Considering 996TT - Advice?
01-20-2007, 09:55 PM
#18
Originally Posted by RXDOC
I sold my TT because I am not rich enough to absorb a $35K + engine replacement or $10-12k transmission. A clutch/flywheel job cost me $4650 at the dealership!!!!!!I was also concerned with insurance not covering a DE crash. I am going to buy a 996 or 986 I can track, abuse and walk away from, if needed.
Have NEVER heard anyone needing a TT engine replaced. Have only heard of ONE engine needing rebuilding......after 150k hard miles. You are FAR more likely to blow a $10k NA motor (GT3 exepted....Mr Dell
) than need a $15k TT engine rebuild.A transmission rebuild is $5k (friend of mine had it done). BTW, another poster said the '01 was the pop-out problem child.......but it appears '02 and '03 have more issues here from the unofficial polls on this and other sites.
Going to the dealer for anything simple that an indy shop can do (clutch/flywheel) is a poor use of $$$. The LWFW kit I assume the poster is referring to is $1900 plus $1000 for labor (10 hours).
And if you are tracking your rig taking a hit on the boost bong exiting corners is most awesome
01-20-2007, 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by wross996tt
Agreed, so where do you put the 2WD GT2?
I've never driven one, but after driving a TT I'll bet that's one hell of a ride!!
01-21-2007, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Shark
Want to clear up some mis-information.
Have NEVER heard anyone needing a TT engine replaced. Have only heard of ONE engine needing rebuilding......after 150k hard miles. You are FAR more likely to blow a $10k NA motor (GT3 exepted....Mr Dell ) than need a $15k TT engine rebuild.
A transmission rebuild is $5k (friend of mine had it done). BTW, another poster said the '01 was the pop-out problem child.......but it appears '02 and '03 have more issues here from the unofficial polls on this and other sites.
Going to the dealer for anything simple that an indy shop can do (clutch/flywheel) is a poor use of $$$. The LWFW kit I assume the poster is referring to is $1900 plus $1000 for labor (10 hours).
And if you are tracking your rig taking a hit on the boost bong exiting corners is most awesome
Have NEVER heard anyone needing a TT engine replaced. Have only heard of ONE engine needing rebuilding......after 150k hard miles. You are FAR more likely to blow a $10k NA motor (GT3 exepted....Mr Dell
) than need a $15k TT engine rebuild.A transmission rebuild is $5k (friend of mine had it done). BTW, another poster said the '01 was the pop-out problem child.......but it appears '02 and '03 have more issues here from the unofficial polls on this and other sites.
Going to the dealer for anything simple that an indy shop can do (clutch/flywheel) is a poor use of $$$. The LWFW kit I assume the poster is referring to is $1900 plus $1000 for labor (10 hours).
And if you are tracking your rig taking a hit on the boost bong exiting corners is most awesome
01-21-2007, 03:01 PM
#21
Burning Brakes
The real question is how do you plan on driving it? Daily driver with lots of miles? Weekend driver? Garage Queen? DE car?
For me, I put 100 miles a day on my 996...its a daily driver...A TT in my opinion would not be a good car for me. The upkeep on it would be more expensive, the value would drop a larger percentage for the mileage, and for a daily driver, I didnt need more than 300hp....A good M96 engine is designed to give you 200k+ miles....a magazine cracked one open with 100k miles on it and the inside looked NEW. They were amazed. I have 122k miles on mine now...bought it at 45k, engine replaced under warranty at 60k....new engine is STRONG and runs perfectly....I imagine this will last me some years...and when it goes, new engines will probably be about 6-8k installed...then drop in a new one and i will be good for another 4-5 years....If I were to buy a weekend Porsche...it would be a GT3....If you dont plan on putting LOTS of miles on it...then a TT may be a good car for you....or if money isnt an issue. Not that a TT isnt reliable...but the replacement and parts cost isnt cheap. By the way on 2 Porsche one 986, one 996 no RMS on either....986 was sold with 75k miles and NO issues....in my opinion the M96 engine is very reliable....I have seen Boxsters with 160k+ miles on the original engine.
