bowmanm98

http://e-partssales.com/Merchant2/me...tegory_Code=WS

Good price on it too. How hard is the install?

I may get this piece. Is it simply drain the oil and replace this piece?

Will this help with oil passing by the cylinders and the white cloud of smoke at startup after racing?

Does it come with the gasket?

ltc

Have you considered the Brey Krause part:
http://www.bkauto.com/porsche/r9095.php

Update: the R-9095 has been approved by the Porsche Club of America for use in PCA club racing Stock and Prepared class cars

Scavenging and aeration in the oil pan have been identified as a problem in 996 and Boxster models experiencing high G-forces on the racetrack. The R-9095 oil pan spacer provides a simple solution. This spacer increases sump capacity by half a quart, providing more reserve to ward off starvation.

The R-9095 kit clears all factory options including the rear skid plate. Added oil capacities as well as increased oil pan surface area increase oil cooling and engine performance.

*Oil pan and sump baffle are OEM parts and do not need to be purchased
Material: 6061 T6 Aluminum Alloy
Finish: Clear Anodized
Weight: N/A
Models: Boxster, Boxster S, and 996 models (excludes GT3 and turbocharged models)
Installation: For best results internal baffle passages should be modified. Modification instructions included in the kit.
Miscellaneous: Spacer adds .5 U.S. quarts to oil pan volume and improves internal baffling system. Extension bolts included in the kit.

IMHO, it's a better designed/manufactured solution than the Suncoast one you listed

NOTE: This will not fit a Turbo, Turbo S, GT2, GT3
(translation: thank God for the M64 GT1 derived dry sump motor)

bnewport

Hasn't the BK thing been shown not to work? That merely adding extra oil doesn't help with starvation?

ltc

I wasn't aware of reports of it not working.
The installation instructions
http://www.bkauto.com/porsche/instructions/R9095.pdf
detail the modification of the sump baffle....perhaps if you don't modify the sump baffle (which appears to be the intent of the design of the Suncoast part) then it's simply as you stated, an extra half qt of oil.
I've talked with a couple of people last year at the track who installed the BK part.
Since it's PCA Club Racing approved, perhaps you could contact PCA Club Racing and see if they have any additional info?

Alan C.

There is also the motorsport mod to the head which as I recall is for high g's under braking.

earlyapex

What do the Grand Am Cup cars run?

Alan C.

They don't run our engines.

Bill_C4S

My understanding was that the Grand Am cars are running the M97 engines.

Sure you're not confusing GT3 Supercup with Grand Am?

Ray S

Not true. ALMS does not run our engines, they use GT3's. However, Grand Am Cup (to the best of my knowledge) use our "integrated dry sump" motors. (According to their rules competitors are allowed to modify the oil pan and pickup as well as use the accu-sump system.)

It would be interesting to see if those guys are actually using any oiling mods.

I think this "problem" is totally overblown. I have witnessed guys running 996's on slicks with no problems and I have never had any issues DE'ing my 986 on R compounds. If a big oil starvation problem existed you would see a groundswell of complaints flooding this board (think RMS). However, you just don't hear about "oil starvation" failures.

ltc

Some threads discussing this:
https://rennlist.com/forums/racing-and-drivers-education-forum/294881-996-vs-997-engine-track-longevity.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/racing-and-drivers-education-forum/258043-grand-am-cup-porsche-996-is-it-a-gt3.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/racing-and-drivers-education-forum/180776-grand-am-cup-gt-new-rules-gt3rs-vs-gt3-no-more-sgs.html

bowmanm98

You make a great point. It would be nice to know if they use accusump or not. Also things like strut tower braces etc. Is there anyone we can contact from a grand am cup team?

BTW I'm not saying there is a huge problem with oil starvation. But if this X51 kit keeps more oil across the whole engine wouldn't that be a good thing? I guess I titled my thread wrong.

Palting

It may be silly, but I'll say it anyway to make sure it is clear. This is only the oil pan and modified baffle, not the X51 kit. Not even sure if the pan and baffle by themselves really do any good. In theory, maybe, but in reality?

RayGT3

Go with the Accusump, less expensive and known to work. Used it for years with no problems.

JasonAndreas

From the links that Larry posted above.

blk on blk

If a base price 65k Vette can have a dry sump system as standard can someone please explain why out 911 does not. Then again if a 30k Mustang has the SSK as standard and outs does not maybe that is an indication of how they like to stick it in us. I still shake my head at the things that should be standard on a car of this heritage and cost that are not.