the River Cafe in Brooklyn. Tried to go to Grimaldi's but th line was epic.