For me, I put 100 miles a day on my 996...its a daily driver...A TT in my opinion would not be a good car for me. The upkeep on it would be more expensive, the value would drop a larger percentage for the mileage, and for a daily driver, I didnt need more than 300hp....A good M96 engine is designed to give you 200k+ miles....a magazine cracked one open with 100k miles on it and the inside looked NEW. They were amazed. I have 122k miles on mine now...bought it at 45k, engine replaced under warranty at 60k....new engine is STRONG and runs perfectly....I imagine this will last me some years...and when it goes, new engines will probably be about 6-8k installed...then drop in a new one and i will be good for another 4-5 years....If I were to buy a weekend Porsche...it would be a GT3....If you dont plan on putting LOTS of miles on it...then a TT may be a good car for you....or if money isnt an issue. Not that a TT isnt reliable...but the replacement and parts cost isnt cheap. By the way on 2 Porsche one 986, one 996 no RMS on either....986 was sold with 75k miles and NO issues....in my opinion the M96 engine is very reliable....I have seen Boxsters with 160k+ miles on the original engine.
Originally Posted by cohare
I posted over on the Turbo forum too, just wanted to see what the NA folks say:
So, I currently own a 99 c2 aero and I really enjoy it. So far I have upgraded it with 19" carrera S wheels, PSE, intake and Navigation but it still has left me wanting a little more power and all wheel drive for the wet and snow we occasionally get here in Maryland.
I am aware of the RMS issues and grenading engines associated with the 996 NA but are their anythings I should be aware of with the TT HONESTLY?
For example - rebuilding turbos (what mileage), expensive maintence items, things to look for in a used 01-02 TT with 30K (I heard about the 2nd gear pop out), what about the over rev?
Thanks for all of your help as I am very new to the 996TT world!
So, I currently own a 99 c2 aero and I really enjoy it. So far I have upgraded it with 19" carrera S wheels, PSE, intake and Navigation but it still has left me wanting a little more power and all wheel drive for the wet and snow we occasionally get here in Maryland.
I am aware of the RMS issues and grenading engines associated with the 996 NA but are their anythings I should be aware of with the TT HONESTLY?
For example - rebuilding turbos (what mileage), expensive maintence items, things to look for in a used 01-02 TT with 30K (I heard about the 2nd gear pop out), what about the over rev?
Thanks for all of your help as I am very new to the 996TT world!
01-21-2007, 06:37 PM
#22
The new M96 engines are a lot better, but per the tech section of PCA.org, even the NA 997 is seeing RMS/engine issues. That being said, I think the TT is a better engine (GT1 based, as is the GT3). The GT3 is too raw for me for a day to day car. The TT is just perfect...as I wanted AWD.
Since the engine doesn't go up, I see plugs at 30k versus 60k as the major difference....2 hours for my mechanic every 2-3 years. Car was 5k more than a C4S...so for me, it was a no brainer to go with the turbo.
Everyone has their decision tree...mine went to the Turbo.
The turbo I got had full leather, wood, pcm nav, hollow spokes, better brakes and suspension...etc. It was worth it for me.
JB
Since the engine doesn't go up, I see plugs at 30k versus 60k as the major difference....2 hours for my mechanic every 2-3 years. Car was 5k more than a C4S...so for me, it was a no brainer to go with the turbo.
Everyone has their decision tree...mine went to the Turbo.
The turbo I got had full leather, wood, pcm nav, hollow spokes, better brakes and suspension...etc. It was worth it for me.
JB
01-21-2007, 07:44 PM
#23
Originally Posted by RXDOC
NONE of what I said was "misinformation". I didn't say the engines "blow up". But if they do, they are $32K to replace (as per Jim Ellis Porsche). I didn't say you can't get the transmission done for less. I was saying what the dealer charges. I am sure a shade tree mechanic can do it for much less. Hey, it's your car take it where you want. I paid $4650 for clutch replacement, that is a fact, again if you can do it fo $2k that is great. I was just stating facts, not misinformation. Please read carefully.
Already you've given a $3k+ reduction in an engine replacement, which as I said would not be done if it can be rebuilt (which the vast majority can....see the example of the past 30 fricken years), unlike the NA wet sump engines.I'm not talking about a shadetree mechanic transmission rebuild....I'm talking about a transmission specialist....who is way more knowledgable than a dealer tech.
And you mis-read the cost of a good indy shop clutch/LWFW parts/labor installation......it is $3k, not $2k.
You can buy or sell any car you want, but please don't mis-lead people with these astronomical costs that no one with half an ounce of common sense would pay....you want $35k engine replacements and $12k transmissions.....Ferrari has just the car for you.
